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Re: 3080ti ftw3 undervolting 2021/08/10 09:24:33 (permalink)
Hey do you think it's worth taking apart my Xc3 3080 ti hybrid and replace the thermal pads and thermal paste to more of a premium ones to get better thermals?
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Re: 3080ti ftw3 undervolting 2021/08/10 09:29:37 (permalink)
Well, are you happy with the temps? If so, no?
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Re: 3080ti ftw3 undervolting 2021/08/10 09:39:58 (permalink)
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Hey do you think it's worth taking apart my Xc3 3080 ti hybrid and replace the thermal pads and thermal paste to more of a premium ones to get better thermals?




YES.
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Re: 3080ti ftw3 undervolting 2021/08/10 20:31:09 (permalink)
Has anyone try to undervolt their 3080Ti card below 812mV and core memory below 1093.75mhz or 17.5Gbps memory bandwidth? I've eVGA 3070Ti but would be good to know if 3080Ti behaves the same too. I'm using both MSI AB 4.6.4 beta 3 and Precision X1 and I'm unable to get both to work. I'm not gaming or mining but running distributed computing (maybe quite close to mining) projects and trying to figure out the efficiency curve. Thanks in advance. 
 
P.S. I know there is a min limit and I think it should be able to go lower. Maybe this is defined in nvidia P-states or perhaps there is a way to tweak via nvidia-smi tool?
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Re: 3080ti ftw3 undervolting 2021/08/10 20:51:44 (permalink)
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Has anyone try to undervolt their 3080Ti card below 812mV and core memory below 1093.75mhz or 17.5Gbps memory bandwidth? I've eVGA 3070Ti but would be good to know if 3080Ti behaves the same too. I'm using both MSI AB 4.6.4 beta 3 and Precision X1 and I'm unable to get both to work. I'm not gaming or mining but running distributed computing (maybe quite close to mining) projects and trying to figure out the efficiency curve. Thanks in advance. 
 
P.S. I know there is a min limit and I think it should be able to go lower. Maybe this is defined in nvidia P-states or perhaps there is a way to tweak via nvidia-smi tool?




The EVGA 3080 FTW3 bottoms out at 725mv (sometimes 731mv) and the 3080 Ti FTW3 at 750mv (sometimes 756mv).  There may be a lower p-state between there and idle.
 
On a 3070 Ti, if you get below the 812mv it can run in the 600mv range at a lower p-state, at say 495-600 mhz.
 
All GDDR6X Ampere cards go to a tick below 17.5Gbps as far as I know.
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Re: 3080ti ftw3 undervolting 2021/08/12 00:30:38 (permalink)
Are there any teaching articles about undervolt? Does this also do well to 3070ti?
 
 
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Re: 3080ti ftw3 undervolting 2021/08/12 08:17:02 (permalink)
Google "MSI Afterburner undervolt ampere"
 
However, I couldn't find any website that discusses undervolting below 800mV for ampere. My card (evga 3070 ti) doesn't seem able to tweak below ~810mV. I'm not sure if this is specific to my model or not. However I'm able to do this on 3060 and 1080 ti.
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Re: 3080ti ftw3 undervolting 2021/08/12 23:14:47 (permalink)
i put 50 hours in new world on my 3080ti ftw3 ultra at 875mv at 1900mhz. barely noticed any fps difference. yet my temp went from 80c to 70c. 
 
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Re: 3080ti ftw3 undervolting 2021/08/13 09:01:53 (permalink)
The frequency drops off fast below ~812mV on my 3080Ti. I've got it to run at 775mV, however, it doesn't really seem like it liked it. Almost seemed like it couldn't decide what power state to run in. Sometimes it would drop to like 400MHz and stutter like crazy in game. I ended up in the 812mV@1800MHz range where it was around 300W and VERY close to stock performance.
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Re: 3080ti ftw3 undervolting 2021/08/15 08:16:26 (permalink)
So I just did a 30 min capture of Bright Memory Infinite Ray tracing to get my bases. I saw an average of 1804mhz with a top boost of 1950. My voltages were average 971mV and peaked at 1080mV. Any suggestions on where to start tweaking based on those?
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Re: 3080ti ftw3 undervolting 2021/08/15 15:24:59 (permalink)
Overclock to get more performance

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Re: 3080ti ftw3 undervolting 2021/08/15 16:04:26 (permalink)
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Overclock to get more performance




Undervolt to get virtually the same performance and reduce your cooling bill
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Re: 3080ti ftw3 undervolting 2021/08/15 16:13:45 (permalink)
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Undervolt to get virtually the same performance and reduce your cooling bill



If a person is a green tree hugger or has heat issues or wants to save a few bucks then yes go for the undervolting.  I'd rather use more juice and a bit of heat and get more performance.  Why hold back performance?  Let the horse run free.  There are many variables to consider though, location/ambient temps/the rest of the build/etc so really people do what works best for you and your life.  If not a serious gamer or spend a bunch of time on a computer sure it might make sense.  I always suggest trying a bunch of stuff, overclocking/undervolting/etc and find what fits your lifestyle as there is no right or wrong.
 
If only car and computer enthusiasts could meet and talk about why they do what they do and have a mutual understanding.  I don't see many people reducing horsepower... (sure there are the fuel consumption people but my 383 SBC gets 8-14MPG and I love it)
 
Edit: adjusted MPG, I'm not always redlining it. 
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Re: 3080ti ftw3 undervolting 2021/08/15 18:11:47 (permalink)
What’s funny is that an undervolt actually exposes how poor it runs stock. With 70 watts less power consumption, a lot less heat and fan speed requirement your Timespy graphics score will actually increase. More horsepower on less fuel!
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Re: 3080ti ftw3 undervolting 2021/08/16 07:11:33 (permalink)
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gpu temps only tell half the story
games utilizing the entire gpu(rtx and dlss) most certainly can and will max out the power limit,even with a custom voltage curve
If the vram is not sufficiently cooled (low fan speed,poor air flow) it will overheat without you even realizing it.
 




Can't stress the enough.  Put my 1300w Seasonic Prime into protect shutdown while locking 1V and 2,040 mhz on a DX11 game in 4K VRR at ~425w.  Some of these newer games with poor optimization (like New World) can easily produce a full power load at .9V vcore, or even less.  So if can't cool your card properly, set your power limit to actually restrict temps, not undervolt.


I've a feeling "The Ascent", a new game from a small Swedish studio, is a similar story. The game runs like an absolute dog on DX12 with Ray Tracing on, and my 3090 acts weird. GPU utilisation all over the place, framerates and frametimes all over the place, a creaky sort of coil whine that I never normally hear. The temps themselves look absolutely fine (58C GPU, 82C memory junction), but I've stopped playing until they release some patches because I can tell my system is having a horrible time trying to run it

Are there sensors you could monitor / link the fan curve to in order to safe guard against this? Or are these components you are suggesting don't have thermal sensors so you're basically flying blind?
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Re: 3080ti ftw3 undervolting 2021/08/16 08:09:42 (permalink)
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What’s funny is that an undervolt actually exposes how poor it runs stock. With 70 watts less power consumption, a lot less heat and fan speed requirement your Timespy graphics score will actually increase. More horsepower on less fuel!



What these high power cards expose is how poorly most people's PCs are set up for cooling.
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Re: 3080ti ftw3 undervolting 2021/08/16 08:34:43 (permalink)
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What’s funny is that an undervolt actually exposes how poor it runs stock. With 70 watts less power consumption, a lot less heat and fan speed requirement your Timespy graphics score will actually increase. More horsepower on less fuel!



What these high power cards expose is how poorly most people's PCs are set up for cooling.

Not if its heating up a room. That heat is getting removed from the computer quite nicely.
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Re: 3080ti ftw3 undervolting 2021/08/16 08:40:42 (permalink)
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What’s funny is that an undervolt actually exposes how poor it runs stock. With 70 watts less power consumption, a lot less heat and fan speed requirement your Timespy graphics score will actually increase. More horsepower on less fuel!



What these high power cards expose is how poorly most people's PCs are set up for cooling.

Not if its heating up a room. That heat is getting removed from the computer quite nicely.



If you can't handle a 100w difference in PC heat production, you should work on your room cooling / venting solution.
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Re: 3080ti ftw3 undervolting 2021/08/16 08:45:43 (permalink)
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What’s funny is that an undervolt actually exposes how poor it runs stock. With 70 watts less power consumption, a lot less heat and fan speed requirement your Timespy graphics score will actually increase. More horsepower on less fuel!



What these high power cards expose is how poorly most people's PCs are set up for cooling.


I agree. Some mods are built without enough thought about PC case air circulation. 

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Re: 3080ti ftw3 undervolting 2021/08/16 08:56:13 (permalink)
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What’s funny is that an undervolt actually exposes how poor it runs stock. With 70 watts less power consumption, a lot less heat and fan speed requirement your Timespy graphics score will actually increase. More horsepower on less fuel!



What these high power cards expose is how poorly most people's PCs are set up for cooling.

Not if its heating up a room. That heat is getting removed from the computer quite nicely.



If you can't handle a 100w difference in PC heat production, you should work on your room cooling / venting solution.


If I'm running 7680x1440@144hz and maintaining 144 FPS **** would I crank up to 200 fps and bump down the AC when the difference can not be seen?
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Re: 3080ti ftw3 undervolting 2021/08/30 18:20:02 (permalink)
This is interesting stuff.
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Re: 3080ti ftw3 undervolting 2021/08/31 20:02:38 (permalink)
Its kinda hard to do a balance of a good overclock with undervolting. Its one of those fine tuning things to find exactly where your card is most stable where performance is increased while also trying to get better overall temps. 

The balancing act is tedious, but for me its quite fun. 

Currently got a somewhat stable .943mv at 2010Mhz, with +1150Mem through AB, but I'm experiencing some minor issues with random frame drops or slo-mo just with something like youtube or twitch every now and then - whether multi-tasking a game on main monitor and watching video on 2nd monitor or not. This may actually be due to using multi-display power saver from Inspector as I previously had an issue with my 980Ti GPU not throttling down when there is no load. And after getting the 3080Ti and putting it on water, i kept using multi-display power saver. I've since disabled MDPS but have yet to do any more testing or have the curve applied as I havent been in the mood for gaming. 

I should have had MDPS disabled in the first place when getting the 3080Ti as the "full clock" behavior that I had with the 980Ti using multiple monitors doesn't plague me with this card. 

At least while on that curve while gaming at the time, it would go up to 2050/2100Mhz and temps would stay at a rock solid 54c playing Metro Exodus Enhanced at 1440p. 

Dedicating one more weekend to troubleshooting this odd slo-mo issue with my normal gaming habits this weekend should do the trick. And then I can continue playing with the voltages a little more as the days and weeks continue when I have the time, tweaking little by little and testing each change. I like seeing a nice smooth transition but so far this is where I'm currently at. Then..... I'll start overclocking the 9900k

https://imgur.com/9G55B35
 
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Re: 3080ti ftw3 undervolting 2021/09/01 05:53:56 (permalink)
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Its kinda hard to do a balance of a good overclock with undervolting. Its one of those fine tuning things to find exactly where your card is most stable where performance is increased while also trying to get better overall temps. 

The balancing act is tedious, but for me its quite fun. 

Currently got a somewhat stable .943mv at 2010Mhz, with +1150Mem through AB, but I'm experiencing some minor issues with random frame drops or slo-mo just with something like youtube or twitch every now and then - whether multi-tasking a game on main monitor and watching video on 2nd monitor or not. This may actually be due to using multi-display power saver from Inspector as I previously had an issue with my 980Ti GPU not throttling down when there is no load. And after getting the 3080Ti and putting it on water, i kept using multi-display power saver. I've since disabled MDPS but have yet to do any more testing or have the curve applied as I havent been in the mood for gaming. 

I should have had MDPS disabled in the first place when getting the 3080Ti as the "full clock" behavior that I had with the 980Ti using multiple monitors doesn't plague me with this card. 

At least while on that curve while gaming at the time, it would go up to 2050/2100Mhz and temps would stay at a rock solid 54c playing Metro Exodus Enhanced at 1440p. 

Dedicating one more weekend to troubleshooting this odd slo-mo issue with my normal gaming habits this weekend should do the trick. And then I can continue playing with the voltages a little more as the days and weeks continue when I have the time, tweaking little by little and testing each change. I like seeing a nice smooth transition but so far this is where I'm currently at. Then..... I'll start overclocking the 9900k

https://imgur.com/9G55B35
 




It's easier to just use the proper card controls for daily use - reduce the power limit and increase the core clock.  You can still get a fat OC at 80% power limit, with more consistent thermals, and the card will choose it's own core clock and voltage.  Then apply your preferred frame rate limit/gsync/vsync to cap use in a light load.  Fix fan speed also helps in keeping temps down.
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Re: 3080ti ftw3 undervolting 2021/09/01 07:10:56 (permalink)
So is decreasing power limit to 80% the best way to solve instability issues with an undervolt?

I've tried tons of different voltage frequency combinations on my 3080 Ti FTW and always think things are stable, until I find a new game they crash in. Originally I tried 1920@900, then 1875@900, then 1845@875, and still no luck.

Most solid was the latter, and it held with optimal results (-8c, -2-4fps, -80-100w) in tens of hours of testing Apex Legends Maxed, but now I'm trying Doom Eternal maxed out with RT and DLSS and the game is crashing every little while, even when clocked down to 1830@875.

Would I be better off just power limiting the card to control power use and temps? Where should I start, 80%? Any other changes I should make?
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Re: 3080ti ftw3 undervolting 2021/09/01 07:29:40 (permalink)
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So is decreasing power limit to 80% the best way to solve instability issues with an undervolt?

I've tried tons of different voltage frequency combinations on my 3080 Ti FTW and always think things are stable, until I find a new game they crash in. Originally I tried 1929@900, then 1875@900, then 1845@875, and still no luck.

Most solid was the latter, and it held with optimal results (-8c, -2-4fps, -80-100w) in tens of hours of testing Apex Legends Maxed, but now I'm trying Doom Eternal maxed out with RT and DLSS and the game is crashing every little while, even when clocked down to 1830@875.

Would I be better off just power limiting the card to control power use and temps? Where should I start, 80%? Any other changes I should make?



In my opinion, yes.  In the majority of cases simply reducing power and applying a core OC (like +120 or +150 or until you get crashes, then dial back by -30) you will get similar performance but since the card gets to pick it's power and frequency on the fly, it's more stable.  Nvidia has programed Boost 4.0 to run the card on a power limit.  It will happy sit on a power limit all day long.  Any voltage 900mv under is horrible for stability, and trying to run 1930mhz at 900mv is like a +180 OC.
 
Do not lock core voltage, that is what is causing instability.   There are very limited application specific scenarios where locking voltage is useful.
 
Start with stock settings.  Use a medium-high clock fixed load, like Unigine Heaven (pause it where power and clocks are both up), turn down PL to 80%, set a fixed fan speed, then tweak both to get a noise and temp level you like.  Then crank up the mem (+1000) and core OC (like +150) and run some games until they driver crash.  Reduce core by 15 or 30 mhz increments and mem by 100mhz increments until stability is achieved.  But a good chip should handle +150 no problem at 80% power, it just won't get much above 2,000mhz most of the time.
 
Use a frame rate cap to keep the card from running at max clock and voltage at light load.
post edited by kevinc313 - 2021/09/01 07:38:46
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Re: 3080ti ftw3 undervolting 2021/09/04 10:44:59 (permalink)
Good info
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Re: 3080ti ftw3 undervolting 2021/09/04 11:05:05 (permalink)
Thanks for posting this! I have an 850w power supply and 5950x, not much else taking up power. Think I need to undervolt or should I just leave it?
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Re: 3080ti ftw3 undervolting 2022/01/30 10:25:08 (permalink)
Did you underclock the entire curve (example: -200mhz) before setting to those numbers?
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Re: 3080ti ftw3 undervolting 2022/01/30 10:27:16 (permalink)
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i put 50 hours in new world on my 3080ti ftw3 ultra at 875mv at 1900mhz. barely noticed any fps difference. yet my temp went from 80c to 70c. 
 


Did you underclock the entire curve (example: -200mhz) before setting to those numbers?
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Re: 3080ti ftw3 undervolting 2022/01/30 11:11:37 (permalink)
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Undervolt to get virtually the same performance and reduce your cooling bill



If a person is a green tree hugger or has heat issues or wants to save a few bucks then yes go for the undervolting.  I'd rather use more juice and a bit of heat and get more performance.  Why hold back performance?  Let the horse run free.  There are many variables to consider though, location/ambient temps/the rest of the build/etc so really people do what works best for you and your life.  If not a serious gamer or spend a bunch of time on a computer sure it might make sense.  I always suggest trying a bunch of stuff, overclocking/undervolting/etc and find what fits your lifestyle as there is no right or wrong.
 
If only car and computer enthusiasts could meet and talk about why they do what they do and have a mutual understanding.  I don't see many people reducing horsepower... (sure there are the fuel consumption people but my 383 SBC gets 8-14MPG and I love it)
 
Edit: adjusted MPG, I'm not always redlining it. 


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