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As the title says which one would be better than what I got now? This month my Alienware turns 3 years old and as such is in need of replacement by the start of next year. After running into issues with my internal USB 2.0 wifi adapter crapping out I bought a standard 3.0 one however I discovered USB 3.0 is flaky on the P67 chipset. It has made me realize just how much I need to switch to a new platform already. I am leaning heavily towards Z97 but am interested in the X99 platform. Speed wise I'd like to stay above what the 2600K gives out.
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Re: 5820K Vs 4790K - Best one as a 2600K replacement?
2014/09/03 13:11:07
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The test on the 5820k are looking good so far. Consider this, ddr3 will pass away slowly, now that Ddr4 is out... This will slightly future proof (not really a thing In my mind honestly) your rig for while compared to ddr3 alone. You will be able to upgrade easier if your platform matches the mainstream line up.
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Re: 5820K Vs 4790K - Best one as a 2600K replacement?
2014/09/03 13:29:58
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Only reason I'd consider the 5820K if I go X99 is cause I want to keep it under 2.5K budget wise. The next cpu up is about 600 bucks. I do want to future proof things with my next system and that DD4 looks attractive.
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Re: 5820K Vs 4790K - Best one as a 2600K replacement?
2014/09/03 13:34:12
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I am super impressed with the preliminary DDR4 reviews so far. I can't wait until they start falling from the sky.
I am looking at ADATA and Corsair, as I have had them from day one of my builds and want to continue to go where I trust. I will always be willing to look further out, and I think I may need to this time as crucial and gskill are looking attractive this time as well.
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Re: 5820K Vs 4790K - Best one as a 2600K replacement?
2014/09/03 13:38:25
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I plan to stick with Corsair for memory, case and most likely water cooler. I have always used them for memory. Since my Crucial M400 has been solid for over a year I plan to get a pair of M550s. A 256Gig for OS\small apps and their 1TB for games. As for motherboard I am leaning towards ASUS since they have some nice X97 options and their X99 Deluxe looks sexy as heck.
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Re: 5820K Vs 4790K - Best one as a 2600K replacement?
2014/09/03 13:38:46
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Go with the X99 and 5820k if you can afford it. This should be much more "future proof" due to the extra cores/threads and DDR4.
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Re: 5820K Vs 4790K - Best one as a 2600K replacement?
2014/09/03 14:04:53
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That ASUS X99 deluxe is full of Yummy sexiness... I am just not impressed with Asus customer service at this time, and the fact they will gladly repack and ship back a motherboard that was sent in for a RMA knowing it still doesn't work. I have had that happen, as I wrote the SN down before sending it off, and got it back. I do like the functionality they offer on the boards, when it works.
I am going to look for customer service over options, as I have found that I don't use all of the options. I actually use very little when it comes to normal features that people look for, and focus on overclocking more than extra features.
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Re: 5820K Vs 4790K - Best one as a 2600K replacement?
2014/09/03 14:58:16
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Currently my cpu is causing some fps lag\bottlenecking with games like Diablo III. I think it's mainly trying to catch up to my GTX 770. It's why I was asking about the difference with the cpus. If the 5820K can alleviate those issues at stock clock then I may go X99 instead of Z97.
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Re: 5820K Vs 4790K - Best one as a 2600K replacement?
2014/09/03 15:01:20
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Re: 5820K Vs 4790K - Best one as a 2600K replacement?
2014/09/03 16:46:58
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What's pulling me towards X97 the most is the 4790K's 4.0Ghz out of the box. Plus TRUE dual channel 16 gigabits of memory. I sometimes wonder if upgrading the 4 stick kit from 1333 to 1600 has also hindered some of my pc's performance DESPITE supporting higher memory clocks.
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Re: 5820K Vs 4790K - Best one as a 2600K replacement?
2014/09/03 17:07:29
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The 5820k should be able to hit 4 GHz with barely any effort. Also you should take a look at the Gigabyte GAMING series Z97/X79, and also ASRock.
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Re: 5820K Vs 4790K - Best one as a 2600K replacement?
2014/09/03 17:26:28
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Killmur What's pulling me towards X97 the most is the 4790K's 4.0Ghz out of the box. Plus TRUE dual channel 16 gigabits of memory. I sometimes wonder if upgrading the 4 stick kit from 1333 to 1600 has also hindered some of my pc's performance DESPITE supporting higher memory clocks.
Make that 4.4GHz out of the box. Faster memory should never hinder anything as long as your CPU's IMC can handle the higher speeds.
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Re: 5820K Vs 4790K - Best one as a 2600K replacement?
2014/09/03 17:45:04
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Yea well considering the fact I am using a 60 Series chipset coupled with a proprietary based motherboard it's not surprising this thing actually is having more issues than I thought. It's cause of the USB 3.0 issues that I am giving up and moving on soon. Too many things are hindering this computer. At least it's lasted longer and better than the LGA 775 systems I used to build. And yea I know the 4790K can auto-oc to 4.4 which is good for a non-ocer like me. Another major reason to move away from my Alienware is cause this poorly cooled case is way too much to handle. My poor EVGA ACX card needs a proper home.
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Re: 5820K Vs 4790K - Best one as a 2600K replacement?
2014/09/03 19:53:36
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If you aren't going to overclock at all, the 4790k is definitely going to give more performance, but the issue is that it isn't going to outlast the newer technology if you decide to upgrade later.
The 5820k can easily push up to match, has newer technology, and processes efficiently.
In the end, it comes down to personal decision of quicker base clock and proven technology, or future proofing more upgrades, best technology available to the consumer, and overall functionality improvement.
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Re: 5820K Vs 4790K - Best one as a 2600K replacement?
2014/09/03 20:15:22
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From what I can tell though there are no immediate plans for Intel to phase out the 1150 platform anytime soon or in the next couple of years. They're already planning to release yet another new cpu line next year for the Z97 chipset. If that's the case then I can easily forgo the DDR4 tech and extra 2 cores and instead stick to upgrading to the Z97.
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Re: 5820K Vs 4790K - Best one as a 2600K replacement?
2014/09/03 20:20:57
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Re: 5820K Vs 4790K - Best one as a 2600K replacement?
2014/09/03 20:26:22
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That's what I thought. Sounds like the 1150 platform may be the first Intel mainstream platform that'll last longer than past mainstream platforms. I'll keep a eye on X99 however I think if anything I'll go with X97 since all I do is gaming.
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Re: 5820K Vs 4790K - Best one as a 2600K replacement?
2014/09/03 20:33:42
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z97 is probably your best bet indeed. I want to move into video editing and I do a lot of photo editing, and benchmarking, so I am going to look toward x99 in the very near future.
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Re: 5820K Vs 4790K - Best one as a 2600K replacement?
2014/09/04 01:16:36
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I would have a hard time buying anything right now. DDR4 needs to drop in price a bit... Broadwell will be out soon and that is the refresh for the 1150 socket before it's EOL... at this time, it's more cost effective to just get faster RAM with lower latency on DDR3 than going over to DDR4.
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Re: 5820K Vs 4790K - Best one as a 2600K replacement?
2014/09/04 02:10:50
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regarding gaming right now I don't see any reason to justify upgrade to a X99 rig. X99 will NOT be mainstream for a long time if you ask me, it's just top of the hill. we know how much impact cpu speed, ram speed and cpu cores has on gaming as well. so my personal opinion for gaming is Z97 system is the best choice. any buck spent beyond would not come back as a measurable advantage.
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Re: 5820K Vs 4790K - Best one as a 2600K replacement?
2014/09/04 10:11:58
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sahafiec regarding gaming right now I don't see any reason to justify upgrade to a X99 rig. X99 will NOT be mainstream for a long time if you ask me, it's just top of the hill. we know how much impact cpu speed, ram speed and cpu cores has on gaming as well. so my personal opinion for gaming is Z97 system is the best choice. any buck spent beyond would not come back as a measurable advantage. 
True..kind of. It'll be a major advantage to me since I know my aging system is slowing down some games like Diablo 3 and even Minecraft when modded up. Fact is it's a waste to switch to Z77 as it'll have no improvement at all and is a waste at this point. Not only would going Z97 give me a major speed advantage with the 4.0(4.4)Ghz cpu but I get pure on chip support for USB 3.0 and PCIe 3.0. I definitely am in need of PCIe 3.0 cause I know that 2.0 is holding back my graphics card. This happened before. I ran a 2.0 card on a 1.0 motherboard and soon as I upgraded to a new LGA775 platform my graphics card worked much better.
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Re: 5820K Vs 4790K - Best one as a 2600K replacement?
2014/09/04 12:37:37
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Scarlet-TechI am just not impressed with Asus customer service at this time They have (had?) a poor reputation in the UK too.  Gigabyte always score well for customer service over here - don't know if they do over in the US too..? (and their "Black" boards have a 5-year warranty on them, too  ) KillmurI am leaning towards ASUS since they have some nice X97 options and their X99 Deluxe looks sexy as heck. Indeed - Asus's current non-ROG range of motherboards are the first boards I'd say looked "pretty" (and I do feel more than a little sad saying that...) Scarlet-TechI want to move into video editing and I do a lot of photo editing, and benchmarking, so I am going to look toward x99 in the very near future. Out of curiosity, do you use Adobe Lightroom? The reason I ask is I'm looking to move to it (Nikon discontinued Capture NX 2, and NX-D lacks functionality), and I've heard that its implementation of multi-threading is ... "interesting", and didn't know what your experience of it had been? From what I've heard, it's single-threaded for image editing, but import/exports are multi-threaded, although it won't use all the CPU (but will if you fire off multiple jobs)..?
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Re: 5820K Vs 4790K - Best one as a 2600K replacement?
2014/09/04 12:42:17
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I do not have light room yet. I currently use all of the raw editing software that comes with the camera, and will be upgrading to Adobe as soon as I am able to. I wish I had light room already, as I hear good things about it. I found a good deal on it at the exchange on base... I just don't like purchasing from the exchange.
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Re: 5820K Vs 4790K - Best one as a 2600K replacement?
2014/09/04 13:05:55
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Scarlet-TechI do not have light room yet. Ah, no worries then Scarlet-TechI wish I had light room already, as I hear good things about it. Yeah, a co-worker has it and really likes its functionality (they only have a dual-core home PC, so I can't ask them about threading...).  I've read that there's some performance issues around the catalogue system (apparently, it uses an XML file, rather than a proper DB..?), but they only tend to kick in with large catalogues (I'm around the 17,500 images mark - don't know if that qualifies). P.S. Which camera do you have?
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Re: 5820K Vs 4790K - Best one as a 2600K replacement?
2014/09/04 13:12:05
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I actually like that the non-ROG and non-TUF boards have much better choices which is why I am considering them. I looked at ASROCK and Gigabyte. Nice stuff they have. Does MSI still have a sub-par rep?
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Re: 5820K Vs 4790K - Best one as a 2600K replacement?
2014/09/05 00:09:40
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KillmurDoes MSI still have a sub-par rep? From what I've heard, on here and Tom's Hardware, yes. However, they do make a big thing of their "Military Class" components, they still get good reviews on the reviews sites. My nearly 8-year old PC (see sig) has an MSI motherboard in it, which has yet to give me problems, and a colleague had the exact same motherboard for 6 years before they upgraded to an MSI P67 board, neither of which have given them any problems, so make of that what you will.
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Re: 5820K Vs 4790K - Best one as a 2600K replacement?
2014/09/05 08:34:33
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Thinking about SLI only... 4790k only can do 8x/8x for each PCIE where as the 5820k can do 16x/8x.. Not a huge different but then you throw on the ability for DDR4 too with the 5820k....
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Re: 5820K Vs 4790K - Best one as a 2600K replacement?
2014/09/05 08:52:14
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houkomThinking about SLI only... 4790k only can do 8x/8x for each PCIE where as the 5820k can do 16x/8x.. True, although you could get one of the expensive Z97 motherboards that has a PLX chip on it (which would get you close...kinda*).  Can't remember how much they are - might end up being as expensive as a decent X99 board... * just did a quick search for reviews, and it seems it may get you about half-way to the performance of true x16/x16, or it may make little-to-no difference... houkomNot a huge different but then you throw on the ability for DDR4 too with the 5820k.... DDR4's bandwidth is nice.  I guess the (currently) increased latency isn't harmful to performance (I'm guessing it probably doesn't matter if it takes 10-15% longer for the data to start coming if it's arriving twice as fast when it does start)..?
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Re: 5820K Vs 4790K - Best one as a 2600K replacement?
2014/09/05 08:55:00
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The z97 Classified is the same price as the x99 Classified. The 5820 should work just as well on the x99 FTW, which is cheaper than the Z97 Classified. So... That would be the difference.
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Re: 5820K Vs 4790K - Best one as a 2600K replacement?
2014/09/05 09:06:27
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I have no plans to SLI. It's something that has never interested me at all. I might take a look at what MSI has to offer for Z97. I'll even look into EVGA's offerings. However my top choice will always be ASUS.
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