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Any idea when we're going to get official pricing from eVGA for both the 3080 and 3090? I'm currently considering a 3090 FTW3 but am waiting on pricing first. Trying to determine if I import to canada direct fromm evga or but from a retailer (newegg/canada computers)
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Re: 3080/3090 eVGA pricing
2020/09/07 11:18:34
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Re: 3080/3090 eVGA pricing
2020/09/07 11:45:05
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aldur80
This post gives some speculation.
But I'm waiting to hear something official from EVGA.
Saw this but it's all EU pricing. Are the 3090 FE cards direct from nvidia 1499eur? I figured there would be some conversion being done.
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Re: 3080/3090 eVGA pricing
2020/09/07 11:55:20
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This post gives some speculation.
But I'm waiting to hear something official from EVGA.
Saw this but it's all EU pricing. Are the 3090 FE cards direct from nvidia 1499eur? I figured there would be some conversion being done.
Tough to say. I bought an Acer X35 monitor a while back. The pricing was leaked in euros and everyone thought it would be a ton cheaper in the US because of VAT and what not. But nope, it was exactly the same... So it might be the same, it might not. We'd need EVGA to confirm for sure. Good thing is that it shouldn't be much longer before we hear something official from EVGA.
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Re: 3080/3090 eVGA pricing
2020/09/07 11:59:03
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aldur80
This post gives some speculation.
But I'm waiting to hear something official from EVGA.
Saw this but it's all EU pricing. Are the 3090 FE cards direct from nvidia 1499eur? I figured there would be some conversion being done.
Tough to say. I bought an Acer X35 monitor a while back. The pricing was leaked in euros and everyone thought it would be a ton cheaper in the US because of VAT and what not. But nope, it was exactly the same...
So it might be the same, it might not. We'd need EVGA to confirm for sure. Good thing is that it shouldn't be much longer before we hear something official from EVGA.
Yeah I think if the 3090 FTW3 is under 2k cad before tax I will likely go for it. Otherwise I may have to settle for a 3080 FTW3
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Re: 3080/3090 eVGA pricing
2020/09/07 12:20:53
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Yeah I think if the 3090 FTW3 is under 2k cad before tax I will likely go for it. Otherwise I may have to settle for a 3080 FTW3
I think it's highly unlikely that the 3090 FTW3 will be over $1700. I'm guessing that it's going to be closer to $1600.
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Re: 3080/3090 eVGA pricing
2020/09/09 13:14:26
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People keep forgetting that the FE card coolers are heavily, expensively machined. They may be garbage for thermals, but that doesn't get around the very expensive production value behind them. There is no reason in all the 7 hells for an XC3 cooler based card to cost more than a FE from nVidia direct.
If anything, it would be the excuse to stage a market coup and offer one up for $1400. You can't look at an XC3 cooler and think "Oh yeah, that commands a premium", especially when the silicon is unbinned and stock clocked.
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Re: 3080/3090 eVGA pricing
2020/09/09 13:17:54
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Just curious, why do you think their thermals will be garbage?
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Re: 3080/3090 eVGA pricing
2020/09/09 13:36:49
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Just curious, why do you think their thermals will be garbage?
Emphasis on past tense, they were garbage for thermals, problem is although the heat dissipation of the 3080 / 3090 cooler is 90W higher than the 2080 / 2080 Ti coolers, the TDP of the cards in question has also increased by about the same amount. They may be quieter, but I'm willing to bet that they will still do 85C. We are talking about 320 and 350w at 100% PT. What this translates into bumping up the PT slider is anyone's guess. Technically FE's 12 pin is rated at 300W, add another 75w over PCI-E and the PT slider may not go very far for 3090 FE. Hell it might not go very far for XC3 (2x8 pin). Technically, way more than 300W can be drawn over 2x8 pin and I'm assuming 1x12pin. Anyhow, the coolers are designed better, but the TDP of the cards have gone up a like amount, meaning, we will likely see 85C cards at factory fan speeds and PT again this time around.
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Re: 3080/3090 eVGA pricing
2020/09/09 13:47:33
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Re: 3080/3090 eVGA pricing
2020/09/09 13:55:43
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Just curious, why do you think their thermals will be garbage?
The many, many lessons of a long nVidia history. And the copious statistics from all manner of sources. You can borrow my old reference 690 if you would like to heat your house, brown out the neighborhood, and imagine the sound of a 747 taking off just for fun. Coming up with cheaper but better coolers and massaging price points is the business of the AIB's. nVidia, on the other hand, seems to lets their art department have more input than their engineering department when it comes to their bespoke chillers. Because they are centerfolds for the brand pictured in all the press releases.
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Re: 3080/3090 eVGA pricing
2020/09/09 14:08:35
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Wallzii
Just curious, why do you think their thermals will be garbage?
The many, many lessons of a long nVidia history. And the copious statistics from all manner of sources. You can borrow my old reference 690 if you would like to heat your house, brown out the neighborhood, and imagine the sound of a 747 taking off just for fun.
Coming up with cheaper but better coolers and massaging price points is the business of the AIB's. nVidia, on the other hand, seems to lets their art department have more input than their engineering department when it comes to their bespoke chillers. Because they are centerfolds for the brand pictured in all the press releases.
Yeah this isn't fair because that's a single fan blower style cooler that is both airflow and thermal mass limited. The new FE coolers will in all likelihood rival the AIB's in terms of thermals and acoustics. Wait until you see the AIB coolers struggle with the higher TDP cards. 2080 FE TDP: 225w 2080 TI FE TDP: 250w 3080 FE TDP: 320w 3090 FE TDP: 350w For example, EVGA have stated they've increased the heat-sink thermal mass by 25% but the TDP of the cards have gone up nearly 50%. We will likely see comparable temps and acoustics between the FE and AIB variants this time around. There will be some outliers, such as AIO cooled cards and massive 3-4 slot air cooled cards but on average the temps and acoustics will be about the same. You honestly can't point to a single fan FE cooler from 2-3 generations ago and try to make an argument that the thermals will be garbage this time around based on that. The 3000 series FE cooler is completely different and has way more thermal mass.
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Re: 3080/3090 eVGA pricing
2020/09/09 14:15:34
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Wallzii
Just curious, why do you think their thermals will be garbage?
The many, many lessons of a long nVidia history. And the copious statistics from all manner of sources. You can borrow my old reference 690 if you would like to heat your house, brown out the neighborhood, and imagine the sound of a 747 taking off just for fun.
Coming up with cheaper but better coolers and massaging price points is the business of the AIB's. nVidia, on the other hand, seems to lets their art department have more input than their engineering department when it comes to their bespoke chillers. Because they are centerfolds for the brand pictured in all the press releases.
Yeah this isn't fair because that's a single fan blower style cooler that is both airflow and thermal mass limited. The new FE coolers will in all likelihood rival the AIB's in terms of thermals and acoustics. Wait until you see the AIB coolers struggle with the higher TDP cards.
2080 FE TDP: 225w
2080 TI FE TDP: 250w
3080 FE TDP: 320w
3090 FE TDP: 350w
For example, EVGA have stated they've increased the heat-sink thermal mass by 25% but the TDP of the cards have gone up nearly 50%.
We will likely see comparable temps and acoustics between the FE and AIB variants this time around. There will be some outliers, such as AIO cooled cards and massive 3-4 slot air cooled cards but on average the temps and acoustics will be about the same.
You honestly can't point to a single fan FE cooler from 2-3 generations ago and try to make an argument that the thermals will be garbage this time around based on that. The 3000 series FE cooler is completely different and has way more thermal mass.
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Wallzii
Just curious, why do you think their thermals will be garbage?
The many, many lessons of a long nVidia history. And the copious statistics from all manner of sources. You can borrow my old reference 690 if you would like to heat your house, brown out the neighborhood, and imagine the sound of a 747 taking off just for fun.
Coming up with cheaper but better coolers and massaging price points is the business of the AIB's. nVidia, on the other hand, seems to lets their art department have more input than their engineering department when it comes to their bespoke chillers. Because they are centerfolds for the brand pictured in all the press releases.
Yeah this isn't fair because that's a single fan blower style cooler that is both airflow and thermal mass limited. The new FE coolers will in all likelihood rival the AIB's in terms of thermals and acoustics. Wait until you see the AIB coolers struggle with the higher TDP cards.
2080 FE TDP: 225w
2080 TI FE TDP: 250w
3080 FE TDP: 320w
3090 FE TDP: 350w
For example, EVGA have stated they've increased the heat-sink thermal mass by 25% but the TDP of the cards have gone up nearly 50%.
We will likely see comparable temps and acoustics between the FE and AIB variants this time around. There will be some outliers, such as AIO cooled cards and massive 3-4 slot air cooled cards but on average the temps and acoustics will be about the same.
You honestly can't point to a single fan FE cooler from 2-3 generations ago and try to make an argument that the thermals will be garbage this time around based on that. The 3000 series FE cooler is completely different and has way more thermal mass.
The new cooler might cause thermal issues with CPU tower coolers though.
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Re: 3080/3090 eVGA pricing
2020/09/09 14:27:46
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Maybe yes, maybe no. But their track record ain't great. I stand behind the "Art Department" driven engineering opinion. Same people who make their graphs in every presser. Meant to be pretty rather than logical. We will see when we see.
But we're getting off the point. The FE coolers are expensive to make. It's a lot of finely milled metal meant to look good, and that ain't cheap. People pay for aesthetics more often than they look up benchmarked thermals when they see Shiny Things on the shelf anyways. If they didn't, RGB wouldn't be a thing. Thank you for that XC3 price leak link, that seems about right.
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Re: 3080/3090 eVGA pricing
2020/09/09 14:28:03
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Thermals (less so noise, my 2070 Super XC Ultra already sounds like a jet engine to maintain 68C with a 2070MHz core and 7900MHz memory OC) is my main concern. I'm Canadian, so there's not a lot of choices when it comes to securing a 3080 on release day. Not only are the available options slim, I've got to consider extra fees from importing as well. This is why I'm leaning towards FE cards direct from nVIDIA, as aside from the $50 in shipping, Canadian taxes are included in the sale and there aren't additional brokerage fees. Direct from EVGA, I'm looking at fees from UPS, and for a GPU that will cost at least $920 CAD, I expect that those fees will drive the cost of the card up at least another $100 CAD or more. Hopefully we get some reviews of thermals before the 17th (I've read NDAs are lifted on the 14th; forget where I heard that though). If thermals are fine on the FE cards, then my choice is easy.
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Re: 3080/3090 eVGA pricing
2020/09/09 14:34:37
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People keep forgetting that the FE card coolers are heavily, expensively machined. They may be garbage for thermals, but that doesn't get around the very expensive production value behind them. There is no reason in all the 7 hells for an XC3 cooler based card to cost more than a FE from nVidia direct.
If anything, it would be the excuse to stage a market coup and offer one up for $1400. You can't look at an XC3 cooler and think "Oh yeah, that commands a premium", especially when the silicon is unbinned and stock clocked.
tbf I got a 2080 ti XC at launch and it performed well above most 2080 ti's at the time, was getting 2100 mhz overclock and decent thermals, maybe I was just lucky.
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Re: 3080/3090 eVGA pricing
2020/09/09 15:33:59
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Newegg, CC, & Amazon will help us avoid the import taxes the most, buying from EVGA direct is fine, but you can expect a premium of $50-150 on top of the price for import fees. I expect the 3080 FTW3 to be around $1049.99 CAD, 3090 could be anywhere between $1899-2199.99. These are guesses, but I am ball-parking based on last years pricing and a few leaks.
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Re: 3080/3090 eVGA pricing
2020/09/09 15:36:55
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Newegg, CC, & Amazon will help us avoid the import taxes the most, buying from EVGA direct is fine, but you can expect a premium of $50-150 on top of the price for import fees. I expect the 3080 FTW3 to be around $1049.99 CAD, 3090 could be anywhere between $1899-2199.99. These are guesses, but I am ball-parking based on last years pricing and a few leaks.
I'd rather order from any of those vendors, I'm just hoping they have stock on release; otherwise, FE edition it is.
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Re: 3080/3090 eVGA pricing
2020/09/09 15:44:48
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I wouldn't be so pessimistic as this might be one of Nvidia's best air cooler design ever. 
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Re: 3080/3090 eVGA pricing
2020/09/09 18:19:47
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I wouldn't be so pessimistic as this might be one of Nvidia's best air cooler design ever.
Agree, I think Nvidia‘s air cooler will end up being the best this Gen on temp effectiveness and quiet, yet obviously the hybrid’s will top it. I think the EVGA premium air cooled cards will do well, my only concern is all the AIB pass-trough designs I saw have a poor backing plate design that prevents most of the air from actually passing through... so they won’t be nearly as good as Nvidia’s Which is very high flow pass through.
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Re: 3080/3090 eVGA pricing
2020/09/09 23:44:07
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I wouldn't be so pessimistic as this might be one of Nvidia's best air cooler design ever.
from this design you can do a couple of things, top exhaust fans or a third front fan will dissapate most of that hot air as well.. i wouldnt worry about it all that much
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Re: 3080/3090 eVGA pricing
2020/09/10 02:44:06
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I wouldn't be so pessimistic as this might be one of Nvidia's best air cooler design ever.
from this design you can do a couple of things, top exhaust fans or a third front fan will dissapate most of that hot air as well.. i wouldnt worry about it all that much
I respectfully disagree with having the front fan as a exhaust but I see what you're saying. The front and bottom are usually the best place for intake cooler air while having the top as intake (optional) dependent on PC configuration and case design.
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Re: 3080/3090 eVGA pricing
2020/09/10 02:54:10
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I wouldn't be so pessimistic as this might be one of Nvidia's best air cooler design ever.
from this design you can do a couple of things, top exhaust fans or a third front fan will dissapate most of that hot air as well.. i wouldnt worry about it all that much
I respectfully disagree with having the front fan as a exhaust but I see what you're saying. The front and bottom are usually the best place for intake cooler air while having the top as intake (optional) dependent on PC configuration and case design.
I don't think he was saying a front exhaust lol. He's referring to the fan setup in this picture, he said to either add top exhaust so that hot air can escape up, or a 3rd intake fan at the top of the front to help dissipate most of the hot air.
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Re: 3080/3090 eVGA pricing
2020/09/10 04:03:01
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Fallis91 has my meaning, sorry i could have been clearer on it
a third intake above the other 2 to dissipate or your top exhaust fans to drag it out
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Re: 3080/3090 eVGA pricing
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Re: 3080/3090 eVGA pricing
2020/09/10 08:53:17
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German retailer caseking.de has put the preliminary prices of EVGA 3080s.
https://www.caseking.de/search/index/sSearch/rtx+3080/sPerPage/48/sFilter_supplier/EVGA
These are the values after you deduct %16 VAT and convert them to USD. Don't forget the state tax.
XC3 Black: $800
XC3 Gaming: $824
XC3 Ultra: $847
FTW3: $893
FTW3 Ultra: $921
Don't know what to think.
If that's what it ends up being in USD, that'll be insane. The nvidia FE 3080 is $699. A $221 increase for a better cooler, which might not be that much better, is absolutely insane! If these are the prices then I'll probably not go with evga for the first time in 5 years.
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Re: 3080/3090 eVGA pricing
2020/09/10 09:14:40
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German retailer caseking.de has put the preliminary prices of EVGA 3080s.
https://www.caseking.de/search/index/sSearch/rtx+3080/sPerPage/48/sFilter_supplier/EVGA
These are the values after you deduct %16 VAT and convert them to USD. Don't forget the state tax.
XC3 Black: $800
XC3 Gaming: $824
XC3 Ultra: $847
FTW3: $893
FTW3 Ultra: $921
Don't know what to think.
VAT in Germany is 19%. Also, Caseking is usually the most expensive retailer in Germany. Most other places like Mindfactory are at least 10% cheaper. I imagine the FTW3 Ultra will be around 850.
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Re: 3080/3090 eVGA pricing
2020/09/10 09:22:46
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What's interesting to me with this pricing is that there's no base (Founders Edition) pricing, so might not be the final values. Otherwise, it's a total disaster for us.
@Airikay, you mean $850 or €850 with taxes? I recalculated them with 19% VAT:
XC3 Black: $782
XC3 Gaming: $804
XC3 Ultra: $827
FTW3: $872
FTW3 Ultra: $898
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Re: 3080/3090 eVGA pricing
2020/09/10 09:35:45
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@Airikay, you mean $850 or €850 with taxes? I recalculated them with 19% VAT:
XC3 Black: $782
XC3 Gaming: $804
XC3 Ultra: $827
FTW3: $872
FTW3 Ultra: $898
I imagine they will be 850 USD without taxes. Each state is different. Like for my state is 6%, but that's covered with the 5% EVGA discount and the 1% back on my credit card. Like I said Caseking is always high on their prices in the first place.
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Re: 3080/3090 eVGA pricing
2020/09/10 09:43:24
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I'd definitely buy an RTX 3090 from EVGA. However on our retailer's website in Germany, non of the EVGA cards have been listed yet. My guess is the the FTW3 will cost around 1800 Euro.
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