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Re:AMD Bulldozer Benchmark Leak from Donanimhaber
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is that for real 1.4 Vcore? Seems a bit high. But nice none the less wish the L3 was a bit bigger maybe 12mb?
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Re:AMD Bulldozer Benchmark Leak from Donanimhaber
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Crusheddream is that for real 1.4 Vcore? Seems a bit high. But nice none the less wish the L3 was a bit bigger maybe 12mb? B1 Engineer Sample...1.4 Volts is a cat walk for it...It can go up to 1.9Volts if you want to OC it under LN2 (Production sample might be lower volts but who knows) L3 is okay as it is it is meant for back up for the L2 L2 = 8MB(Total) L3 = 8MB vs Intel's LGA 2011 Roadmap CPUs L2 = 2MB(Total) L2 = 15 MB So, AMD has a faster L2 and a fast L3 for backup
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Re:AMD Bulldozer Benchmark Leak from Donanimhaber
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Just odd to see such a high Vcore :) oh well hopefully it gives atleast one of intels lines a run for their money maybe the higher end stuff will drop in price :)
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Re:AMD Bulldozer Benchmark Leak from Donanimhaber
2011/07/08 18:16:46
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Crusheddream Just odd to see such a high Vcore :) oh well hopefully it gives atleast one of intels lines a run for their money maybe the higher end stuff will drop in price :) Well this Engineer sample just absolute destroyed Intel I don't know any single core benchies that they did but in Multithread oh jeez This Engineer sample which has a much lower clock than that of Intel's 2600K bested the 2600K in x264 (1st pass and 2nd pass) Fritz Cinebench R10 All Multithreaded benchmarks and that is an Engineer Sample which AMD is scared scores would leak because Engineer Samples have awful quality
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Re:AMD Bulldozer Benchmark Leak from Donanimhaber
2011/07/08 19:23:09
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Do we have comparative numbers for Intel procs on those tests? Link? Thanks!
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Re:AMD Bulldozer Benchmark Leak from Donanimhaber
2011/07/08 19:39:06
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theGryphon Do we have comparative numbers for Intel procs on those tests? Link? Thanks!
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Re:AMD Bulldozer Benchmark Leak from Donanimhaber
2011/07/08 19:57:15
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Bulldozer Benches up Top ^^^^ my i7 980x Stock Results for x264.exe r1913
========================== Pass 1 ------ encoded 1442 frames, 155.35 fps, 3913.50 kb/s encoded 1442 frames, 155.10 fps, 3913.50 kb/s encoded 1442 frames, 155.35 fps, 3913.50 kb/s encoded 1442 frames, 156.40 fps, 3913.50 kb/s Pass 2 ------ encoded 1442 frames, 46.61 fps, 3954.95 kb/s encoded 1442 frames, 46.66 fps, 3956.14 kb/s encoded 1442 frames, 46.87 fps, 3955.58 kb/s encoded 1442 frames, 46.10 fps, 3955.64 kb/s Name Intel Nehalem Codename Specification Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU X 980 @ 3.33GHz Core Stepping B1 Technology 32 nm Stock frequency 3333 MHz Memory Type Memory Size 6136 MBytes Windows Version Microsoft Windows 7 (6.1) Home Premium Edition Service Pack 1 (Build 7601) Number of processors 1 Number of threads 12 Number of threads 12 (max 32) L2 cache 6 x 256 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size Instructions sets MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, SSE4.2, EM64T, VT-x, AES Package Socket 1366 LGA Hmmm amds bulldozer cache is faster than intel and my 6 core whoop 8 core bulldozer on pass 1 pretty good.
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Re:AMD Bulldozer Benchmark Leak from Donanimhaber
2011/07/08 20:02:44
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Well...while this is better than what I have been seeing, it still is no where near what amd claimed it would be... Originally they showed a chart beating 980x by a wide margin, then they said 50% over i7. This is what 15-20 at best? Not looking to great...but I guess if this is what the $320 Chip is supposed to be then it is priced about right, little more than 2600k but less than the 6 cores. Then again, according to the guy above me, it beats out a 980x in pass 2. Still be interesting to see some in game benches say with Metro 2033, BFBC2, 3dMark 11, ect.
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Re:AMD Bulldozer Benchmark Leak from Donanimhaber
2011/07/08 20:09:41
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Well...while this is better than what I have been seeing, it still is no where near what amd claimed it would be...
Originally they showed a chart beating 980x by a wide margin, then they said 50% over i7. This is what 15-20 at best? Not looking to great...but I guess if this is what the $320 Chip is supposed to be then it is priced about right, little more than 2600k but less than the 6 cores.
Then again, according to the guy above me, it beats out a 980x in pass 2.
Still be interesting to see some in game benches say with Metro 2033, BFBC2, 3dMark 11, ect.
nah the 980x beats the crap out of bulldozer on pass 2 bulldozer 45 980x 46
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Re:AMD Bulldozer Benchmark Leak from Donanimhaber
2011/07/08 20:13:33
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sengutso Bruno747 Well...while this is better than what I have been seeing, it still is no where near what amd claimed it would be... Originally they showed a chart beating 980x by a wide margin, then they said 50% over i7. This is what 15-20 at best? Not looking to great...but I guess if this is what the $320 Chip is supposed to be then it is priced about right, little more than 2600k but less than the 6 cores. Then again, according to the guy above me, it beats out a 980x in pass 2. Still be interesting to see some in game benches say with Metro 2033, BFBC2, 3dMark 11, ect. nah the 980x beats the crap out of bulldozer on pass 2 bulldozer 45 980x 46 Lol sorry, i read that backwards, my mistake 980 is still ahead of bulldozer on pass 2 albeit by a small amount...
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Re:AMD Bulldozer Benchmark Leak from Donanimhaber
2011/07/08 20:14:30
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980x stock ^^^^ Bulldozer just incase u cant see since the pic is small 980x Read Write Copy Latency L1 cache: Trial 53232 106411 1.2ns L2 cache: 35478 32226 41199 Trial Version L3 cache: 24713 15178 24674 Trial Version base on the test amd 8 core dont stand a chance amd's l2 and l3 cache are faster on paper lmao!
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Re:AMD Bulldozer Benchmark Leak from Donanimhaber
2011/07/08 20:24:16
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Bruno747 Well...while this is better than what I have been seeing, it still is no where near what amd claimed it would be... Originally they showed a chart beating 980x by a wide margin, then they said 50% over i7. This is what 15-20 at best? Not looking to great...but I guess if this is what the $320 Chip is supposed to be then it is priced about right, little more than 2600k but less than the 6 cores. Then again, according to the guy above me, it beats out a 980x in pass 2. Still be interesting to see some in game benches say with Metro 2033, BFBC2, 3dMark 11, ect. i7 950 not i7 980x It performing near 980x at below stock clocks is a pretty good deal I can't understand 3DMark 11 sengutso 980x stock ^^^^ Bulldozer just incase u cant see since the pic is small 980x Read Write Copy Latency L1 cache: Trial 53232 106411 1.2ns L2 cache: 35478 32226 41199 Trial Version L3 cache: 24713 15178 24674 Trial Version base on the test amd 8 core dont stand a chance amd's l2 and l3 cache are faster on paper lmao! The memory controller is still bugged out in B1 ES (L1 - L2 - L3 Memory Controller not the Memory controller for RAM) sengutso Bulldozer Benches up Top ^^^^ my i7 980x Stock Results for x264.exe r1913 ========================== Pass 1 ------ encoded 1442 frames, 155.35 fps, 3913.50 kb/s encoded 1442 frames, 155.10 fps, 3913.50 kb/s encoded 1442 frames, 155.35 fps, 3913.50 kb/s encoded 1442 frames, 156.40 fps, 3913.50 kb/s Pass 2 ------ encoded 1442 frames, 46.61 fps, 3954.95 kb/s encoded 1442 frames, 46.66 fps, 3956.14 kb/s encoded 1442 frames, 46.87 fps, 3955.58 kb/s encoded 1442 frames, 46.10 fps, 3955.64 kb/s Name Intel Nehalem Codename Specification Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU X 980 @ 3.33GHz Core Stepping B1 Technology 32 nm Stock frequency 3333 MHz Hmmm amds bulldozer cache is faster than intel and my 6 core whoop 8 core bulldozer on pass 1 pretty good. ES Zambezi 8C will get you the same 2nd pass performance, It's funny that your CPUs stepping is also B1
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Re:AMD Bulldozer Benchmark Leak from Donanimhaber
2011/07/08 20:30:06
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^^^ lol but u said amds cache is faster and why is it lagging on all test? im guessing if the memory controller is bugged out does it also affect the cpu's L1, L2 and L3 cache? base on the L cache test i7 980x destroyed bulldozer most of it.
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Re:AMD Bulldozer Benchmark Leak from Donanimhaber
2011/07/08 20:33:03
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sengutso ^^^ lol but u said amds cache is faster and why is it lagging on all test? im guessing if the memory controller is bugged out does it also affect the cpu's L1, L2 and L3 cache? base on the L cache test i7 980x destroyed bulldozer most of it. I said AMD has more cache not that it is faster The Memory Controller doesn't look out of whack(I did say memory controller, sorry but what do I call what controls L1 and L2 and L3) L1 and L2 have problems on writes but that could be a size issue (980x L1 3.0ns 8130P ES L1 1.0ns so technically it is faster) L3 has the most problems
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Re:AMD Bulldozer Benchmark Leak from Donanimhaber
2011/07/08 20:34:54
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^^^ lol but u said amds cache is faster and why is it lagging on all test? im guessing if the memory controller is bugged out does it also affect the cpu's L1, L2 and L3 cache? base on the L cache test i7 980x destroyed bulldozer most of it.
I said AMD has more cache not that it is faster
The Memory Controller doesn't look out of whack(I did say memory controller, sorry but what do I call what controls L1 and L2 and L3)
L1 and L2 have problems on writes but that could be a size/latency issue L3 has the most problems
well i guess we gotta wait for the final product and reviews for 320$ its a good deal though.
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Re:AMD Bulldozer Benchmark Leak from Donanimhaber
2011/07/08 20:40:01
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sengutso well i guess we gotta wait for the final product and reviews for 320$ its a good deal though. Don't be shocked if it is faster than your 980X when the reviews come out B1 ES High Yield to B2(Whatever they will call it) PS Acceptable Yield Will have a different clock speed, hopefully 8130P 3.2->3.6GHz(TC) to 3.8GHz->4.2GHz(TC) ^If the asus leaks are real A lot of the issues plaguing B1 will be fixed with the higher performing and more elegant fabrication process from high yield to acceptable yield
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Re:AMD Bulldozer Benchmark Leak from Donanimhaber
2011/07/08 20:41:39
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^^^ lol but u said amds cache is faster and why is it lagging on all test? im guessing if the memory controller is bugged out does it also affect the cpu's L1, L2 and L3 cache? base on the L cache test i7 980x destroyed bulldozer most of it.
(980x L1 3.0ns 8130P ES L1 1.0ns so technically it is faster) L3 has the most problems
lol 980x has 1.2 ns and bulldozer has ES has 1.0 ns and if it is faster how do u explain the read, write and copy which bulldozer got destroyed dont that count more than the latency? in real world performance those read,write and copy will come to play the most if not all the time.
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Re:AMD Bulldozer Benchmark Leak from Donanimhaber
2011/07/08 20:45:43
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sengutso seronx sengutso ^^^ lol but u said amds cache is faster and why is it lagging on all test? im guessing if the memory controller is bugged out does it also affect the cpu's L1, L2 and L3 cache? base on the L cache test i7 980x destroyed bulldozer most of it. (980x L1 3.0ns 8130P ES L1 1.0ns so technically it is faster) L3 has the most problems lol 980x has 1.2 ns and bulldozer has ES has 1.0 ns and if it is faster how do u explain the read, write and copy which bulldozer got destroyed dont that count more than the latency? in real world performance those read,write and copy will come to play the most if not all the time. It is an engineer sample it's not perfect yet so when the reviews come out with the final version we don't know anything To make it easier to understand engineering samples are beta samples Alpha Samples are shortly after they taped out aka (A1) Beta Samples is the maturing of the fabrication process (B0->B1) Final samples are what people get(B2) Final Revision Samples are for the people that can wait(C0)
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Re:AMD Bulldozer Benchmark Leak from Donanimhaber
2011/07/08 20:45:46
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well i guess we gotta wait for the final product and reviews for 320$ its a good deal though.
Don't be shocked if it is faster than your 980X when the reviews come out
B1 ES High Yield to B2(Whatever they will call it) PS Acceptable Yield
Will have a different clock speed, hopefully 8130P 3.2->3.6GHz(TC) to 3.8GHz->4.2GHz(TC) ^If the asus leaks are real A lot of the issues plaguing B1 will be fixed with the higher performing and more elegant fabrication process from high yield to acceptable yield
i wont be surprise cuz i know it wont be faster
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Re:AMD Bulldozer Benchmark Leak from Donanimhaber
2011/07/08 20:46:59
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^^^ lol but u said amds cache is faster and why is it lagging on all test? im guessing if the memory controller is bugged out does it also affect the cpu's L1, L2 and L3 cache? base on the L cache test i7 980x destroyed bulldozer most of it.
(980x L1 3.0ns 8130P ES L1 1.0ns so technically it is faster) L3 has the most problems
lol 980x has 1.2 ns and bulldozer has ES has 1.0 ns and if it is faster how do u explain the read, write and copy which bulldozer got destroyed dont that count more than the latency? in real world performance those read,write and copy will come to play the most if not all the time.
It is an engineer sample to make it easier to understand engineering samples are beta samples
Alpha Samples are shortly after they taped out aka (A1) Beta Samples is the maturing of the fabrication process (B0->B1) Final samples are what people get(B2) Final Revision Samples are for the people that can wait(C0)
is that for bulldozer or intel too?
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Re:AMD Bulldozer Benchmark Leak from Donanimhaber
2011/07/08 20:49:15
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sengutso is that for bulldozer or intel too? It's that way for everyone But the steppings are known for Bulldozer and I am just speculating on how I would have done it if I was a company making a CPU sengutso i wont be surprise cuz i know it wont be faster It can basically almost do what you can do with 4 execution threads not there And it overclocks like a dream as well(based on rumors it can go up to 6GHz before crashing on LN2 1.9 volts(B0 model))
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Re:AMD Bulldozer Benchmark Leak from Donanimhaber
2011/07/08 20:54:13
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I just have to say that at this point I think that I guess am going to quit looking for more information on bulldozer...Kinda getting tired of talking talking talking, and yet this chip is still 2+ months off. Seems this is the most leaks I have ever seen of a chip before it releases. It seems that one is just as fishy as the last. Almost like there is ONE bulldozer chip going around, and everyone is only allowed 20mins with it...thus why we cant get a decent set of benches all from the same leak... Everyone that is excited about this chip says that the clock issues were not real, and that they are holding off on releasing the chip to give llano a time in the spotlight. If this is so, then why have we not seen a ES that runs at the speced 8130 speeds. 3.8ghz stock. AMD better have some plans for bulldozer in the future, if they are going to release a new architecture, and it is not going to beat intel's current one at release...bumping the clock 100mhz every 3 months is not going to make amd compete with haswell methinks I hope the best for amd, but their future just keeps looking more bleak to me.
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Re:AMD Bulldozer Benchmark Leak from Donanimhaber
2011/07/08 20:56:30
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sengutso is that for bulldozer or intel too?
It's that way for everyone But the steppings are known for Bulldozer and I am just speculating on how I would have done it if I was a company making a CPU
sengutso i wont be surprise cuz i know it wont be faster
It can basically almost do what you can do with 4 execution threads not there And it overclocks like a dream as well(based on rumors it can go up to 6GHz before crashing B0 on LN2 1.9 volts)
well 980x can do 12 execution threads how is 4 faster?
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Re:AMD Bulldozer Benchmark Leak from Donanimhaber
2011/07/08 20:58:39
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Bruno747
I just have to say that at this point I think that I guess am going to quit looking for more information on bulldozer...Kinda getting tired of talking talking talking, and yet this chip is still 2+ months off. Seems this is the most leaks I have ever seen of a chip before it releases. It seems that one is just as fishy as the last.
Almost like there is ONE bulldozer chip going around, and everyone is only allowed 20mins with it...thus why we cant get a decent set of benches all from the same leak...
Everyone that is excited about this chip says that the clock issues were not real, and that they are holding off on releasing the chip to give llano a time in the spotlight. If this is so, then why have we not seen a ES that runs at the speced 8130 speeds. 3.8ghz stock.
AMD better have some plans for bulldozer in the future, if they are going to release a new architecture, and it is not going to beat intel's current one at release...bumping the clock 100mhz every 3 months is not going to make amd compete with haswell methinks
I hope the best for amd, but their future just keeps looking more bleak to me.
well said my friend +1
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Re:AMD Bulldozer Benchmark Leak from Donanimhaber
2011/07/08 20:58:45
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I don't know if we could really say that the 980X wiped the floor with it yet as i see no gaming benchs and i don't do much office work.. The way i see it AMD just wiped the floor with everything Intel has built or built up to with one chip and has wipe that huge lead away if we need to compare a $1000 Intel chip to a $320 AMD chip..
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Re:AMD Bulldozer Benchmark Leak from Donanimhaber
2011/07/08 20:58:51
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I just need you to watch this video Water Chevrotain = AMD Eagle = Intel or did I get it backwards? Bruno747 I just have to say that at this point I think that I guess am going to quit looking for more information on bulldozer...Kinda getting tired of talking talking talking, and yet this chip is still 2+ months off. Seems this is the most leaks I have ever seen of a chip before it releases. It seems that one is just as fishy as the last. We are getting closer and closer to the CPUs launch on July 31st Bruno747 Almost like there is ONE bulldozer chip going around, and everyone is only allowed 20mins with it...thus why we cant get a decent set of benches all from the same leak... This is a new chip every other chip has been B0 Bruno747 Everyone that is excited about this chip says that the clock issues were not real, and that they are holding off on releasing the chip to give llano a time in the spotlight. If this is so, then why have we not seen a ES that runs at the speced 8130 speeds. 3.8ghz stock. The ES Model has a Turbo core to 4.2GHz if it turns off 2 modules Bruno747 AMD better have some plans for bulldozer in the future, if they are going to release a new architecture, and it is not going to beat intel's current one at release...bumping the clock 100mhz every 3 months is not going to make amd compete with haswell methinks This is an ES model don't give up hopes, Next-gen Bulldozer by Haswell(2 generations of new Bulldozers...don't be shocked that Bulldozer(Zambezi+Komodo) versions can do x86-128...not really but if it had 1 core instead of 2 cores it could, the bulldozer(Zambezi) we have now(clarification)) Bruno747 I hope the best for amd, but their future just keeps looking more bleak to me. I don't they booted out Nvidia in the Console GPU wars <--- and the mainstream and below with the APU
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Re:AMD Bulldozer Benchmark Leak from Donanimhaber
2011/07/08 21:01:32
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OMG 186 TDP? i dont care if its not efficent , its freaking capable. and in multicore apps this is gonna be beast.
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Re:AMD Bulldozer Benchmark Leak from Donanimhaber
2011/07/08 21:06:01
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warlord420 OMG 186 TDP? i dont care if its not efficent , its freaking capable. and in multicore apps this is gonna be beast. 125W TDP 1.1-1.3 Volts in production(<--TDP calculations) The Engineer Samples don't live a long lifetime All FX CPUs are unlockable aka have tweakable multipliers The $280 model is one going for the throat of 2600K the $320 model is anything else in the future ;)
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Re:AMD Bulldozer Benchmark Leak from Donanimhaber
2011/07/08 21:27:24
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Starting to feel like I should ditch the Intel plans and invest in AM3+ if BD is looking as good as the samples show it to be.
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