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Re: 3080ti xc3 2021/07/20 08:22:20 (permalink)
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The difference wont be more than 2-3 fps at most. You can see a comparison between the two GPUs here
https://hothardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-ti-review?page=3
 
Your card is working fine kongfra. You'll get really good performance is every task. Despite the XC3 performing a little under the FE, it is significantly cheaper than the FTW3 and the extra performance (3-6% in games) you get from the FTW3 is not worth $200 IMO.




 
That is what I thought, yeah I am not worried about 1-2 FPS, and won't lose any sleep or regret my purchase at all.  Besides so far the 3080TI XC3 runs super cool compared to my older 980TI, and just looks and runs amazing in every game I tried @ 1440P.  Even tempted to get a 4K monitor but on the fence if I want to spend more money right now, maybe a Christmas present to myself at end of year. 
 
If I did not even see this thread I would not have thought twice or even known about the issue.  I was glad when my notify queue email to order came up and it was the base model to save money.  I was afraid it would have been the top end cards and would have had to made a real hard decision if I wanted to spend that much more.  This was an easy decision as soon as I got my email.


speedysloth talks out his backside, he has not a clue what he is talking about when it comes to the 3080 Ti XC3 card. You card is not performing anywhere near a stock 3080 Ti FE card. It may seem like it's playing fine compared to what you used to have, but you are NOT getting what you paid for.
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Re: 3080ti xc3 2021/07/20 08:38:12 (permalink)
Truthfully I don't understand, the reviews and benchmarks show it all especially in gaming which is what really counts the most.  Maybe i am losing 1-2 FPS but in the scheme of things that is nothing?


Can you tell me how that is horrendous and not performing compared to a FE, but it so minute the difference I just don't get it

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Re: 3080ti xc3 2021/07/20 08:39:43 (permalink)
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i just downloaded the latest drivers today that enabled I think DLSS for Red Dead Redemption 2 and played with 3080TI XCc, temps high 70's , FPS was 100 on average is that good for 1440p?  All I know is the game played fantastic and looked amazing.
 
 leaps and bounds better then my old 980TI.  I can't compare it to any other 3080TI, but I am just happy to get the card at MSRP 
 
 
Also what program do you use to see how much power it is drawing? I am curious what my card draws in power?
 
EDIT: nevermind I just ran 3dmark quick test Time Spy with HWINFO and shows my maximum GPU power was 348 TDP, I don't know if that is good or bad.  The score was 18704


Stock Nvidia 3080 Ti FE card. Do you like paying 3080 Ti FE price and getting less performance?
 



So do we have any idea if a bios update or some type of driver will fix the issue or is this hardware and those that have the card are SOL? I can live with a sub optimal performing card if it will get fixed. this 6800 isn't doing me any good but I don't wanna pay almost triple that price to get same/worse results that will never improve

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Re: 3080ti xc3 2021/07/20 08:49:49 (permalink)
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Can you tell me how that is horrendous and not performing compared to a FE, but it so minute the difference I just don't get it



Some people here are just crybabies - its within the margin of error and won't be a noticeable difference between any 2-power PCIe connector card.
 
It takes a 3-power PCIe connector card to make a meaningful improvement in performance, all 3080+ cards are held back with 2-connector configurations.  There are some better and worse cards within each category but its not worth fussing about.  Enjoy your card and don't let others tell you its under-performing - life is far too short to worry about such small matters.  There are many others that would happily buy any 3080 Ti they can get!
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Re: 3080ti xc3 2021/07/20 08:52:56 (permalink)
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Can you tell me how that is horrendous and not performing compared to a FE, but it so minute the difference I just don't get it



Some people here are just crybabies - its within the margin of error and won't be a noticeable difference between any 2-power PCIe connector card.
 
It takes a 3-power PCIe connector card to make a meaningful improvement in performance, all 3080+ cards are held back with 2-connector configurations.  There are some better and worse cards within each category but its not worth fussing about.  Enjoy your card and don't let others tell you its under-performing - life is far too short to worry about such small matters.  There are many others that would happily buy any 3080 Ti they can get!




 
Yeah I felt like I hit the lottery when I got that email to buy a 3080 TI at MSRP, my preference was a base 3080 @ MSRP, but been waiting since dec 2020 on notify list, so when I got that email from EVGA, I jumped up for joy!!! Built a brand new rig coming from a i5 3570k that was from 2012, and a 980TI, my rig is like night and day difference, and should not have to upgrade anytime soon.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
post edited by kongfra - 2021/07/20 08:54:23

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Re: 3080ti xc3 2021/07/20 08:54:20 (permalink)
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Truthfully I don't understand, the reviews and benchmarks show it all especially in gaming which is what really counts the most.  Maybe i am losing 1-2 FPS but in the scheme of things that is nothing?


Can you tell me how that is horrendous and not performing compared to a FE, but it so minute the difference I just don't get it


If you're okay with paying the price for the performance of a 3080 Ti FE card and not getting it, then that's your choice. You are more then 1-2 FPS off the 3080 TI FE card's performance.
 
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i just downloaded the latest drivers today that enabled I think DLSS for Red Dead Redemption 2 and played with 3080TI XCc, temps high 70's , FPS was 100 on average is that good for 1440p?  All I know is the game played fantastic and looked amazing.
 
 leaps and bounds better then my old 980TI.  I can't compare it to any other 3080TI, but I am just happy to get the card at MSRP 
 
 
Also what program do you use to see how much power it is drawing? I am curious what my card draws in power?
 
EDIT: nevermind I just ran 3dmark quick test Time Spy with HWINFO and shows my maximum GPU power was 348 TDP, I don't know if that is good or bad.  The score was 18704


Stock Nvidia 3080 Ti FE card. Do you like paying 3080 Ti FE price and getting less performance?
 



So do we have any idea if a bios update or some type of driver will fix the issue or is this hardware and those that have the card are SOL? I can live with a sub optimal performing card if it will get fixed. this 6800 isn't doing me any good but I don't wanna pay almost triple that price to get same/worse results that will never improve


EVGA won't even address this issue.
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Re: 3080ti xc3 2021/07/20 09:21:07 (permalink)
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Yeah I felt like I hit the lottery when I got that email to buy a 3080 TI at MSRP, my preference was a base 3080 @ MSRP, but been waiting since dec 2020 on notify list, so when I got that email from EVGA, I jumped up for joy!!!



Felt the same way when I got to order a 3080 XC3 from Best Buy in Jan...  before the price adjustment too.  If the secondary market for used cards wasn't so crazy, its doubtful I'd have a 3080 Ti now...  the price to upgrade isn't worth the performance gains.
 
If you want to get a bit of a performance boost, I would recommend undervolting the card with an overclock.  850mV is a good spot to start for the 2-connector XC cards for the undervolt, you want to raise that point to +165 core on the curve, and move all points past the undervolt down a bit (-150 should do).  +800 on memory is a safe starting point as well.  Max out the power limit as far as it will allow.  Do this in Afterburner - Precision X1 doesn't support multiple point selection on the VF curve.  A tuned card will always give you better benchmark scores and avoiding the power limit cap leads to more consistent in game performance as core clocks won't fluctuate as much.
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Re: 3080ti xc3 2021/07/20 09:21:24 (permalink)
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If you're okay with paying the price for the performance of a 3080 Ti FE card and not getting it, then that's your choice. You are more then 1-2 FPS off the 3080 TI FE card's performance.
 
 



 
Other then 3d mark benchmark just curious can you show me something that refutes this link that someone previously posted?
 
https://hothardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-ti-review?page=3
 
If you look in games it showing 1-2 FPS here and there.
 
Am I happy paying $1200 for a video card?  Not really I remember years ago when I bought my 980TI I think it was $599 or $699, can't remember and was the top card in 2015, I got it on release day, it seems prices for top end video card have gone significantly up.
 
But I don't blame this on EVGA, it just seems to be NVDA and the market as a whole.  Now if the card was significantly reduced in performance with issues compared to same type of card from other vendors then yeah I would be really disappointed, but just not seeing it based on reviews, and yes I can't compare to any other card, since this is the only build I got.  Well except my old i5 3570 , 980TI LOL
 
Your saying it more then 1-2 FPS, I just don't see that based on that review, and I agree someone said earlier when it comes to testing and benchmarks there is always margin of error.  I know when the 3080TI was released and all the reviews came out they said price/performance not worth it compared to a 3080 in general and I agree, but times are tough between crypto, and chip shortage, and in the end I am happy with what I got since that is all that was available. I felt EVGA overall did the best out of any vendor with their queue system, as opposed to other retailers and the bots and scalpers.
 
Anyway I don't think much more to say, and will just enjoy my gaming with my 3080TI XC, especially looking forward to the new battlefield in october, I was barely able to play BF5, but that probably was due to being bottlenecked with my processor then anything else.  Now Battlefield 5 looks and feels like a whole new game!

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Re: 3080ti xc3 2021/07/20 09:29:03 (permalink)
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Yeah I felt like I hit the lottery when I got that email to buy a 3080 TI at MSRP, my preference was a base 3080 @ MSRP, but been waiting since dec 2020 on notify list, so when I got that email from EVGA, I jumped up for joy!!!



Felt the same way when I got to order a 3080 XC3 from Best Buy in Jan...  before the price adjustment too.  If the secondary market for used cards wasn't so crazy, its doubtful I'd have a 3080 Ti now...  the price to upgrade isn't worth the performance gains.
 
If you want to get a bit of a performance boost, I would recommend undervolting the card with an overclock.  850mV is a good spot to start for the 2-connector XC cards for the undervolt, you want to raise that point to +165 core on the curve, and move all points past the undervolt down a bit (-150 should do).  +800 on memory is a safe starting point as well.  Max out the power limit as far as it will allow.  Do this in Afterburner - Precision X1 doesn't support multiple point selection on the VF curve.  A tuned card will always give you better benchmark scores and avoiding the power limit cap leads to more consistent in game performance as core clocks won't fluctuate as much.




 
I will be honest I never in the past done any sort of overclocking, undervolting with video cards.  I have with CPU. I always found them fast enough not to worry when I first get them, and by the time there is an isse I am usually looking to upgrade anyway.  In fact I had to undervolt my I9-10850K, because out of the box my gigabyte mobo was heating this CPU up way too much and sending it 1.4 VCORE on average just at stock, my CPU temps were super high, I since set an adaptive vcore and now temps are much better 60-70 while gaming, I probably can get it lower, but haven't had time to play with it much.
 
One question, I have been using Precision only because to control the fans since from what I understand MSI Afterburner can't control the 3 fans is that still true?  Do you have both running at the same time? Does that cause issues?  I do prefer Afterburner I used that all the time with 980TI and it worked great.
 
 

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Re: 3080ti xc3 2021/07/20 11:05:47 (permalink)
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i just downloaded the latest drivers today that enabled I think DLSS for Red Dead Redemption 2 and played with 3080TI XCc, temps high 70's , FPS was 100 on average is that good for 1440p?  All I know is the game played fantastic and looked amazing.
 
 leaps and bounds better then my old 980TI.  I can't compare it to any other 3080TI, but I am just happy to get the card at MSRP 
 
 
Also what program do you use to see how much power it is drawing? I am curious what my card draws in power?
 
EDIT: nevermind I just ran 3dmark quick test Time Spy with HWINFO and shows my maximum GPU power was 348 TDP, I don't know if that is good or bad.  The score was 18704


Stock Nvidia 3080 Ti FE card. Do you like paying 3080 Ti FE price and getting less performance?
 



It is either this Jayztwocents guy played with the powertarget slider, or he got a top bin from NVIDIA. But an average 3080 Ti FE at stock will score in the high 18k or low 19k in 3DMark TS, among most trusted review sites I've seen.
From what I've noticed from the scatterd posts in the threads here, is that the XC3 usually scores in the mid 18k. An average press review 3080 Ti FE scores 19200 marks, and an average XC3 scores 18500 in 3DMark TS, that makes the FE around 3.7% faster. Whether this difference is worth it or not is up to the person, but there is one known fact is that the XC3 was consistantly behind the FE across all the benchmarks hothardware tested, it is a tiny difference, but it was replicable. 
https://hothardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-ti-review?page=3
To be fair unless you bench, it is unlikely you will notice the difference in real world, it is like comparing 50 to 51 fps, but this basically makes the XC3 not a benchmark friendly card, that's why most review sites get the FTW3 and the XC3 gets ignored. 
 
 
 
 
 

post edited by hallmark888 - 2021/07/20 13:39:54
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Re: 3080ti xc3 2021/07/20 13:28:40 (permalink)
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i just downloaded the latest drivers today that enabled I think DLSS for Red Dead Redemption 2 and played with 3080TI XCc, temps high 70's , FPS was 100 on average is that good for 1440p?  All I know is the game played fantastic and looked amazing.
 
 leaps and bounds better then my old 980TI.  I can't compare it to any other 3080TI, but I am just happy to get the card at MSRP 
 
 
Also what program do you use to see how much power it is drawing? I am curious what my card draws in power?
 
EDIT: nevermind I just ran 3dmark quick test Time Spy with HWINFO and shows my maximum GPU power was 348 TDP, I don't know if that is good or bad.  The score was 18704


Stock Nvidia 3080 Ti FE card. Do you like paying 3080 Ti FE price and getting less performance?
 



It is either this Jayztwocents guy played with the powertarget slider, or he got a top bin from NVIDIA. But an average 3080 Ti FE at stock will score in the high 18k or low 19k in 3DMark TS, among most trusted review sites I've seen.
From what I've noticed from the scatterd posts in the threads here, is that the XC3 usually scores in the mid 18k. An average press review 3080 Ti FE scores 19200 marks and and an average XC3 scores 18500 on 3DMark TS, that makes the FE around 3.7% faster. Whether this difference is worth it or not is up to the person, but there is one known fact is that the XC3 was consistantly behind the FE across all the benchmarks hothardware tested, it is a tiny difference, but it was replicable. 
https://hothardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-ti-review?page=3
To be fair unless you bench, it is unlikely you will notice the difference in real world, it is like comparing 50 to 51 fps, but this basically makes the XC3 not a benchmark friendly card, that's why most review sites get the FTW3 and the XC3 gets ignored. 
 
 
 
 
 





 
That makes sense to me for reviewers and benchmarks but for real world gaming, I doubt anyone will see a difference 

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