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2021/03/01 09:42:20 (permalink)
My 3080 appears to be underperfoming in most games as far as I can tell. Valorant I sometimes hit 200 fps no matter what settings I use at 1080P. The charts show I should be hitting 500+ fps. I have reformatted and done all kinds of things. Windows 20H2 ect. I dont know exactly what the problem is. I even tried the newest drivers/previous versions. I benchmark in 3dmark on par with what a 3080 trio should hit. I know I did not hit the silicon lottery with this card. I have been in queue for an evga card for months. Even after how pissed I was over the 1080 issue. Anyways, seems like many 3000 series users have underperforming cards and there has to be a root cause.

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    Re: 3080 underperforming 2021/03/01 09:49:46 (permalink)
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    My 3080 appears to be underperfoming in most games as far as I can tell. Valorant I sometimes hit 200 fps no matter what settings I use at 1080P. The charts show I should be hitting 500+ fps. I have reformatted and done all kinds of things. Windows 20H2 ect. I dont know exactly what the problem is. I even tried the newest drivers/previous versions. I benchmark in 3dmark on par with what a 3080 trio should hit. I know I did not hit the silicon lottery with this card. I have been in queue for an evga card for months. Even after how pissed I was over the 1080 issue. Anyways, seems like many 3000 series users have underperforming cards and there has to be a root cause.

    That's a huge claim to make when you provide almost zero data/analysis. It benchmarks in 3DMark fine, but one game is underperforming? Seems unfair to blame your card.
     
    I have a 3080 FTW3 and its performance is around where it should be. 

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    Re: 3080 underperforming 2021/03/01 09:54:51 (permalink)
    Dude go to the nvidia forums or reddit. I had to struggle unbelievably hard to get fortnite playable. If theres a benchmark for a game I can tell you my max fps is lower. This card cant even push a 90 hash rate.

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    Re: 3080 underperforming 2021/03/01 10:08:28 (permalink)
    Hilarious  "It benchmarks fine but this one game is a problem, go to Reddit and ignore my user error". Spoiler: if it doesn't change when you adjust the settings, that's called a bottleneck.
     
    Sounds about right for the Valorant and Fortnite crowd though.


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    Re: 3080 underperforming 2021/03/01 10:35:24 (permalink)
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    Hilarious  "It benchmarks fine but this one game is a problem, go to Reddit and ignore my user error". Spoiler: if it doesn't change when you adjust the settings, that's called a bottleneck.
     
    Sounds about right for the Valorant and Fortnite crowd though.


    Yes my 9900K at 5ghz is 100% bottlenecking my gpu. Its definitely bottlenecking the witcher 3 at 200fps (most average 270 fps) my 2070 super definitely didnt get more fps in valorant in the same system. Fortnite too hard for you or something? Get skill dude.
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    Re: 3080 underperforming 2021/03/01 10:44:45 (permalink)
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    My 3080 appears to be underperfoming in most games as far as I can tell. Valorant I sometimes hit 200 fps no matter what settings I use at 1080P. The charts show I should be hitting 500+ fps. I have reformatted and done all kinds of things. Windows 20H2 ect. I dont know exactly what the problem is. I even tried the newest drivers/previous versions. I benchmark in 3dmark on par with what a 3080 trio should hit. I know I did not hit the silicon lottery with this card. I have been in queue for an evga card for months. Even after how pissed I was over the 1080 issue. Anyways, seems like many 3000 series users have underperforming cards and there has to be a root cause.

    I don't know why people here have to be toxic...
     
    Not familiar with the Valorant graphic settings because I don't play the game, but is there a frame rate setting that you can change to say unlimited?  Maybe that is what is holding back the fps.




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    Re: 3080 underperforming 2021/03/01 10:53:02 (permalink)
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     Spoiler: if it doesn't change when you adjust the settings, that's called a bottleneck.
     

     
    What do you mean?  Is that saying that if I am only getting 55fps in Red Dead Redemption on my setup and I knock all the settings from Extreme to Medium and still only get 55fps, that's a bottleneck, CPU?
     
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    Re: 3080 underperforming 2021/03/01 10:55:08 (permalink)
    Sounds like you have your max FPS limited in the drivers. Go to your Nvidia control panel, then to "Manage 3D settings" and make sure both "Max Frame Rate" and Background Application Frame Rate" are set to "Off". That would explain why is benchmarks seemingly fine sine you aren't going to be pushing 200+FPS in 3D mark. This happened to me a few times for whatever reason and the only solution I found was to run DDU and completely wipe the driver and do a fresh install. 
     


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    Re: 3080 underperforming 2021/03/01 10:59:13 (permalink)
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    Sounds like you have your max FPS limited in the drivers. Go to your Nvidia control panel, then to "Manage 3D settings" and make sure both "Max Frame Rate" and Background Application Frame Rate" are set to "Off". That would explain why is benchmarks seemingly fine sine you aren't going to be pushing 200+FPS in 3D mark. This happened to me a few times for whatever reason and the only solution I found was to run DDU and completely wipe the driver and do a fresh install. 
     



    I believe I have those both set to off. Will check when I get home from work. I am not new to system building for some who have posted toxic comments. Its just frustrating how odd the performance has been on these cards. There's tons of people posting with issues on other forums and not just for Val or FN.

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    Re: 3080 underperforming 2021/03/01 11:05:09 (permalink)
    200 FPS isn’t enough? Please watch the personal attacks too. Thanks.
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    Re: 3080 underperforming 2021/03/01 11:30:41 (permalink)
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    200 FPS isn’t enough? Please watch the personal attacks too. Thanks.


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    Re: 3080 underperforming 2021/03/01 11:30:56 (permalink)
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     Spoiler: if it doesn't change when you adjust the settings, that's called a bottleneck.
     

     
    What do you mean?  Is that saying that if I am only getting 55fps in Red Dead Redemption on my setup and I knock all the settings from Extreme to Medium and still only get 55fps, that's a bottleneck, CPU?
     
    Not trying to be contentious, am Genuinely curious




    No worries, yes that is generally the case. The lower the resolution the more likely you are to see it (low resolutions don't push GPUs as hard, so your max frames will fall to other components). If this is actually happening to you and not just an example, check your GPU usage/power draw. You'll probably see numbers under 99% regardless of settings, indicating that something else is holding back the GPU.
     
    Keep in mind sometimes its the game itself doing the bottlenecking. Red Dead is a console port and I'm not really familiar with how it runs on PC, so I don't want to comment specifically on that game. Valorant doesn't have such problems so I was confident in commenting on OPs issue.


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    Re: 3080 underperforming 2021/03/01 13:48:26 (permalink)
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    My 3080 appears to be underperfoming in most games as far as I can tell. Valorant I sometimes hit 200 fps no matter what settings I use at 1080P. The charts show I should be hitting 500+ fps. I have reformatted and done all kinds of things. Windows 20H2 ect. I dont know exactly what the problem is. I even tried the newest drivers/previous versions. I benchmark in 3dmark on par with what a 3080 trio should hit. I know I did not hit the silicon lottery with this card. I have been in queue for an evga card for months. Even after how pissed I was over the 1080 issue. Anyways, seems like many 3000 series users have underperforming cards and there has to be a root cause.

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    Dude go to the nvidia forums or reddit. I had to struggle unbelievably hard to get fortnite playable. If theres a benchmark for a game I can tell you my max fps is lower. This card cant even push a 90 hash rate.

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    Hilarious  "It benchmarks fine but this one game is a problem, go to Reddit and ignore my user error". Spoiler: if it doesn't change when you adjust the settings, that's called a bottleneck.
     
    Sounds about right for the Valorant and Fortnite crowd though.


    Yes my 9900K at 5ghz is 100% bottlenecking my gpu. Its definitely bottlenecking the witcher 3 at 200fps (most average 270 fps) my 2070 super definitely didnt get more fps in valorant in the same system. Fortnite too hard for you or something? Get skill dude.

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    Sounds like you have your max FPS limited in the drivers. Go to your Nvidia control panel, then to "Manage 3D settings" and make sure both "Max Frame Rate" and Background Application Frame Rate" are set to "Off". That would explain why is benchmarks seemingly fine sine you aren't going to be pushing 200+FPS in 3D mark. This happened to me a few times for whatever reason and the only solution I found was to run DDU and completely wipe the driver and do a fresh install. 
     



    I believe I have those both set to off. Will check when I get home from work. I am not new to system building for some who have posted toxic comments. Its just frustrating how odd the performance has been on these cards. There's tons of people posting with issues on other forums and not just for Val or FN.

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    200 FPS isn’t enough? Please watch the personal attacks too. Thanks.


    I would like to get the most out of my zowie xl2746s (240hz) with dyac+. I am not getting stuttering though


    Literally nothing here that would help troubleshooting your issue.






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    Re: 3080 underperforming 2021/03/01 14:06:04 (permalink)
    The only problem i can think of is your power supply.  I read the specs of the MSI Trio card and it says 750w is the requirement, but from what i gather, all the 3080 are power hungry and eventually will consume more watts than advertised. 
    How old is your PSU? can u upgrade your PSU to 1000w and up?
    See if you can download an app that can tell you how much wattage the 3080 is pulling?

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    Re: 3080 underperforming 2021/03/01 14:35:34 (permalink)
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    200 FPS isn’t enough? Please watch the personal attacks too. Thanks.


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    Re: 3080 underperforming 2021/03/01 17:38:14 (permalink)
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    Dude go to the nvidia forums or reddit. I had to struggle unbelievably hard to get fortnite playable. If theres a benchmark for a game I can tell you my max fps is lower. This card cant even push a 90 hash rate.

    I play Fortnite literally every single night, and with my 3080 FTW3 I have zero issues maintaining 165fps on my G-Sync monitor with all settings set to max (except ray-tracing) at 1440p. All other games run at around where they should given my graphics settings in each respective game, and my benchmark scores are also on par.
     
    Again, you are providing no data or analysis. What does "I had to struggle unbelievably hard to get fortnite playable" even mean? Did it keep crashing? Was the screen flickering? Low performance, if so, what FPS were you seeing at what settings? No clue what this means. Like dude, I'd like to help you but you are providing me no substance other than "go research the error the on your own, it's everywhere!".
     
    Like yeah bro, let me stop what I'm doing and go do that.

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    Re: 3080 underperforming 2021/03/01 18:29:37 (permalink)
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    Dude go to the nvidia forums or reddit. I had to struggle unbelievably hard to get fortnite playable. If theres a benchmark for a game I can tell you my max fps is lower. This card cant even push a 90 hash rate.

    I play Fortnite literally every single night, and with my 3080 FTW3 I have zero issues maintaining 165fps on my G-Sync monitor with all settings set to max (except ray-tracing) at 1440p. All other games run at around where they should given my graphics settings in each respective game, and my benchmark scores are also on par.
     
    Again, you are providing no data or analysis. What does "I had to struggle unbelievably hard to get fortnite playable" even mean? Did it keep crashing? Was the screen flickering? Low performance, if so, what FPS were you seeing at what settings? No clue what this means. Like dude, I'd like to help you but you are providing me no substance other than "go research the error the on your own, it's everywhere!".
     
    Like yeah bro, let me stop what I'm doing and go do that.


    Fortnite is no longer an issue for me. I had an odyssey g7 and at 1440P I would hope you get more than 165 fps. Gsync is a meme, do you even realize how much input lag you are actually adding? A lower skill gapped player wouldnt notice it but its definitely huge. G-sync is actually a meme. I've spent enough money on monitors to learn it the hard way. I was getting 500 fps in fortnite at 1440P and the game ran like butter. Then randomly after a driver update I could never get the game to not stutter. Why did I update? Cp2077.

    Now Valorant fps just seems low, far too low. I've seen people with 3080/3090s getting 1000 fps. I am getting 300 but drops to 200. Something is not right. I was getting over 300 with a 2070 super. Why would a 3080 perform at a 2070s level? Why do so many people have different results with these gpus? Like am I just woke and people are clueless as to what others performance is? Look at cod warzone for instance. Its a nightmare of different results for every 3000 series owner.

    Maybe it is power consumption. A 9900K at 5ghz sucks a lot of juice, and the 3080 can have wattage spikes to what, 500? I havr an 850 g3 thats about a year old and a few months. Psus are insane prices right now and not much available.

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    Re: 3080 underperforming 2021/03/01 19:50:37 (permalink)
    Celeras
     
     
    No worries, yes that is generally the case. The lower the resolution the more likely you are to see it (low resolutions don't push GPUs as hard, so your max frames will fall to other components). If this is actually happening to you and not just an example, check your GPU usage/power draw. You'll probably see numbers under 99% regardless of settings, indicating that something else is holding back the GPU.
     
    Keep in mind sometimes its the game itself doing the bottlenecking. Red Dead is a console port and I'm not really familiar with how it runs on PC, so I don't want to comment specifically on that game. Valorant doesn't have such problems so I was confident in commenting on OPs issue.




    Thank you.  Only AC Valhalla I kind of have that problem with.
     
    As for Valorant and Fortnite I'm glad I don't have the uh... disposition... to like those sorts of games.

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    Re: 3080 underperforming 2021/03/01 20:02:14 (permalink)
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    Dude go to the nvidia forums or reddit. I had to struggle unbelievably hard to get fortnite playable. If theres a benchmark for a game I can tell you my max fps is lower. This card cant even push a 90 hash rate.

    I play Fortnite literally every single night, and with my 3080 FTW3 I have zero issues maintaining 165fps on my G-Sync monitor with all settings set to max (except ray-tracing) at 1440p. All other games run at around where they should given my graphics settings in each respective game, and my benchmark scores are also on par.
     
    Again, you are providing no data or analysis. What does "I had to struggle unbelievably hard to get fortnite playable" even mean? Did it keep crashing? Was the screen flickering? Low performance, if so, what FPS were you seeing at what settings? No clue what this means. Like dude, I'd like to help you but you are providing me no substance other than "go research the error the on your own, it's everywhere!".
     
    Like yeah bro, let me stop what I'm doing and go do that.


    Fortnite is no longer an issue for me. I had an odyssey g7 and at 1440P I would hope you get more than 165 fps. Gsync is a meme, do you even realize how much input lag you are actually adding? A lower skill gapped player wouldnt notice it but its definitely huge. G-sync is actually a meme. I've spent enough money on monitors to learn it the hard way. I was getting 500 fps in fortnite at 1440P and the game ran like butter. Then randomly after a driver update I could never get the game to not stutter. Why did I update? Cp2077.

    Now Valorant fps just seems low, far too low. I've seen people with 3080/3090s getting 1000 fps. I am getting 300 but drops to 200. Something is not right. I was getting over 300 with a 2070 super. Why would a 3080 perform at a 2070s level? Why do so many people have different results with these gpus? Like am I just woke and people are clueless as to what others performance is? Look at cod warzone for instance. Its a nightmare of different results for every 3000 series owner.

    Maybe it is power consumption. A 9900K at 5ghz sucks a lot of juice, and the 3080 can have wattage spikes to what, 500? I havr an 850 g3 thats about a year old and a few months. Psus are insane prices right now and not much available.

    I only mentioned G-Sync as a way to indicate that I'm capped at 165fps because all I care about is good graphics with no screen tearing. Thought the "all settings to max" made it pretty clear that eye candy is more important than FPS for me, and that I'm not competitive and/or a low skilled player, but I guess not lol.
     
    I don't play Valorant, but if it's anything like FN isn't there people online posting "Valorant Ultimately Optimizations" guides the way they do with FN? The problem with your idea of it being an underlying issue with all cards is that it immediately loses steam when you say there's people getting 1000 FPS and with seemingly no issues. No 2 computers are the same, no 2 configurations are the same... they MUST be doing something different. Or they are operating under different conditions. Somebody posting a 1000fps video or screenshot seems just as meme'y as G-Sync to me, though.
     
    The bottom line is, if your card is benchmarking around where it should be, then you're in an uphill battle to try and figure out why it is your specific system has an issue in a specific game. You're gonna have to really do some investigative work, and your goal should be to find a way to reproduce the issue, because then that way you can test fixes as you apply them. Basic troubleshooting 101. I am not sure you are having a power issue, but if you think so, you can test that. Load up HWINFO, monitor your voltage readings during games, see if there's any dips, maybe set it to automatically run a log and then check the logs immediately after you noticed the issue.
     
    You mentioned your system is overclocked. You probably dont want to hear this, but try the system completely stock. I've been overclocking a long time, OC-related issues can manifest themselves in more than just the obvious stability issues. What if it's somehow affecting the memory controller on the CPU, or the PCI-E bus? You gotta start eliminating factors, no matter how sure fire they may seem.
     
    Or.... maybe there is something inherently affecting 3080s and you're just more woke. I am not being sarcastic, I am being serious. I am not saying these cards are perfect, it's just that obscure issues take time to identify and resolve.

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    Re: 3080 underperforming 2021/03/01 20:08:29 (permalink)
    MSI 3080 Trio bios is 350w. Maybe it peaks a bit gaming but that's nothing compared to my 3080 FTW3 hybrid 450w bios peaking at 485w with Furmark.
     
    9900K at 5.0Ghz is about 250w under max AVX load.  Less gaming.
     
    850w G3 isn't overkill, but should be enough.
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    Re: 3080 underperforming 2021/03/04 13:34:35 (permalink)
    I definitely need to do more testing. I pay attention to 0.1% lows and 1% lows as they affect stuttering/smoothness of our games. Its amazing how much a single windows build can affect your lows. Windows 1709 is by far the best 10 version for games but we as 3000 series owners cannot run it. Windows 20H2 is the next best thing with overall highest fps but worse 0.1% lows and 1% lows. Valorant is literally using 20% cpu and 20% gpu. There is no utilization being used on my system, no matter the graphic settings I use. I've been paying attention to other systems ect and I have seen a ryzen 5900x with a 3080 getting the same fps in Val. Yet I have seen others getting 500 fps. It wouldnt concern me normally but there is the odd time where my fps drops from 350 to 200 and it just annoys me. It shouldn't ever drop that low. I was getting better fps with a 2070 super. Idk again I need to test some things.

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