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Re: 980 Ti Kingpin SLI won't overclock much 2015/08/30 21:45:33 (permalink)
I suggest refreshing the thermal paste also.. Just be aware that when you pull the heatsink off, there are 4 cables (3 led and 1 fan) connected to the card... They keep themselves in place though, so it is hard to mix up which one plugs in where.

I hope you get it figured out.
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Re: 980 Ti Kingpin SLI won't overclock much 2015/08/31 12:42:19 (permalink)
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I suggest refreshing the thermal paste also.. Just be aware that when you pull the heatsink off, there are 4 cables (3 led and 1 fan) connected to the card... They keep themselves in place though, so it is hard to mix up which one plugs in where.

I hope you get it figured out.



I explained my situation to EVGA Tech Support and they suggested themselves to re-apply TIM. My question now would be: Which tim? (I hearing good things about Gelid Solutions GC-Extreme). I also have some noctua paste that came with the my Noctua NH12-U CPU cooler. Second question would be: Are the memory and other none GPU heatsinks/spreaders not attached to the copper? So it is a matter of removing the copper related bolts and the fan/led wires?
 
On another note: 750D Airflow Front Panel Kit is on it's way!
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Re: 980 Ti Kingpin SLI won't overclock much 2015/08/31 13:15:18 (permalink)
Gelid dries out way to fast I would stay away  I think it's been discontinued anyways I was big fan for very long time. Noctua is good, MX 4 is my favorite, they all very close
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Re: 980 Ti Kingpin SLI won't overclock much 2015/08/31 13:17:12 (permalink)
I use MX4 in every single gpu I have that is on air or water. I can easily suggest it. I briefly used gelid, but didn't see a major difference in temps, so I stick to mx4 now. I just pulled it off of one gpu after a year under water, and it looks like it was just applied.
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Re: 980 Ti Kingpin SLI won't overclock much 2015/08/31 13:20:41 (permalink)
I just pulled it off of one gpu after a year under water, and it looks like it was just applied.

Yes I did the same recently to check one of my  blocks  after I think 8-9 moths and MX4 seems still fresh
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Re: 980 Ti Kingpin SLI won't overclock much 2015/08/31 13:42:15 (permalink)
MX4 is what I would suggest as well.

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Re: 980 Ti Kingpin SLI won't overclock much 2015/08/31 14:18:23 (permalink)
Gelid doesn't dry out or Crack at all. Gc extreme is still the best imo.

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Re: 980 Ti Kingpin SLI won't overclock much 2015/08/31 15:07:10 (permalink)
Gelid doesn't dry out or Crack at all. Gc extreme is still the best imo

 
10 out of 10 brand new, unopened tubes I  kept in cold dark place were garbage, half oil half hard useless  texture and they where not even year old. Emailed Gelid numerous times, not one response.
I pulled off few of my blocks that I treated 3-4 months ago with perfect consistency texture GC extreme ( it was almost year ago) and they were bone dry I pulled all of the blocks e.g. CPU, 6GPUs all together from 3 PCs bone dry.
Why is Gelid Extreme discontinued? yes it shows on Gelid website, they didn't update their products, but its discontinued, if you find it anywhere, it will be left overs to get rid of it.
post edited by AWK16 - 2015/08/31 15:10:14
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Re: 980 Ti Kingpin SLI won't overclock much 2015/08/31 15:47:23 (permalink)
I just bought 5 brand new tubes of it. It's not discontinued.

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Re: 980 Ti Kingpin SLI won't overclock much 2015/08/31 17:12:06 (permalink)
You not listening I said, you can still get them from retailers that stock them and want to get rid of them.
Go ahead and email Gelid and try to get answer from them........Good luck.
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Re: 980 Ti Kingpin SLI won't overclock much 2015/08/31 17:26:14 (permalink)
Get those suckas under water and use the bios switch that god intended to be used. You will get 1480-1500 for sure. Its worth it for the  cooling only IMO. 1430-1480 is about 4-5 fps in SLI. Most likely your cards WILL do 1480 individually but the more cards, the less % clocks you will lose by 3-4% unless using LN2.

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Re: 980 Ti Kingpin SLI won't overclock much 2015/09/01 06:00:57 (permalink)
Ok there is some light at the end of the tunnel it seems. While my 750D side panel is with a fabrication dude who will cut me two 140mm holes (might be ready today or tomorrow), I need to get some grills, filters and two silent fans. Will report back when this is done.
 
In the mean while, I did the following:
- Switched BIOS to OC.
- No side panel.
- Opened front panel for increased airflow.
- Stock voltages.
- Set fan to automatic (Aggressive).
 
Now the highest temperature I get is 74C on top card and this is if I really let it run heaven for a long time! So basically the cards are cooling fine and it was indeed my case setup. As I mentioned above, already working to make major changes to the case.
 
Still, for Kingpins, the results are underwhelming. Check below.
 
Tested the following in Firestrike regular:
- Core = +100Mhz (~1506Mhz)= red lines
- Core = +90Mhz (~1493Mhz)= red lines/red artifacts
- Core = +80Mhz (~1480Mhz)= Pass
 
Moved on to heaven unigine:
- Core = +80 (~1480Mhz)= crashes.
- Core = +70 (~1468Mhz)= crashes.
- Core = +50 (~1443Mhz)= stable!
 
Then went with the following on memory in Firestrike:
- Memory = +500 = black flickers
- Memory = +400 = black screen crash
- Memory = +300 and all the way down to +150 = black screen crash in both or either Firestrike or Heaven (even Witcher 3).
 
Moved on to heaven unigine:
Memory = +50 = stable.
 
So far, this is the stable setting I am getting:
- Power Limit = 150%
- Core = +50
- Memory = +50
- Bench Max Temperature = 74C
- Gaming Max Temperature = 66C (Witcher 3)
 
So yeah, despite "fixing" the airflow issue, the cards still perform sub-par to expectation. I know that these are SLI and probably the best case scenario that they would do 1480Mhz, yet I am all the way down to 1443Mhz. I might be able to push +60Mhz on core which would land me on 1455Mhz which can be reasonable.
 
The other puzzling issue is the memory. It just won't go over 7200Mhz. Any more and I will get constant black/red screens. I went through 3 980 sets of cards and all have had issues reaching 7600Mhz, let alone 8000Mhz. Is it the motherboard? Am I missing something? Do people change memory voltages separately but fail to mention it?
 
Let me know what you think.
 
When I have my final case mods in place, I will share photos and results. Until then, will play more with the open case.
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Re: 980 Ti Kingpin SLI won't overclock much 2015/09/02 06:21:25 (permalink)
Played a few hours of MGSV without issues. So far above OC is stable (with side panel open and aggressive fan profile). Thoughts?
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Re: 980 Ti Kingpin SLI won't overclock much 2015/09/02 09:38:29 (permalink)
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Played a few hours of MGSV without issues. So far above OC is stable (with side panel open and aggressive fan profile). Thoughts?


It may be your mother board are you able to run more power to your express lanes like you can on the Z97 EVGA Classified board ? I also think you need to get those temps down some more.
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Re: 980 Ti Kingpin SLI won't overclock much 2015/09/03 12:33:57 (permalink)
Alright, two 140mm fan holes on side panel window cleanly and nicely added. Currently one fan is running (lower hole) as an inflow fan. Temperatures are already better than just an open panel by 4-5C. So far I max out at 68C on top card on Heaven loop for 10 minutes. Sadly, this still doesn't translate to better overclock.
 
Is everyone overclocking their memory out of the box via just PX? No memory voltage changes? I read somewhere else that drivers could also be causing the instability of grey/black screens. I get that only when I OC my cards over 7200Mhz.
 
Anyway, I will receive the front panel airflow kit tomorrow and will get me another side fan (or two, might make it two Noctua's).
 
Hit me with thoughts and suggestions.
post edited by Vayne4800 - 2015/09/03 12:36:25
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Re: 980 Ti Kingpin SLI won't overclock much 2015/09/03 13:58:03 (permalink)
With as much money and effort as you're putting into this machine, you coulda bought blocks and had them watercooled by now...
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Re: 980 Ti Kingpin SLI won't overclock much 2015/09/03 14:16:17 (permalink)
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With as much money and effort as you're putting into this machine, you coulda bought blocks and had them watercooled by now...


Full blocks are not available yet.
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Re: 980 Ti Kingpin SLI won't overclock much 2015/09/03 14:16:40 (permalink)
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With as much money and effort as you're putting into this machine, you coulda bought blocks and had them watercooled by now...




Money and effort? Dude, I am fixing my case airflow problems... I am not spending "extra" for the graphics card. Added, I like to keep the copper cooler! It is just too awesome to remove...
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Re: 980 Ti Kingpin SLI won't overclock much 2015/09/03 18:13:50 (permalink)
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With as much money and effort as you're putting into this machine, you coulda bought blocks and had them watercooled by now...




Money and effort? Dude, I am fixing my case airflow problems... I am not spending "extra" for the graphics card. Added, I like to keep the copper cooler! It is just too awesome to remove...




I hate removing it too :P
Temps can make ALL the difference in the world, even just a few degrees guys. Your temps are very high.
After I found that the 355+ drivers can cause many problems when overclocking and I read thru your thread yesterday, I started looking for other things as well and spent some time on this for two days:
I tested two pieces 73% asic all day. One piece was crashing the driver over 1500 similar to yours first time I tested. When I see a card doing this I know something is not right instantly because about all KPTi can clock over 1500. The range is around 1520-1570 on Max overclocks on air:
1. Max OC depends on ASIC and room temps for sure. Maxwell is already at teh thermal limits even on just stock boost clock. For the card to perform well and to OC all the way on stock cooler that its capable of, it needs about of 26-27c ambient room/case temperature. If the surrounding air of the card is much hotter than this, the max air OC will lower.
2. For now DO NOT use 355+ drivers as they cause grey screens and driver display errors. Try 353.62 first if having issues. Uninstall the old driver and use driver sweeper to remove all NV entries in registry. Reboot.
3. Put the bios back to the first position (normal) and reflash the card to 5998V360.rom which is the factory shipped stock bios(since this is stock nv green light bios, no need for crack flash)
4. After flashing bios, boot into windows and install 353.62 drivers and test the card again starting at 1500 with fan speed 100% (approx 2700rpm on default bios)
Let me know what happens and also take a picture of the benchmark running with precision osd enabled so I can see loaded temperature during 3dmark game test. If you have to use an open case then do it. Your system MUST have proper airflow for these cards to run at max.
This is the bios posted at KPC which I want you to flash to:
http://xdevs.com/evga/980ti/5998V360.rom
 
BTW...After I did all this to that 73% asic card that was stuck below 1490, it can now run firestrike 1540mhz, I can loop the 3dmark demo at 1525mhz and Heaven about 1525mhz as well :)
This is a great card! but its stuck 1490 previously. Follow the steps I laid out EXACTLY, see if it helps you.
After you follow the steps, try the first OC test with no overclock on memory, then try again with +598 offset which give 4104mhz. Somec ards will clock higher on core when you OC the memory too.
 
 
post edited by k|ngp|n - 2015/09/03 18:18:00

 
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Re: 980 Ti Kingpin SLI won't overclock much 2015/09/03 18:32:33 (permalink)
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kwkrnu72
With as much money and effort as you're putting into this machine, you coulda bought blocks and had them watercooled by now...




Money and effort? Dude, I am fixing my case airflow problems... I am not spending "extra" for the graphics card. Added, I like to keep the copper cooler! It is just too awesome to remove...




post edited by kwkrnu72 - 2015/09/03 18:35:10
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Re: 980 Ti Kingpin SLI won't overclock much 2015/09/05 11:36:30 (permalink)
So I got the Airflow kit and also added two 140mm fans as Inflow to the modified side panel window. Temps barely ever see 70C. Yet, I can't overclock for anything...
 
Hell, MGSV gave a grey/black screen crash followed by TDR error on +50/+50 OC?!!!!! Temps didn't even reach 60C in this game.
 
Reduced OC to +50/+0 and Batman AK gave an exact crash...
Is it really just the drivers? Why aren't there many complaints if that is the case?
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Re: 980 Ti Kingpin SLI won't overclock much 2015/09/05 19:30:46 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Vayne4800 2015/09/07 13:26:56



I hate removing it too :P
Temps can make ALL the difference in the world, even just a few degrees guys. Your temps are very high.
After I found that the 355+ drivers can cause many problems when overclocking and I read thru your thread yesterday, I started looking for other things as well and spent some time on this for two days:
I tested two pieces 73% asic all day. One piece was crashing the driver over 1500 similar to yours first time I tested. When I see a card doing this I know something is not right instantly because about all KPTi can clock over 1500. The range is around 1520-1570 on Max overclocks on air:
1. Max OC depends on ASIC and room temps for sure. Maxwell is already at teh thermal limits even on just stock boost clock. For the card to perform well and to OC all the way on stock cooler that its capable of, it needs about of 26-27c ambient room/case temperature. If the surrounding air of the card is much hotter than this, the max air OC will lower.
2. For now DO NOT use 355+ drivers as they cause grey screens and driver display errors. Try 353.62 first if having issues. Uninstall the old driver and use driver sweeper to remove all NV entries in registry. Reboot.
3. Put the bios back to the first position (normal) and reflash the card to 5998V360.rom which is the factory shipped stock bios(since this is stock nv green light bios, no need for crack flash)
4. After flashing bios, boot into windows and install 353.62 drivers and test the card again starting at 1500 with fan speed 100% (approx 2700rpm on default bios)
Let me know what happens and also take a picture of the benchmark running with precision osd enabled so I can see loaded temperature during 3dmark game test. If you have to use an open case then do it. Your system MUST have proper airflow for these cards to run at max.
This is the bios posted at KPC which I want you to flash to:
http://xdevs.com/evga/980ti/5998V360.rom
 
BTW...After I did all this to that 73% asic card that was stuck below 1490, it can now run firestrike 1540mhz, I can loop the 3dmark demo at 1525mhz and Heaven about 1525mhz as well :)
This is a great card! but its stuck 1490 previously. Follow the steps I laid out EXACTLY, see if it helps you.
After you follow the steps, try the first OC test with no overclock on memory, then try again with +598 offset which give 4104mhz. Somec ards will clock higher on core when you OC the memory too.
 
 
Did you try this ^^^^^ ?


353.62 has been the best for me, both for gaming and OC'ing. 355.82 was pretty stable in games but gave me lots of issue's when benching and lower clock's as well.
 
Have you tried OC'ing each card individually to find there max OC when not in SLI ?  My two kpe's are about 20MHz apart from each other on the core and 50MHz on the memory. One card is 75% ASIC and the other is 75.1% ASIC.

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Re: 980 Ti Kingpin SLI won't overclock much 2015/09/05 19:50:09 (permalink)
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So I got the Airflow kit and also added two 140mm fans as Inflow to the modified side panel window. Temps barely ever see 70C. Yet, I can't overclock for anything...
 
Hell, MGSV gave a grey/black screen crash followed by TDR error on +50/+50 OC?!!!!! Temps didn't even reach 60C in this game.
 
Reduced OC to +50/+0 and Batman AK gave an exact crash...
Is it really just the drivers? Why aren't there many complaints if that is the case?


Where did you get the Airflow kit for 750D? Can you give me a PM? Thank you very much.
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Re: 980 Ti Kingpin SLI won't overclock much 2015/09/06 00:01:48 (permalink)
 
Hey guys, I've been playing around with a 73.3 980 TI Kingpin and was curious about something. On stock settings, the boost clock starts out at 1418, then drops to 1405 around 65 degrees. Obviously that is a threshold, but I have never owned a GPU where the factory overclock dipped. Can someone tell me how unusual that is?
 
 
 
 

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Re: 980 Ti Kingpin SLI won't overclock much 2015/09/06 07:25:51 (permalink)
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Hey guys, I've been playing around with a 73.3 980 TI Kingpin and was curious about something. On stock settings, the boost clock starts out at 1418, then drops to 1405 around 65 degrees. Obviously that is a threshold, but I have never owned a GPU where the factory overclock dipped. Can someone tell me how unusual that is?
 
 
 
 


Factory overclock?
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Re: 980 Ti Kingpin SLI won't overclock much 2015/09/06 09:58:36 (permalink)
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Hey guys, I've been playing around with a 73.3 980 TI Kingpin and was curious about something. On stock settings, the boost clock starts out at 1418, then drops to 1405 around 65 degrees. Obviously that is a threshold, but I have never owned a GPU where the factory overclock dipped. Can someone tell me how unusual that is?
 
 
 
 


That is normal.
You can leave it as is or if you want to stop that from happening, use precision x to add some additional voltage to your card. Overvoltage + 25mV should do the trick.

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Re: 980 Ti Kingpin SLI won't overclock much 2015/09/07 13:28:18 (permalink)
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Where did you get the Airflow kit for 750D? Can you give me a PM? Thank you very much.




From Corsair directly! It is just a different front panel plate (not the whole panel!). Worth it IMO.
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Re: 980 Ti Kingpin SLI won't overclock much 2015/09/07 18:34:50 (permalink)
I hit 1415Mhz boost stable with 87mV increase on 980 ti ACX+ superclock+ air 110%
 
if you don't up the mV you are wasting the potential

I tried +200 way back w/ no mV increase and it would lock up in planetside once I got in the game but now I was walking around with +210MHz 87mV 110% and no problem

also way back I had the Asus Maximus IV Extreme with 24 PWM on P67 thinking I can OC more but it really made no difference with the similar P67 boards I had and I also tried other PSU but with turning PWM to Full ON when it doesn't need it makes it inefficient and get hot for no reason if you aren't pushing serious MHz

I'm still on water but if you can't seem to OC more you might need to go water with a big dual-quad radiator with massive CFM fans because just because it doesnt seen 80C+ doesn't mean it would be stable as 50C with a different cooling setup
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Re: 980 Ti Kingpin SLI won't overclock much 2015/09/07 22:55:53 (permalink)
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That is normal.
You can leave it as is or if you want to stop that from happening, use precision x to add some additional voltage to your card. Overvoltage + 25mV should do the trick.



Thanks, worked like a charm.

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Re: 980 Ti Kingpin SLI won't overclock much 2015/09/08 05:46:35 (permalink)
Alright, nothing serious have been done but I would like to provide actual feedback during normal gaming session.
So I have set up the following: 100%(for some reason, higher Power Limit gives me lower Firestrike scores)/+70Mhz/+350Mhz/+12mV. Ran a couple of regular Firestrike runs with no issues. Looped Heaven for 5 mins or so. Not much but anyway. The strange thing is, been playing MGSV for 10 hours since my last OC setting change (previously got TDR at +50Mhz/+50Mhz). Another change is that I am playing on 4K DSR vs 2K (1440p). So not only am I playing at a higher OC, I am also adding more load on GPUs. Not a single TDR yet!
Ofcourse I should be trying Batman AK (with new patch) or Witcher 3 to be certain. Chances are, I will get a TDR in those games since I am running latest NVidia drivers (355.82). For now, I will enjoy the awesomeness in MGSV and work on testing stability on these settings later.
FYI, this brings my clocks to 1480Mhz/7800Mhz (OC Bios). Firestrike score is 25600.
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