RaisingCain

 Ill punch myself in the face if you get a junk SKS!!

LAMO
 
The SKS is a great plinker but hardly a reliable work horse.  I have owned two and while they are cheap they have to many parts that have potential to fail.  And those plastic stocks R a MAJOR PITA to install.... well some are, can't vouch for all of them.  Trust me though $800 will get you a better rifle for sure.

lol he said $800 not $8000+

Has anyone ever told you guys your psychotic seriously Im amazed more of you don't die everyday due to the ridiculous types of weaponry you have available to you for ... What was it again home defense ?
 
What no hand grenades guys who knows you might be walking to your mailbox and need to take out a whole van of  highly trained nazi storm troopers with rocket launchers lol
 
Im sure there are people who live in down town Baghdad who think your a paranoid psychotic for owning such an arsenal.
I love guns I understand the interest but leave them at the gun club you don't need it man be serious.
 
 

S1N1STER

Darron

Has anyone ever told you guys your psychotic seriously Im amazed more of you don't die everyday due to the ridiculous types of weaponry you have available to you for ... What was it again home defense ?

Owning a gun doesn't automatically flip a switch in your head and make you want to run out and get in a shoot out (although some people would have you believe that). Every firearm I own is locked up in a gun safe and the primary use for my all my firearms is hunting (yes I even hunt with my AR-15).

@S1N1STER +1
@Darron... Have you hear of the 2nd amendment? BTW Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my weapons... Just a fact
Jim

I donno, it even scares me that you people own all these military grade weapons. You see, here in Canada people usually go hunting with .22 caliber civvy guns with no scopes or crossbows... except for those rednecks that go fishing with dynamite. I think I feel this way because I'm surrounded by so many crazies though.

Darron

Has anyone ever told you guys your psychotic seriously Im amazed more of you don't die everyday due to the ridiculous types of weaponry you have available to you for ... What was it again home defense ?

What no hand grenades guys who knows you might be walking to your mailbox and need to take out a whole van of  highly trained nazi storm troopers with rocket launchers lol

Im sure there are people who live in down town Baghdad who think your a paranoid psychotic for owning such an arsenal.
I love guns I understand the interest but leave them at the gun club you don't need it man be serious.

 
You will regret those words......
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
When the zombies come for you. 

All of the rifles mentioned have their advantages and disadvantages. In the long run it will depend on how you want to use it and how it feels to you but some positives and negatives:
 
AK47 and variants: (7.62 X39) very reliable, cheap surplus ammo available, medium recoil and 2nd shot control, inaccurate by its very nature, too much penetration for any urban setting, looks mean and gives a certain connotation about the owner (you can draw your own conclusion here), less expensive and best for plinking and varmint hunting.
AR15 and variants: (.223 or 5.56) reliable if you keep it clean, most surplus ammo is gone so a little more expensive to shoot, very light recoil and great multiple shot control, super accurate out to about 200 yds, not much penetration on most hard targets - good for for some situations, but do not expect to stop a car with it or reliably penetrate a car door without AP ammo, more expensive and best for target and possibly home defense (of the rifles) if you are convinced of the reliability.
M1A, M14, AR10, HK 91, Cetme: (7.62x51) very reliable, some cheap surplus ammo available, heavier recoil and slower follow-up shots, super accurate out to 500 yards, way too much penetration for urban settings unless you want to shoot through a car, more expensive. Of this whole group the best are the HK or the M1A but these rifles are not small and you will know it if you have to carry it all day. Best for target or hunting - home defense if you live in Afghanistan.
 
If you really want something for home defense nothing is better than a shotgun.
 
Good luck.

In all honesty bro the second amendment has NOTHING to do with hunting.  Our government in the US was built to have a balance of power.  The 2nd Amendment is one of those balances between Government and the People of the US.  The responsible civilian ownership of firearms is to protect ourselves from an oppressive government.  If that sounds radical to you the your missing the point of the very documents that protect your rights as a citizen.  Don't think that its JUST for protection of our own houses and sporting purposes.  Its for protection of our constitutional rights.
 
For the OP,  There is allot out there to choose from bro.  If you have a chance to try and test out as many of the rifles as you can.  I know some stores have ranges where you can rent guns to try them out.  For me its what ever can be adapted to the mission the easiest, or in simple terms what will fit you the most.  Have fun with your "shopping"!
 
 

Darron

S1N1STER

Darron

Has anyone ever told you guys your psychotic seriously Im amazed more of you don't die everyday due to the ridiculous types of weaponry you have available to you for ... What was it again home defense ?

Owning a gun doesn't automatically flip a switch in your head and make you want to run out and get in a shoot out (although some people would have you believe that). Every firearm I own is locked up in a gun safe and the primary use for my all my firearms is hunting (yes I even hunt with my AR-15).

There is a difference between a "gun" and multiple "guns" and furthermore when they are of the assault rifle category. Particularly when they combined could take out a small army you have to question the legitimacy of your claims or excuse for the reality you would ever need that level of firepower for home defense...  (Zombies excluded)

I wouldn't call it hunting the term hunting eludes to the requirement of some form of skill with a firearm.

tell me do you seriously think hunting is the term you would use for brandishing such a weapon in the woods?




Im my mind I think of hunting as a skillful art one in which the animal stands some chance of surviving the onslaught of a drunk crosseyed 4 year old something of which your weapon assures a kill.

 
This is what a hunting version of a AR-15 platform weapon looks like. http://www.remington.com/product-families/firearms/centerfire-families/autoloading-model-r-15.aspx   This rifle has a 5 to 10 round capacity. The gun you linked has a 10 to 1000 round capacity. Oh and a little history lesson hunting rifles were originally designed as military weapons. During WW1 most of the people drafted to fight were still using muzzle loaders at home and when they were in boot camp they were introduced to the Springfield M1903 30-06. When the war was over the troops came home and was looking for something along the lines of what they had used in the war and companies like Remington and Winchester saw this and started producing bolt action rifles based on the K98 mauser bolt. This type of thing is  not new if you look back in history you will find this is true with most weapons used in hunting. 
 
To the OP a Bushmaster AR-15 is a solid gun maker and I would recommend them because I own one.

An AR-15 Pistol is what I'm planning to do with one of my stripped lowers in the near future....   an possibly do the paper work to turn the other into a Class 3 SBR (Short Barrel Rifle "barrels less than 16").
 
Whats so great about ARs is they are like computers to me.  Once I learned how to build and customize them.... I just can't stop with just one.

I figure this is as good a place as any for my 1^st post. Have you thought about the AK74? You should be able to pick one up for less than $800 and ammo is still cheap (cheaper than .223). All the rifles mentioned are great for home defense and plinking on the range.
 
The AR-15 is a pretty damn fine rifle and there’s a reason our military still uses it after all these years. The best feature about them is that you can actually switch calibers in seconds. .223 isn’t a great round for hunting (and is illegal to use on large game in many states), but you can easily swap the upper receiver for a 6.8 or even a .22 for fun. I haven’t seen an AR in 7.62x39, but if you want a .308 you will have to buy that separate. Overall it’s a light rifle with loads of options for upgrades and accessories. I would suggest building if you go with this. Start with the lower (the only part that you need to fill out a 4473), and take a look at those Geissele triggers.
 
The AK-47 is a pretty sweet rifle as well. It has that rugged feel, as though its primitive but still powerful enough to compete with anything. They are durable but understand that any hardware can fail just like a computer part. Usually the springs are the 1^st to go. 7.62x39 is pretty cheap but not that accurate. You can customize them but they lose that primitive feeling and you’ll want another. Stay away from century clones (WASR), unless you want a cheap beater rifle, and don’t pay more than $400 for it.
 
If you want something fairly unique at the range you might want to look at the PTR-91. It’s a clone of the German G3A3. It has a big of the AK feel, although it’s a lot heavier, but also has the accuracy of .308. They can be upgraded and modified almost as much as an AR, but cost a little bit more. If you go this route stay away from the HESSE clones. I know they may be cheaper but HESSE/Blackthorn and whatever names they took in the past are HORRBLE companies whose owners should be burned alive for putting out such  products.
 
Also you might want to look back at purchasing a pistol if you can carry. I don’t know NC’s laws but if you’re old enough to conceal carry or have the option to open carry it’s a really great idea. Get a good holster if you want to carry though, not some cheap $5 piece of cloth.
 
Anyways I hope this helped you make a decision and if you have any questions feel free to “shoot” me and email.  
 

Just wait till Oct and buy a copy of BF3

AK-47 is > then AR-15, end of discussion. If you want to have a constructive agrument over this fact, go for it
 
 
BTW I own two of both the AK-47 and the AR-15, along with about 24 other handguns and rifles and have fire and used hundreds more
Heres a few of my videos I have uploaded via youtube - http://www.youtube.com/user/ZRK360?feature=mhee

Well I've already got an AK:
 

 
I'm about to pick up an AR here in the next few months. This is another one of those personal preference choices. Both AK and AR's are ridiculously easy to find parts/ammo for. I would say if you want accuracy or some type of long range shooting go with the AR. I've found it quite difficult to find a solid mount/sight/scope that does not move with my AK (Side Mount or Dust Cover Rail), so I always seem to be going back to the good 'ol iron sights. Needless to say both are fun to shoot and highly customizable. Good luck in your choice!

Alacran72, sweet collection. Thanks for the advice guys.