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Re: BIOS Updates for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.04) / CLASSIFIED (2.04)
2022/12/06 11:42:03
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Ask for ring voltage as well please. Can't believe we don't have that lol.
There is no such thing as 'ring voltage' or 'ecore voltage'. The ring voltage and ecore voltage is vcore, pure and simple. This is the way the chip is designed.
Cache voltage is 'L2 cache' voltage for the cache hanging off the ecore clusters.
That is it.
Correct. I had asked a friend to cap this as i'm in the office today, but here you go, guys:
So if I disable e cores for whatever reason (12900k) I won't have this option as the atom controls disappear. Again, asking for cache voltage. Also a cpu that doesn't have atom cores wouldn't ever have access to this.
I just checked z790 on asrock. It says cpu and cache are combined for vcore which is the same as it has been for .... Forever. It then also gives atom core voltage control and ring voltage mode.
So please.... Ring ratio voltage control please!!!!!
Also atom cores only have their own l2 cache this is not related to l3 cache as that's shared between all cores.
my friend, Jomama has already answered you up there. In the Asus bios screenshot up there, Cache SVID is on the same rail as vcore and is not considered when you have vcore set as shown in the image. so if you can explain your use case for needing it, i'll entertain your request as useful. you have vcore, and you have atom core vcore + cache voltages. this is more than sufficient. if it was useful for overclocking, it would be in the bios. but i'm willing to listen if you have an interesting use for it
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Re: BIOS Updates for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.04) / CLASSIFIED (2.04)
2022/12/06 12:43:52
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So if I disable e cores for whatever reason (12900k) I won't have this option as the atom controls disappear. Again, asking for cache voltage. Also a cpu that doesn't have atom cores wouldn't ever have access to this.
I just checked z790 on asrock. It says cpu and cache are combined for vcore which is the same as it has been for .... Forever. It then also gives atom core voltage control and ring voltage mode.
So please.... Ring ratio voltage control please!!!!!
Also atom cores only have their own l2 cache this is not related to l3 cache as that's shared between all cores.
I will say this to make it clear how it works: L2 is within the ecore clusters, it is what is tied to the ring for the ecores. It has its own voltage. If you disabled ecores, L2 voltage will do nothing and is not used or needed. E-cores, P-cores, Ring and L3 (called 'cache' by some vendors) are all powered by vcore. If each had a manual voltage mode, when you change that voltage you are changing vcore. Options for 'SVID' voltages are changing the requested voltage for that part. The way adl/rpl work is by checking each of those requested voltages (p-core, e-core, ring and cache) and providing the HIGHEST REQUESTED. So, p and e cores and cache could request 1.2v but ring requests 1.3v, then ALL OF THEM are getting 1.3v. That's it.
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Re: BIOS Updates for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.04) / CLASSIFIED (2.04)
2022/12/06 12:47:56
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Ask for ring voltage as well please. Can't believe we don't have that lol.
There is no such thing as 'ring voltage' or 'ecore voltage'. The ring voltage and ecore voltage is vcore, pure and simple. This is the way the chip is designed.
Cache voltage is 'L2 cache' voltage for the cache hanging off the ecore clusters.
That is it.
Correct. I had asked a friend to cap this as i'm in the office today, but here you go, guys:
So if I disable e cores for whatever reason (12900k) I won't have this option as the atom controls disappear. Again, asking for cache voltage. Also a cpu that doesn't have atom cores wouldn't ever have access to this.
I just checked z790 on asrock. It says cpu and cache are combined for vcore which is the same as it has been for .... Forever. It then also gives atom core voltage control and ring voltage mode.
So please.... Ring ratio voltage control please!!!!!
Also atom cores only have their own l2 cache this is not related to l3 cache as that's shared between all cores.
my friend, Jomama has already answered you up there. In the Asus bios screenshot up there, Cache SVID is on the same rail as vcore and is not considered when you have vcore set as shown in the image. so if you can explain your use case for needing it, i'll entertain your request as useful. you have vcore, and you have atom core vcore + cache voltages. this is more than sufficient. if it was useful for overclocking, it would be in the bios. but i'm willing to listen if you have an interesting use for it
Well I just have a 13700 not a 13900. I can only imagine the wattage wasted by having to use atom core override with 16 E cores. Not to mention E cores and ring have their own respective curves. Higher ring ratio drops ram latency so I'm baffled why this isn't considered as useful.
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Re: BIOS Updates for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.04) / CLASSIFIED (2.04)
2022/12/06 14:20:09
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So if I disable e cores for whatever reason (12900k) I won't have this option as the atom controls disappear. Again, asking for cache voltage. Also a cpu that doesn't have atom cores wouldn't ever have access to this.
I just checked z790 on asrock. It says cpu and cache are combined for vcore which is the same as it has been for .... Forever. It then also gives atom core voltage control and ring voltage mode.
So please.... Ring ratio voltage control please!!!!!
Also atom cores only have their own l2 cache this is not related to l3 cache as that's shared between all cores.
I will say this to make it clear how it works:
L2 is within the ecore clusters, it is what is tied to the ring for the ecores. It has its own voltage. If you disabled ecores, L2 voltage will do nothing and is not used or needed.
E-cores, P-cores, Ring and L3 (called 'cache' by some vendors) are all powered by vcore. If each had a manual voltage mode, when you change that voltage you are changing vcore.
Options for 'SVID' voltages are changing the requested voltage for that part. The way adl/rpl work is by checking each of those requested voltages (p-core, e-core, ring and cache) and providing the HIGHEST REQUESTED. So, p and e cores and cache could request 1.2v but ring requests 1.3v, then ALL OF THEM are getting 1.3v.
That's it.
Thanks for the explanation. I see why its on Asus, they have other added settings which aren't on evga though to make use of it, pointless for overclockers.
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Re: BIOS Updates for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.04) / CLASSIFIED (2.04)
2022/12/06 15:05:27
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Guys sorry for going a bit of topic here, but I've moved my windows 11 drive from an asus z690 extreme to this z690 dark and just noticed that memtweakit, asrock timing calculator and Thaiphoon burner don't work.
Memtweakit with only the about tab, asrock timing gives an access violation error and Thaiphoon says it is being blocked by antivirus but they all used to work without problems.
Could this be a windows installation problem?
TheAffxct are you from South Africa? I'm from Angola, and lived in Cape Town from 97-98, did my Std 9 and Matric there.
Thaiphoon Burner has to have SPD Write enabled in the BIOS just to read from SPD. You need the latest Thaiphoon Burner shareware version to read DDR5 SPD. If you have an aggressive anti-virus and did not have it turned off before launching Thaiphoon Burner, you may need to restore from quarantine and add an exception so it does not block it. Some anti-virus programs are ridiculously aggressive and block common things like CPU-Z and ThrottleStop that are not in any way a PUP or harmful. You need newer versions of MemTweakIt and ASRock Timing Configurator. I will upload the versions I have that work with the Z690 Dark and post a link. Back in a few with that. Edit: AsRock Timing Configurator and ASUS MemTweakIt
post edited by Mr. Fox - 2022/12/06 15:39:05
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Re: BIOS Updates for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.04) / CLASSIFIED (2.04)
2022/12/06 17:29:06
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Okay, so, my initial OC from before I attempted 2.04 was still having training issues and 32/64 grouped errors on individual cores were still popping up randomly. My deductions are that more normally dispersed errors are related to some timings being far too high, or a lack of voltage. These 32/64 grouped errors seem to be related to tertiaries and secondaries misfiring in sequence. I’ve since managed a pretty awful looking OC on 2.03. I checked IMC stability and apparently I need 1.35 SA and 1.4 TX now for 7400 reliability in memory controller stress tests, which is weird.
post edited by TheAffxct - 2022/12/06 17:31:19
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Re: BIOS Updates for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.04) / CLASSIFIED (2.04)
2022/12/07 00:07:01
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north bridge clock option on classified not working
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Re: BIOS Updates for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.04) / CLASSIFIED (2.04)
2022/12/07 00:13:26
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Try holding the CMOS reset for 90 seconds.
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Re: BIOS Updates for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.04) / CLASSIFIED (2.04)
2022/12/07 05:43:20
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Mr. Fox
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Guys sorry for going a bit of topic here, but I've moved my windows 11 drive from an asus z690 extreme to this z690 dark and just noticed that memtweakit, asrock timing calculator and Thaiphoon burner don't work.
Memtweakit with only the about tab, asrock timing gives an access violation error and Thaiphoon says it is being blocked by antivirus but they all used to work without problems.
Could this be a windows installation problem?
TheAffxct are you from South Africa? I'm from Angola, and lived in Cape Town from 97-98, did my Std 9 and Matric there.
Thaiphoon Burner has to have SPD Write enabled in the BIOS just to read from SPD. You need the latest Thaiphoon Burner shareware version to read DDR5 SPD. If you have an aggressive anti-virus and did not have it turned off before launching Thaiphoon Burner, you may need to restore from quarantine and add an exception so it does not block it. Some anti-virus programs are ridiculously aggressive and block common things like CPU-Z and ThrottleStop that are not in any way a PUP or harmful.
You need newer versions of MemTweakIt and ASRock Timing Configurator. I will upload the versions I have that work with the Z690 Dark and post a link. Back in a few with that.
Edit: AsRock Timing Configurator and ASUS MemTweakIt
Mr. Fox thanks! Tested and working 👍
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Re: BIOS Updates for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.04) / CLASSIFIED (2.04)
2022/12/07 07:44:55
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Mr. Fox thanks! Tested and working 👍
Awesome. You're welcome. 
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Re: BIOS Updates for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.04) / CLASSIFIED (2.04)
2022/12/07 15:03:37
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My 7600 cl 36 kit seems to run great with this bios. Only issue i'm having is the Ring ration wont set for some reason. I set my ring to x53 in bios, but its being reported at x45 when in Windows.
Same issue here. Seems like this firmware did not get adequate testing. Interesting the Vince and Luumi can provide overclock profiles but not identify these glaring functionality issues. Either they didn't give it due diligence, or EVGA did something to try to dumb things down for us peasants.
Vince, Luumi, Cens, and Biso are busy with finalizing the Z790 Dark KP. These issues will be addressed, post launch.
post edited by GregorysBrain - 2022/12/07 15:04:52
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Re: BIOS Updates for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.04) / CLASSIFIED (2.04)
2022/12/08 09:32:42
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Re: BIOS Updates for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.04) / CLASSIFIED (2.04)
2022/12/08 14:59:39
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