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Re:References 2013/04/29 11:15:08 (permalink)
After re-reading, its the H8QGL it must be disabled.
I'm getting closer to flashing, everything is checking out good.
I've flashed so many bios it doesn't phase me anymore,
main thing is to have all the correct info before you start and understanding that info.
As seen it was a little tricker on the ankle bitter 4P than normal desktop boards,
so I'd like to be a little more clear on this server board before I start.
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Re:References 2013/04/29 14:24:37 (permalink)
Wolf, I'm watching you close, we (I) need a step by step for this, I can't afford to screw it up but i'm itching to do it and I'd be happy to move from my .19 to 2.2 lol

 



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Re:References 2013/04/29 20:22:32 (permalink)
Oh my I seen a big red flash! [H] at boot after a successful flash.
 
Flashing is really simple once you know the ins and outs.
 
For those wanting to update the bios for the H8QGi+f /6 motherboards.
First you'll need to format and make your USB drive bootable.
I used Rufus, what you need to know and the download is in the link.
Grab the bios that is correct for your board at [H] forum
You'll also need to grab the zip bios files from SM for your board.
H8QGi/6: http://www.supermicro.com...s/getfile.aspx?ID=1283
H8QGL: http://www.supermicro.com...s/getfile.aspx?ID=1278
  
 
NOTE: IPMI (BMC) must be disabled on H8QGL boards
 
Once these are done and you have a bootable flash drive unzip and move the
SM bios files plus the [H] bios file to the flash drive.
 
Shut down your H8QG, place the flash drive in a USB port, start computer, 
enter bios and change boot order to USB. F10 to save and exit.
It will now boot off the flash drive if you have done everything correct to this point.
Once booted to the flash drive and to the C:\  see example
To flash, use:
  flash.bat <filename>
   example: flash.bat G60NG4.A11
 
Do not power off or interrupt until the flash has completed.
You'll know by what it tells you by what's on the screen that it is done.
Power off at this point wait a min. or so, then power on the unit and enter bios,
load bios' optimal defaults with (F9 key) (very important)
Save and exit (F10 key) wait to see post screen power off, wait power on.
You can now re-enter bios if there are some changes you'd like to make such as boot order.
Your done with this part. Now onward to OCing.
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Re:References 2013/04/30 08:33:55 (permalink)
To avoid some confusion, the SM H8QGi-F bios update zipfile from the link on the SM H8QGi-F product page at http://www.supermicro.com...000/SR56x0/H8QGi-F.cfm doesn't have any "flash.bat" file in it, it has an autoexec.bat file with a hardcoded BIOS update file, "H8QG63.201."
 
Use the Wolf's link above for the bios flash files, NOT the SM H8QGi-F product page's link unless you are adventurous and want to diddle around with your own custom batch file!
 
I'm flashing my H8QGi-F with G60NG4.A11 BIOS image the as I type this... and it's done! Time to reboot...  CMOS Checksum failed, entering setup, load optimal defaults, save and reboot...  [H] logo came up and it booted right into Ubuntu. Need to shut it down and bang away on the Delete key as it boots. Set my options in the BIOS and now it is time to play.
 
It seems like it warm booted somewhat quickly, no OC yet, guess that's a good sign. SSHed in. Loaded ocng-cu, set the refclock to a conservative 220 and shutdown. Wait. Restart.SSH back in. Clockspeed: 2308.866 MHz, yeah baby. Let's load up fah and see what's what. Resuming the stinky 8101 at 122940... Temps look good. No HT retries. Wait for a couple of frames to complete. 8101's were averaging 17:22, but on the last run it was 17:04, looking for it to drop to around the 15:20 mark, hopefully. 15:27 seconds, not bad, looks like success to me. I'll let it run out the rest of this WU and then bump it to 225.
 

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Re:References 2013/04/30 09:36:17 (permalink)
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I'm flashing my H8QGi-F with G60NG4.A11 BIOS image the as I type this... and it's done! Time to reboot...  CMOS Checksum failed, entering setup, load optimal defaults, save and reboot...  [H] logo came up and it booted right into Ubuntu. Need to shut it down and bang away on the Delete key as it boots. Set my options in the BIOS and now it is time to play. 


Not sure if you did a reboot or a power off here, but I did a power off right after the
bios flash was complete, waited a min. or so then power on so I never saw a
CMOS Checksum failed with the power off method, entered bios loaded optimal defaults,
save wait to see boot screen and power off again. Power on enter bios make changes as needed.
Also on 1st boot after the power down the [H] logo came right up.
Times are looking good.
Edit:
Side note:
I started at 226mhz I'm now up to 246mhz. Jumping 10mhz at a time and testing.
Frequencies to avoid
 
241 is a go. 242 is a no-go.

List of frequencies to avoid (until new version comes out): 209, 232, 242, 262
Source

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Re:References 2013/04/30 10:37:48 (permalink)
I just did a shutdown with the power button after the flash and fired it back up after about 15 seconds. Bad Checksum is normal AFAIK until you load the optimal defaults. In any event it wasn't a problem for me nor did it concern me. First boot the [H] logo just flashed and was gone, but until I changed the quiet boot to no it stayed and hung out until the OS booted.
 
My WU will complete just after midnight and I'll bump it to 230 and let it run overnight. I don't hit the sack until 2 am or thereabouts so I'll be able to keep an eye on it until then. Hopefully I won't get another stinky 8101.
 

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Re:References 2013/04/30 11:08:24 (permalink)
Yea it could have been there "the CMOS Checksum failed error" but covered by the [H] logo, since I hit Del pretty quick.
I picked up a 8101 after the 8105 uploaded which isn't what I had hope for since I wanted to place the board today on the Tech station. Messed up my plains.
P8101 @ 246Mhz 2.215Ghz
 
Name: H8QGi+F 4P
 Number of Frames Observed: 14
 Min. Time / Frame : 00:19:54 - 195,673.6 PPD
 Avg. Time / Frame : 00:19:59 - 194,451.0 PPD
 Cur. Time / Frame : 00:19:58 - 194,694.5 PPD 
  How do those times look for a 8101 @2.2ghz?
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Re:References 2013/04/30 13:39:15 (permalink)
At 2100 mhz with the 6172's 48 cores on 8101 I was doing TPFs in the 16:50's to the 17:20's, 240K to 256K PPD. Now at 2310 mhz I'm at 15:24 for 287K+ PPD.
 

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Re:References 2013/04/30 13:49:25 (permalink)
I completed an 8101 a few hours aga
 
6168 @ 1.9  48 cores  16 X 2GB 1600 ram
 
Name: 4P Folder Path: \\JOHNERZ-H8QG6\fah\ Number of Frames Observed: 100
 Min. Time / Frame : 00:16:32 - 258,387.3 PPD Avg. Time / Frame : 00:16:39 - 255,676.4 PPD

 



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Re:References 2013/04/30 14:03:58 (permalink)
So I take it 20mins a frame isn't to bad concerting the core count of only 32.
I have a new surprise soon.

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Re:References 2013/04/30 15:33:55 (permalink)
20 minutes looks very good, Surprise .................Love surprises lol
 
 
 

 



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Re:References 2013/04/30 16:29:25 (permalink)
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20 minutes looks very good, Surprise .................Love surprises lol





http://forums.evga.com/fb.ashx?m=1923524
 
Another 23/24 seconds shaved off.

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Re:References 2013/04/30 21:09:50 (permalink)
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Name: H8QGi+F 4P 
Number of Frames Observed: 14
Min. Time / Frame : 00:19:54 - 195,673.6 PPD
Avg. Time / Frame : 00:19:59 - 194,451.0 PPD
Cur. Time / Frame : 00:19:58 - 194,694.5 PPD 
How do those times look for a 8101 @2.2ghz?

Here is my collection of 8101 numbers:


Project ID: 8101

Name: Amd 6176SE 2.725Ghz 699 Watt
 Avg. Time / Frame : 00:13:13 - 361,517 PPD 

Name: Amd 6166HE 2.277Ghz 552 Watt
 Avg. Time / Frame : 00:14:23 - 318,436 PPD
 
Name: Amd2P (2P 6176SE)
 Avg. Time / Frame : 00:26:57 - 124,158 PPD

Name: Amd 6172 2.1Ghz (2P)
 Avg. Time / Frame : 00:28:49 - 112,291 PPD



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Re:References 2013/04/30 22:09:02 (permalink)
Finished the 8101 and picked p an 8105, yay! Bumped the refclock up to 230 mhz, clockspeed is now showing as 2415.019 mhz. At 2310 the TPF was showing as 12:40. tpc -dram shows the freq at 1332, which I believe should have it at roughly 1532 mhz. I'll report back after a couple of frames to see what the TPF comes down to.
 
The 8439's also picked up an 8105 (yay!), it is showing the TPF to be 16:57.
 

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Re:References 2013/04/30 22:45:10 (permalink)
Your TPF is looking good.
 
I have hit a brick wall with my refclock @ 262mhz but then again that's the max that is allowed.
TPF on 8101 is now down from 19:26 @ 256mhz to 18:51 @ 262Mhz after 3 frames.
Now that I know the CPU's can handle it, its the time to start working on memory clocks and timing.

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Re:References 2013/04/30 22:53:12 (permalink)
TPF on 8105 has dropped from 12:40 @ 2310 to 11:14 @ 2415. I'll let this WU complete and bump it again.
 

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Re:References 2013/04/30 23:01:25 (permalink)
That's basically what I been doing, bump work a WU bump ect.
I'm @ 2.359Ghz so unlees there's a way to get a higher refclock that's it for me.
 
Might as well crank it up you'll be a while getting to the max with those small bumps.
BTW I could only wish to have some TPF like those, very nice!
Edit: now at 18:48
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Re:References 2013/05/01 10:22:15 (permalink)
I have it up to 240 so far. I'm waiting for a full frame to get a TPF. HFM says 11:31 on the 8105, which is plausible, but probably not accurate.

Edit: The 8105 TPF for the past two frames is 10:52 at 2520 mhz. I'm very happy with that.
 
post edited by cp256 - 2013/05/01 10:46:50

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Re:References 2013/05/01 11:50:45 (permalink)
Wow that's great! Just think what that TFP will be if it make it to 250/260 range. maybe some high nines tpf.

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Re:References 2013/05/01 12:07:19 (permalink)
I'm kinda doubting I'll get near 260 and I think it would take 261 to crack 10 minutes unless I pump up the volume on the DDR, but it's a nice thought...
 

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Re:References 2013/05/04 16:21:42 (permalink)
Anyone running 16 cores CPU with the H8QGi+F?
 
  • Number of Cores: 16-Core
  • Socket Type: Socket G34
  • Clock Speed: 1.6 GHz Turbo 2.1 GHz(all cores)
  • Bus Speed: Four 3200 MHz 16-bit HyperTransport links
  • L2 Cache: 8 x 2 MB shared exclusive caches
  • L3 Cache: 16 MB

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Re:References 2013/05/06 20:25:35 (permalink)
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Anyone running 16 cores CPU with the H8QGi+F?

Not yet but have been looking.

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Re:References 2013/05/07 06:54:58 (permalink)
Keep in mind that the Interlagos/Bulldozer 82xx 16c chips have two 8 core integer processors, but they share a single FPU and fetch/decode/execute units so they aren't really full blown 16c chips. Clock for clock they aren't as efficient as Magny Cours/Istanbul 61xx chips. They also tend to be a bit more power hungry than MC's. Sometimes IL deals pop up, but IL chips really aren't worth any premium over MC's for folding.
 
The Abu Dhabi/Piledriver 63xx series of chips is sort of an optimized Interlagos. Some bottlenecks were opened up, but the L1 cache deficiency is still the same as Interlagos. Clockspeed capability was improved and 1866 DDR is supported on boards with that capability. Power suckage per op is substantially better, 20% or so, than Interlagos. There are some folders getting good performance from 63xxx chips, but they are still very pricey. 2.8/3.2 ghz 6386 AD chips are selling for $850 and up and 2.5/2.8 6380's can be had for $700 or so. The low end 6366HE chips are still going for $500 and up. No budget folding with these babies for a while.
 
I don't think tear's hacked bios supports any overclocking with IL/AD chips.
 
IMO, unless you get an exceptionally good deal on IL or AD chips, MC is still the way to go for G34 4p's.
 

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Re:References 2013/05/07 11:11:45 (permalink)
Thanks cp for that info it refresh my memory on some parts and others parts I didn't know.
I skimped read over a good bit of stuff because at the time it wasn't as important to know.
I thought I was coming into a little money and found a few chips, but that's not going to happen now.
So I take it its better to stick with 12 core chips if they can be found at a reasonable price.

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Re:References 2013/05/07 11:26:34 (permalink)
I'd love to flog some 8386's, but I'm not going to shell out $3400 to do it! I'd rather run two 6172 4p's for less money
 

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Re:References 2013/05/07 11:46:44 (permalink)
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I'd love to flog some 8386's, but I'm not going to shell out $3400 to do it! I'd rather run two 6172 4p's for less money



Check your PM.

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Re:References 2013/05/07 17:42:05 (permalink)
I've got another contact for us... seems when I purchased some 12 core AMD chips from ITCreations I might have made a friend.  Or someone hungry.  If you are going that route (and I did ask this person if it was okay... LMBO.. (sales people like money) to pass on the offer the answer was a resounding yes.)
 
So shoot me that PM... and I'll pass on this nice persons name and number.  Mind you I got the first one from eBay... next time I'll see just how deep the discounts can go.


 
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Re:References 2013/05/18 10:19:28 (permalink)
Man I wish I had a dollar for every tube of coolermaster tim i had. Icould offset the price of a new 4p with ease

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Re:References 2013/05/24 19:30:10 (permalink)
Here's what looks like could be a deal for someone looking to build a 4P?
SUPERMICRO AS-2042G-6RF 2U Rackmount Server Barebone Quad Socket G34 AMD SR5690/SR5670 DDR3 1600/1333/1066 Knock off another $150.00 with this primo code: EXTRASAVING
 
Grand Total: $1,407.88 shipped
ran acroos it while looking at open box stuff at Newegg.
 
Edit: could knock off another $20.00 with this:
Save $20 with promo code: NEWCUSTOMER20 when you spend $249. Valid for new customers only who have registered with Newegg as of May 24, 2013. Items sold by Newegg Marketplace sellers do not qualify. Pre-order items do not count towards the total minimum purchase amount required to redeem the promo code discount. Tax and shipping fees are not applicable towards fulfilling the total purchase price required for the promotional discount. Purchase totals from previous or additional checkouts cannot be combined to fulfill promotional requirements. Only one promo code per account; valid only with qualifying completed checkout.
post edited by TheWolf - 2013/05/24 19:36:01

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Re:References 2013/07/29 21:17:32 (permalink)

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