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2020/09/25 13:48:19 (permalink)
SOLVED:

Edit-Update:

Its my brand new 1000W PSU giving the coil whine.
 
I shoved a mic all around the GPU doing a recording, trying to find the exact spot it was coming from. It was perfectly consistent throughout the card. I decided to close my case and I set the mic down right behind the PSU. The buzzing was 3x louder. So I took it out of the case and ran everything like I have been. 100% confirmed its the PSU. It was buzzing so loud, it echoed through the case and making it sound like it was coming from the GPU. This is the first time I have actually stressed the PSU since I got it, so it probably wasn't visible until it started getting load. Before the 3090 at peak I was pulling maybe 550W on it.

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TLDR: EVGA 3090 FTW - 60%+ power and card gives off electric whine, strong enough to affect sound card 4 slots away.
 
So while troubleshooting my issue with audio whine through the EVGA NU soundcard, I discovered that my 3090 is giving off a boatload of EMI. Enough to affect my audio card 4 slots away. So I took off the side panel of my case and noticed that there is a buzzing/whine from the card sometimes. When the buzzing happens, the noise goes through my speakers as well (EMI). It is not coming from the fans I don't think, because the sound happens even when they are set to 0%. This whine only happens when the power % is above 60% according to the latest Precision. when I first installed the latest precision it updated my firmware.

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdTF48-BmyA
Video description: Video starts off with with precision saying power @ 50%. 6 seconds in it jumps to 100%. That is when the whine starts.



post edited by vgerik1234 - 2020/09/25 19:22:17



 
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Re: 3090 FTW Electric Whine - not fan coil whine? 2020/09/25 13:51:01 (permalink)
Is this was jayztwocents was talking about?
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Re: 3090 FTW Electric Whine - not fan coil whine? 2020/09/25 13:51:23 (permalink)
i believe you but im not hearing it in the video


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Re: 3090 FTW Electric Whine - not fan coil whine? 2020/09/25 13:52:13 (permalink)
Coil whine can be the card's fault, or it could be from the power supply or UPS. If you are using an UPS, try plugging it directly into the wall - if that fixes it, you'll want to get a pure sine wave UPS (the cheaper ones are square wave, and I ran into an issue with one back with 780 Ti Classifieds with a nice 1000W Platinum PSU from Seasonic).
 
If you aren't running 3 different power cables from the power supply to the card, you might want to try that.
 
If that doesn't fix the issue, you can set a FPS cap. Really high FPS can cause coil whine. 
 
You can try a different power supply (a friend's PC maybe?).
 
You can also run a game that causes the coil whine over night to "break in" the card. It may or may not help.
 
Last option would be an RMA.

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Re: 3090 FTW Electric Whine - not fan coil whine? 2020/09/25 13:52:21 (permalink)
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i believe you but im not hearing it in the video




Turn up the audio and wait till the 6s mark. 



 
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Re: 3090 FTW Electric Whine - not fan coil whine? 2020/09/25 13:54:09 (permalink)
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Coil whine can be the card's fault, or it could be from the power supply or UPS. If you are using an UPS, try plugging it directly into the wall - if that fixes it, you'll want to get a pure sine wave UPS (the cheaper ones are square wave, and I ran into an issue with one back with 780 Ti Classifieds with a nice 1000W Platinum PSU from Seasonic).
 
If that doesn't fix the issue, you can set a FPS cap. Really high FPS can cause coil whine. 
 
You can try a different power supply (a friend's PC maybe?).
 
You can also run a game that causes the coil whine over night to "break in" the card. It may or may not help.
 
Last option would be an RMA.



The whine is 100% based on what the power usage/% is. This is a brand new EVGA 1000w G+. I am using a power strip, not a UPS. I will try and go direct into the wall to see if that helps though.

Edit: Still happens straight from the wall.
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Re: 3090 FTW Electric Whine - not fan coil whine? 2020/09/25 13:56:28 (permalink)
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Coil whine can be the card's fault, or it could be from the power supply or UPS. If you are using an UPS, try plugging it directly into the wall - if that fixes it, you'll want to get a pure sine wave UPS (the cheaper ones are square wave, and I ran into an issue with one back with 780 Ti Classifieds with a nice 1000W Platinum PSU from Seasonic).
 
If that doesn't fix the issue, you can set a FPS cap. Really high FPS can cause coil whine. 
 
You can try a different power supply (a friend's PC maybe?).
 
You can also run a game that causes the coil whine over night to "break in" the card. It may or may not help.
 
Last option would be an RMA.



The whine is 100% based on what the power usage/% is. This is a brand new EVGA 1000w G+. I am using a power strip, not a UPS. I will try and go direct into the wall to see if that helps though.


I edited in "If you aren't running 3 different power cables from the power supply to the card, you might want to try that." while you were replying.

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Re: 3090 FTW Electric Whine - not fan coil whine? 2020/09/25 13:57:48 (permalink)
I am running 3 independent cables. Also, straight to wall didn't help.
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Re: 3090 FTW Electric Whine - not fan coil whine? 2020/09/25 13:58:33 (permalink)
you defiantly want a dedicated plug for a 1000 watt ps

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Re: 3090 FTW Electric Whine - not fan coil whine? 2020/09/25 14:00:38 (permalink)
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Coil whine can be the card's fault, or it could be from the power supply or UPS. If you are using an UPS, try plugging it directly into the wall - if that fixes it, you'll want to get a pure sine wave UPS (the cheaper ones are square wave, and I ran into an issue with one back with 780 Ti Classifieds with a nice 1000W Platinum PSU from Seasonic).
 
If that doesn't fix the issue, you can set a FPS cap. Really high FPS can cause coil whine. 
 
You can try a different power supply (a friend's PC maybe?).
 
You can also run a game that causes the coil whine over night to "break in" the card. It may or may not help.
 
Last option would be an RMA.



The whine is 100% based on what the power usage/% is. This is a brand new EVGA 1000w G+. I am using a power strip, not a UPS. I will try and go direct into the wall to see if that helps though.


I edited in "If you aren't running 3 different power cables from the power supply to the card, you might want to try that." while you were replying.


most likely wont change anything
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Re: 3090 FTW Electric Whine - not fan coil whine? 2020/09/25 14:03:06 (permalink)
some cards just have coil whine. it's been this way for a long time. the whine comes from the power delivery circuitry, not the fans.
 
i also don't hear it in your video, with speakers at 100%
 
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Re: 3090 FTW Electric Whine - not fan coil whine? 2020/09/25 14:04:14 (permalink)
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some cards just have coil whine. it's been this way for a long time.
 
i also don't hear it in your video, with speakers at 100%
 


I had to turn up my 1500 watt 5.1.2 system quite a bit, but it's there.

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Re: 3090 FTW Electric Whine - not fan coil whine? 2020/09/25 14:05:55 (permalink)
I get coil/electric whine happens, but the fact it's so bad that its affecting my audio card with EMI 4 slots away is pretty insane. With my side panel off, I can hear it everywhere in my office. With the case closed, I can still hear 3ft away, now that I know what I am looking for :(



 
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Re: 3090 FTW Electric Whine - not fan coil whine? 2020/09/25 14:08:13 (permalink)
Better sell your cards to me.
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Re: 3090 FTW Electric Whine - not fan coil whine? 2020/09/25 14:12:50 (permalink)
I heard it in my headphones 

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Re: 3090 FTW Electric Whine - not fan coil whine? 2020/09/25 14:14:38 (permalink)
I had a ftw 2080 super that did the same thing. ended up taking it back to microcenter
 

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Re: 3090 FTW Electric Whine - not fan coil whine? 2020/09/25 14:15:14 (permalink)
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some cards just have coil whine. it's been this way for a long time.
 
i also don't hear it in your video, with speakers at 100%
 


I had to turn up my 1500 watt 5.1.2 system quite a bit, but it's there.



The microphone on my phone probably didn't pick up all the frequencies its hitting. But it is LOUDDDD at 100% power. With the side of my case off, I can hear it in the hallway 10+ feet away. 



 
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Re: 3090 FTW Electric Whine - not fan coil whine? 2020/09/25 14:33:13 (permalink)
I am gonna run it at 100% for a bit to "burn it in". Hopefully it will tone down after a bit. My biggest issue is the whole EMI causing humming in my audioengine speakers :( My studio headphones somehow aren't picking the EMI up. Both being run from the EVGA NU. 

Edit: Whine cannot be heard if I have headphones on and side panel closed at least. So it only affects me if I am trying to game w/ speakers or do any rendering work :\
post edited by vgerik1234 - 2020/09/25 14:40:59



 
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Re: 3090 FTW Electric Whine - not fan coil whine? 2020/09/25 14:47:31 (permalink)
I can hear something but no whine. Guess my ears suck.. The 3080 XC2 issue with the fans beeping, THAT I heard loud and clear in the requisite video. lol
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Re: 3090 FTW Electric Whine - not fan coil whine? 2020/09/25 15:06:03 (permalink)
I hope everything works out for you

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Re: 3090 FTW Electric Whine - not fan coil whine? 2020/09/25 15:06:30 (permalink)
Based on the video your issue doesn't sound as loud/severe but I noticed this was very common in my time spent with 2080Ti's. I had 4-5 different 2080Ti's and they all had varying degrees of VRM/inductor noise, more like a mechanical chirping/switching sound, not a coil-whine. EVGA FTW3 and MSI Lightning were the worst, even my Kingpin had it.
 
Hopefully it is not the same experience with the 3000 series. FWIW based on the PCB's I've seen thus far the Strix cards seems to use the highest quality parts.
 
*Edit - An interesting watch... maybe related maybe not.
 

 
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Re: 3090 FTW Electric Whine - not fan coil whine? 2020/09/25 15:38:46 (permalink)
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Based on the video your issue doesn't sound as loud/severe but I noticed this was very common in my time spent with 2080Ti's. I had 4-5 different 2080Ti's and they all had varying degrees of VRM/inductor noise, more like a mechanical chirping/switching sound, not a coil-whine. EVGA FTW3 and MSI Lightning were the worst, even my Kingpin had it.
 
Hopefully it is not the same experience with the 3000 series. FWIW based on the PCB's I've seen thus far the Strix cards seems to use the highest quality parts.
 
*Edit - An interesting watch... maybe related maybe not.
 

 



The video seems that is mostly related only to OC'ing stability. On the plus side, my OC'ing hasn't been a problem.  

The noise is much louder than the video makes it sound. After running 100% power draw for a while now testing OC's, I think the noise is getting better, but it still is pretty loud. Until an EVGA person chimes in, I have basically done all that is possible and will just keep breaking it in. 

On the super plus side, the studio drivers let me game and the 3090 is a life changer vs my old 980ti :D



 
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Re: 3090 FTW Electric Whine - not fan coil whine? 2020/09/25 15:42:03 (permalink)
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Based on the video your issue doesn't sound as loud/severe but I noticed this was very common in my time spent with 2080Ti's. I had 4-5 different 2080Ti's and they all had varying degrees of VRM/inductor noise, more like a mechanical chirping/switching sound, not a coil-whine. EVGA FTW3 and MSI Lightning were the worst, even my Kingpin had it.
 
Hopefully it is not the same experience with the 3000 series. FWIW based on the PCB's I've seen thus far the Strix cards seems to use the highest quality parts.
 
*Edit - An interesting watch... maybe related maybe not.
 

 



The video seems that is mostly related only to OC'ing stability. On the plus side, my OC'ing hasn't been a problem.  

The noise is much louder than the video makes it sound. After running 100% power draw for a while now testing OC's, I think the noise is getting better, but it still is pretty loud. Until an EVGA person chimes in, I have basically done all that is possible and will just keep breaking it in. 

On the super plus side, the studio drivers let me game and the 3090 is a life changer vs my old 980ti :D




980Ti to 3090? Wow, that's a HUGE upgrade, enjoy! I'm keeping a close eye on what Jay just reported, I'm not spending a dime until someone speaks up from the manufacturer side!
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Re: 3090 FTW Electric Whine - not fan coil whine? 2020/09/25 15:53:11 (permalink)
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I am gonna run it at 100% for a bit to "burn it in". Hopefully it will tone down after a bit. My biggest issue is the whole EMI causing humming in my audioengine speakers :( My studio headphones somehow aren't picking the EMI up. Both being run from the EVGA NU. 

Edit: Whine cannot be heard if I have headphones on and side panel closed at least. So it only affects me if I am trying to game w/ speakers or do any rendering work :\


 

 the reason your headphones arent picking it up is probably because theyre shielded. get a better speaker cable, but just to be sure, plug your headphones into all of your audio out jacks to rule out EMI to the audio processor.


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Re: 3090 FTW Electric Whine - not fan coil whine? 2020/09/25 15:55:42 (permalink)
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980Ti to 3090? Wow, that's a HUGE upgrade, enjoy! I'm keeping a close eye on what Jay just reported, I'm not spending a dime until someone speaks up from the manufacturer side!



Yeah, for now just having a new GPU is making me insanely happy. The coil whine is annoying, but no point in doing an RMA (if it is faulty) until there is some manufacturer confirmation and a known fix. If I did try and RMA now, I would just get another 1st batch which would probably be affected the same. No rush, just gotta adapt for the time being and hope there is a solution in the future. I hope its just a burn in thing to lower the whine to a non-issue level. 



 
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Re: 3090 FTW Electric Whine - not fan coil whine? 2020/09/25 15:57:39 (permalink)
I received a 3090 FTW3 Ultra and I haven't experienced any of that coil whine or EMI affecting audio, been testing for a couple hours now to beat on it. Hopefully they let you RMA if you can't resolve it.

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Re: 3090 FTW Electric Whine - not fan coil whine? 2020/09/25 16:06:56 (permalink)
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I am gonna run it at 100% for a bit to "burn it in". Hopefully it will tone down after a bit. My biggest issue is the whole EMI causing humming in my audioengine speakers :( My studio headphones somehow aren't picking the EMI up. Both being run from the EVGA NU. 

Edit: Whine cannot be heard if I have headphones on and side panel closed at least. So it only affects me if I am trying to game w/ speakers or do any rendering work :\


 

the reason your headphones arent picking it up is probably because theyre shielded. get a better speaker cable, but just to be sure, plug your headphones into all of your audio out jacks to rule out EMI to the audio processor.





I sandwiched 2mm of aluminum foil between two pieces of cardboard and placed it on top of the audio card, the EMI static noise dropped by more than half. So... yeah definitely EMI. I am gonna double the foil and then figure out how to mount it above the soundcard without having it touch. Don't want cardboard to catch on fire somehow.
 



 
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Re: 3090 FTW Electric Whine - not fan coil whine? 2020/09/25 16:25:03 (permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnLwCg04hUI

Here is a 2nd video. Coil whine starts at 2s into it. I tried to lower the fans enough where it wouldn't block the sound but not burn out the card.


It is NOT coming from the exposed back area of the card. It definitely is coming from the front of the board some where, or all over it. It still happens with the fans set to 0%. It still happens with LED off. So its only occurring when power usage is over 60%. 

As for the EMI, cardboard + aluminum foil helps for the sound card, just worried about a fire hazard and have to figure out a solution for now.



 
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Re: 3090 FTW Electric Whine - not fan coil whine? 2020/09/25 16:38:08 (permalink)
It's because you are a vertical cameraman barbarian....
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Re: 3090 FTW Electric Whine - not fan coil whine? 2020/09/25 16:46:32 (permalink)
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TLDR: EVGA 3090 FTW - 60%+ power and card gives off electric whine, strong enough to affect sound card 4 slots away.
 
So while troubleshooting my issue with audio whine through the EVGA NU soundcard, I discovered that my 3090 is giving off a boatload of EMI. Enough to affect my audio card 4 slots away. So I took off the side panel of my case and noticed that there is a buzzing/whine from the card sometimes. When the buzzing happens, the noise goes through my speakers as well (EMI). It is not coming from the fans I don't think, because the sound happens even when they are set to 0%. This whine only happens when the power % is above 60% according to the latest Precision. when I first installed the latest precision it updated my firmware.

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdTF48-BmyA
Video description: Video starts off with with precision saying power @ 50%. 6 seconds in it jumps to 100%. That is when the whine starts.




Try installing Precision X1 ( the one for 3000 series ) when I did and rebooted and started it up there was a bios update for my 3090 FTW3 Ultra, maybe it will help.

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