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2017/12/26 12:42:43 (permalink)
Hello all,
 
If i split a single 8-pin pci-e cable from the PSU to a 2x 8-pin can i safely draw 300 watts over that single cable (which is then split into 150w per 8pin connector)? Or when i read that an 8-pin connector is capable of drawing 150 watts is that max per each connection to the PSU? I hope this makes sense and thanks in advance!
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    Re: 8-pin to 8-pin splitter 2017/12/26 13:04:41 (permalink)
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    If i split a single 8-pin pci-e cable from the PSU to a 2x 8-pin can i safely draw 300 watts over that single cable

    No. Max would be 288w.
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    Re: 8-pin to 8-pin splitter 2017/12/26 13:13:42 (permalink)
    Thanks. I guess here is what I am getting at i should have been more direct. Lets say i have a GPU that requires 1 8 pin connector and 1 6-pin connector and pulls 250 watts. Can i use 1 pci-e cable and split it to 2x 8 pins and plug both 1 8 pin and 6 of the other 8 pin into the GPU and remain safe?
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    Re: 8-pin to 8-pin splitter 2017/12/26 13:16:00 (permalink)
    Welcome to the forums.

    The 150W per 8-pin connector is a minimum PCI-SIG (industry) spec that the connector must be capable of safely delivering..The Connector Maximum Power Handling Capabilities which is much higher can be found here for the various types of terminals and is 288W for connectors using standard terminals, 396W for connectors using HCS (High-Current Sysytem) terminals, and 432W for connectors using Plus HCS terminals.

    That being said, unless you know what type of terminals and wire gauge are used, I would not do it..And if I did do it, I would keep a close eye on it to see if it's overheating..Best thing to do would be to get a PSU with the proper connectors.

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    Re: 8-pin to 8-pin splitter 2017/12/26 13:27:14 (permalink)
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    Can i use 1 pci-e cable and split it to 2x 8 pins and plug both 1 8 pin and 6 of the other 8 pin into the GPU and remain safe?

    Yes, you can safely use a single pci-e cable to power your video card if the cable splits into two 8(6+2)-pins at the end. Just make sure you stay under 288w.
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    Re: 8-pin to 8-pin splitter 2017/12/26 13:28:40 (permalink)
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    Lets say i have a GPU that requires 1 8 pin connector and 1 6-pin connector and pulls 250 watts. Can i use 1 pci-e cable and split it to 2x 8 pins and plug both 1 8 pin and 6 of the other 8 pin into the GPU and remain safe?


    Use one 8-pin and leave the 2-pin part of the other 8-pin (6+2) hanging..Yes..Don't forget a card can get up to 75W from the PCIe slot itself.
     
     

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    Re: 8-pin to 8-pin splitter 2017/12/26 13:29:02 (permalink)
    That's what i needed to hear thanks a bunch!
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    Re: 8-pin to 8-pin splitter 2017/12/27 02:44:53 (permalink)
    The CONNECTOR itself is capable of 288 watts.
     
     The WIRING TO THE CONNECTOR probably is NOT.
     
     Most cables with a single PCI-E 8-pin connector are only sized to handle 252 watts (3 AWG 18 +12VDC lines at 7 amps per wire) or 180 watts (3 AWG 20 lines at 5 amps each) - if it is AWG 16 wiring it's safe, if it is AWG 18 (common) you might be pushing it beyond specs, if it is 20 AWG you almost definitely ARE pushing it beyond specs.
     

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    Re: 8-pin to 8-pin splitter 2017/12/28 05:00:33 (permalink)
    Okay guys here's another question I have. So an 8-pin connector can pull 150 watts. So from the PSU: 8-pin plugged into PSU, other end of cable (8pin) plugged into and 8 pin splitter, which splits off to 2x 8-pin(or 6+2). Here is where my logical side is having difficulties. If an 8 pin connector can only safely draw 150 watts, how is the 8pin at the end of the main cable (opposite of end plugged into the PSU) able to deliver almost DOUBLE that to the splitter cable? In my head this is saying that this is no different than pulling 225 watts right off of a single 8 pin connector from the PSU Since you have 225 watts flowing through that single cable anyway to get to the splitter. Not that i would every do this but where am I off here? Or am I correct and it just depends on what the wiring can handle?
    post edited by smmachnik - 2017/12/28 05:08:04
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    Re: 8-pin to 8-pin splitter 2017/12/28 08:30:18 (permalink)
    It is not what the rail\connector on the power supply end can supply. The power supply rail feeding the PCI-E connector can deliver the rated wattage from that rail on the power supply. What the others are telling you is how much wattage the PCI-E extension cable from the power supply to the card can handle. If you are pulling more wattage through the PCI-E extension cable than it is rated for (pin\connector type & wire gauge), The wires and connectors on that extension cable will overheat and possibly melt\short and fry everything connected to them on each end.

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    Re: 8-pin to 8-pin splitter 2017/12/28 08:39:59 (permalink)
    That's my point. where you connect the splitter  -----=====
                                                     in the middle here^
     
    Lets say the cable is rated for infinite power draw. The 8 pin would be drawing more than 150 watts which is what the 8 pin connector there can safely pull no? That 8 pin that connects to the splitter is deliver 150 watts to each 8 pin split off from that (if the device its connected to is drawing that much). Sorry electricity isn't my forte. So essentially if you have both ends of the splitter drawing 150 watts or even 100 watts EACH, you are drawing 200-300 watts from that 8pin connector going into the splitter which is only rated at 150 watts. 
     
    To try and simplify my explanation: If i have 1 garden hose connector that will burst  at a rate over 10 gallons per minute and i hook up 2 garden hoses to that single one and they both pull 10 gallons per minute it would be overworking the first hose connector. I am trying to comprehend why the first hose connector can run 10 gallons per minute max but if you hook up 2 hoses to it even at a total of 15 gallons per minute its fine. Or am i correct to assume that the main hose connector could burst at any time (8 pin feeding the splitter melting). I wondering how i see EVERYWHERE that a 1080 or ti or whatever card it may be takes 1 8pin connector plus a 6 pin and people are just splitting 1 connector into 2 pulling 200+ watts total from a single 8 pin source rated for 150 watts. That is the bottom line to my question.
     
    Edit: Or am i over thinking this and i can disregard any connectors connecting wires as it essentially just makes it a "single wire"? Therefore the 2 ends of the splitter I could act like are the "only" connectors and it doesn't matter what they draw as long as the wiring is capable.
    post edited by smmachnik - 2017/12/28 08:53:35
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    Re: 8-pin to 8-pin splitter 2017/12/28 11:41:09 (permalink)
    The pinout on the power supply side is NOT PCI-E specified, and such connectors often use *4* pins to power the dual cable.
     4 pins at 8 amps each = 32 amps = 384 watts capacity, which is enough to power a pair of PCI-E rated 8-pin cables safely.
     
    Even if they DID only use 3 pins to power a dual cable, they could still pull 288 watts safely through the connector which would be plenty to meet PCI-E specs for an 8+6 dual cable.
     
    The PCI-E rating is VERY VERY CONSERVATIVE on the power connections and seriously underloads the actual rating for the connectors themselves.
     

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    Re: 8-pin to 8-pin splitter 2017/12/28 12:37:54 (permalink)
    @QuintLeo Thanks. So I am now at the conclusion it is safe to say that if i wanted to power a 1070 (single 8- pin) at a draw of 150 watts and a powered riser board (6-pin) i could do so with ONE pcie cable from PSU to a splitter cable which provides 1x 8pin and 1x 6+2 pin. I don't know why i got so hung up on that first cable connector going into the splitter's connector. Thanks everyone for the help.
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    Re: 8-pin to 8-pin splitter 2021/03/07 14:36:41 (permalink)
    im currently using a BP 610 EVGA psu
    which only have a single strand of pcie connection
    (2x 8 pin (6+2) daisy chained)
    to power my RX 5600xt (150 watts)
    that requires 2x 8 pin.
    So my question is,
    Can i still add another RX 5600xt(150 watts) by using a 2pcs of 8 pin "Y" splitter (so total of 4x PCIE 8 pin (6+2))? my psu have a 50amp for the +12v. thank you in advance.
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    Re: 8-pin to 8-pin splitter 2021/03/09 08:11:50 (permalink)
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    im currently using a BP 610 EVGA psu
    which only have a single strand of pcie connection
    (2x 8 pin (6+2) daisy chained)
    to power my RX 5600xt (150 watts)
    that requires 2x 8 pin.
    So my question is,
    Can i still add another RX 5600xt(150 watts) by using a 2pcs of 8 pin "Y" splitter (so total of 4x PCIE 8 pin (6+2))? my psu have a 50amp for the +12v. thank you in advance.



    Short answer... No.
     
    You're really playing with fire if you were to do this. You CAN do it; but your power supply is going to have a tough time delivering enough power under load to the cards. You'll see system instability and crashing all the way to melting cables if the power draw is too demanding on the cables/PSU.

    I would recommend getting a new power supply with enough dedicated cables to deliver power smoothly.



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    Re: 8-pin to 8-pin splitter 2022/02/10 09:05:26 (permalink)
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    Lets say i have a GPU that requires 1 8 pin connector and 1 6-pin connector and pulls 250 watts. Can i use 1 pci-e cable and split it to 2x 8 pins and plug both 1 8 pin and 6 of the other 8 pin into the GPU and remain safe?


    Use one 8-pin and leave the 2-pin part of the other 8-pin (6+2) hanging..Yes..Don't forget a card can get up to 75W from the PCIe slot itself.
     
     




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