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So I have just fitted the card yesterday had a play with it with its original 400w bios and could get it to draw 395w so I then flashed the 450w bios the power slider now goes to 118% but it still limits around 400w most I have seen is 405w and then get power limit, I have seen a few posts on this forum relating to the same issue, I don't really need 450w but it would just be nice to know it works and it's there if one day I do decide to start pushing things and need it this isn't a case that the card dosent need that power as I have tried to force it to pull more with very Intensive loads and it just will not do it Has anyone solved this yet?
post edited by va02stephen - 2022/05/26 01:57:33
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Re: 3080 ftw3 ultra LHR Xoc bios not 450w
2022/05/26 09:14:41
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If you just push the slider tp 118% and run something using the card , it won't just try to pull 450w because it can. Punch up +90 on the clock +1000 on the memory, turn you fans up to 90% and 100 on the voltage slider then open Kombustor and tell me what you get, probably around 432w but you might be happier inside . I think the max on a card I had was about 408 in port royal and 418 on TS extreme, but Kombustor always pulled the most.
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Re: 3080 ftw3 ultra LHR Xoc bios not 450w
2022/05/26 10:10:57
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If you just push the slider tp 118% and run something using the card , it won't just try to pull 450w because it can. Punch up +90 on the clock +1000 on the memory, turn you fans up to 90% and 100 on the voltage slider then open Kombustor and tell me what you get, probably around 432w but you might be happier inside . I think the max on a card I had was about 408 in port royal and 418 on TS extreme, but Kombustor always pulled the most.
And if the perfcap reason is "pwr", then what? Perfcap reason shouldn't be "pwr" below expected power limit. That is what the complaint is. You shouldn't have to find some special condition where you are able to use more of the power you are expecting to be able to use. That is what the complaint is. Jacob said a year ago that he would look into it, but then never came back with anything.
post edited by ty_ger07 - 2022/05/26 10:12:47
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Re: 3080 ftw3 ultra LHR Xoc bios not 450w
2022/05/26 10:16:55
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If you just push the slider tp 118% and run something using the card , it won't just try to pull 450w because it can. Punch up +90 on the clock +1000 on the memory, turn you fans up to 90% and 100 on the voltage slider then open Kombustor and tell me what you get, probably around 432w but you might be happier inside . I think the max on a card I had was about 408 in port royal and 418 on TS extreme, but Kombustor always pulled the most.
Yes it will if it's power limited. If you try to run these 3080 10GB cards at any voltage near the max of 1.1v, or try to maintain something like 2100mhz and run a game like Metro Exodus with RT, the card will be hugely power limited not being able to go above 400w and you'll see frequency/voltage crater to compensate. Even if you have a ridiculous amount of thermal overhead left. I run at 3440x1440p, so not even 4K, and Metro Exodus with RTing can continually kiss the 400w limit in some scenes. I imagine at 4K it's even more painful. As far as I'm aware other manufacturers 10GB 3080 cards have no issues drawing up to 450w in games if power is the limiting factor. The EVGA 3080 FTW3 10GB has a design flaw EVGA are obviously staying quiet about as it could result in a mass of RMAs/requests for a recall. So they'll just hide behind the technicality of "spec is what we sell it as" rather than the way a 3 pin graphics card will normally work with a BIOS that has a higher power limit. The 12GB EVGA card works fine, as does the 3080Ti. So they changed something. I believe there was issues with the original 3090 as well. I'm watercooled with a lot of radiator space and my card runs at 37~40 degrees up to 400w depending on ambient. I simply cannot get above 400w on a 450w BIOS, card won't draw it due to power balancing issues. It's not drawing enough from the PCIe slot and it's not using power connection 3 to its full capacity. It goes to typical limits on pin 1 pin 2 and then the power delivery system seems to choke and thinks it can't supply anything else from the PCIe slot or pin 3 when it actually can. EVGA won't answer questions about this so it's left to speculation what exactly has caused this design issue.
post edited by Audioboxer - 2022/05/26 10:24:36
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Re: 3080 ftw3 ultra LHR Xoc bios not 450w
2022/05/26 13:41:30
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The whole reason to wait for reviews on the next round of cards to be sure which card to buy.. not just the highest model from evga.
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Re: 3080 ftw3 ultra LHR Xoc bios not 450w
2022/05/26 14:35:58
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Re: 3080 ftw3 ultra LHR Xoc bios not 450w
2022/05/26 14:45:17
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I'm not sure what the problem is when the advertised power draw of this GPU as originally as marketed and sold is 320 watts
https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=10G-P5-3897-KL
That EVGA optionally allows a higher power target BIOS to be flashed than the default, and some GPU's are not able to draw UP TO the maximum... well just seems the (bad) luck of the draw.
https://forums.evga.com/EVGA-GeForce-RTX-3080-FTW3-XOC-BIOS-m3118560.aspx
The design issue is the GPU was designed for 320 watts, not 450 watts. Surprise surprise.... might be some issues with power balancing when attempting to draw another ~40% power from the same PWM.
Why did they go with a 3 pin design then? Almost as if they fixed the issue with the 12GB model and 3080Ti. Why bother doing that when the 12GB model at least is sold under the same spec.
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Re: 3080 ftw3 ultra LHR Xoc bios not 450w
2022/05/26 20:16:58
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Not for nothing , there's 14 pages of conspiracy about the great under preforming 3080 450 watt XOC bios and 0 pages of people complaining my Kingpin wont hit 1000 watts on the 1000 watt bios, go figure 
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Re: 3080 ftw3 ultra LHR Xoc bios not 450w
2022/05/26 20:24:31
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Not for nothing , there's 14 pages of conspiracy about the great under preforming 3080 450 watt XOC bios and 0 pages of people complaining my Kingpin wont hit 1000 watts on the 1000 watt bios, go figure
Because one has a perfcap reason of pwr, and one doesn't. People only care when the perfcap reason is pwr and it shouldn't be. Go figure. It has nothing to do with trying to force the card to be inefficient. It has everything to do with the card being neutered for no apparent reason.
post edited by ty_ger07 - 2022/05/26 20:25:32
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Re: 3080 ftw3 ultra LHR Xoc bios not 450w
2022/05/27 00:13:13
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Not for nothing , there's 14 pages of conspiracy about the great under preforming 3080 450 watt XOC bios and 0 pages of people complaining my Kingpin wont hit 1000 watts on the 1000 watt bios, go figure
Because one has a perfcap reason of pwr, and one doesn't. People only care when the perfcap reason is pwr and it shouldn't be. Go figure.
It has nothing to do with trying to force the card to be inefficient. It has everything to do with the card being neutered for no apparent reason.
AMEN! Maybe next round, Evga should just have 1-2 cards per model. Then their won't be a reason to limit the performance.
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Re: 3080 ftw3 ultra LHR Xoc bios not 450w
2022/05/27 06:12:00
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kraade
Not for nothing , there's 14 pages of conspiracy about the great under preforming 3080 450 watt XOC bios and 0 pages of people complaining my Kingpin wont hit 1000 watts on the 1000 watt bios, go figure
Because one has a perfcap reason of pwr, and one doesn't. People only care when the perfcap reason is pwr and it shouldn't be. Go figure.
It has nothing to do with trying to force the card to be inefficient. It has everything to do with the card being neutered for no apparent reason.
I read apparently the 3080 FTW3 was going to be a 2 pin card and late on EVGA morphed it into a 3 pin, but now the third pin on the vanilla 3080 is some sort of "half job" rather than the proper way to do power delivery for 3 pins. No idea if this is just speculation or not (probably just incorrect owner guesswork), but it would help explain things. So the card is basically a 2.5 pin rather than 3 pin. It does seem to make sense when you do testing, the 3rd pin on the 3080 FTW3 is just "busted". Can't seem to draw more than 75w of power when other 3080s from other manufacturers happily draw 120w+ on the 3rd pin. Here is a result from a Palit 3080 3 pin on a 450w BIOS PCI-e slot 47W
8-pin #1 139W
8-pin #2 119W
8-pin #3 139W
Total 444W
Whatever they did, they quietly decided internally it was a mistake and fixed it on the 12GB model and Ti models which have no issue with a 450w BIOS and even beyond. It's incredibly frustrating to anyone who watercools the card and the only way I'd RMA is if EVGA accepted it was a flaw and that a refurb would fix power draw. But I can't get EVGA to even admit anything, presumably because they don't want it officially stated the original 3080s and even some 3090s it seems, have design flaws around power delivery. Though I do think some people got them to admit the vanilla 3090 had power draw issues. Given the potential for a 3090 in terms of guzzling power, yeah, harder to sweep that under the rug. A 3080 can perform well with a 400w ceiling, it's just if you watercool that extra 50w can make quite a difference when you're power limited.
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Re: 3080 ftw3 ultra LHR Xoc bios not 450w
2022/05/30 08:48:35
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The fact this was brought up long ago and we are being left in the dark, I am leaning toward trying other brands.
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Re: 3080 ftw3 ultra LHR Xoc bios not 450w
2022/06/02 05:44:55
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stephen, bumping your topic to let you know flashing an MSI 430w BIOS on my card seems to have fixed the 400w max issue https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/3555755 The power reporting in software is borked, likely due to using MSI's additions to the BIOS, but I've now tested along with my power supply output some games I was previously power limited in. As you can see in the topic, Metro Exodus EE with RTing on for the clearest example. Give it a go and please report your findings. If you don't have a way to measure your power supply draw at the source (the power supply itself), test games where your core clock was dropping in the past due to being power limited. Or use Kombustor, as it tends to max out power draw and you can quickly see core clock tumble. I'm going to try and get this to the attention of EVGA and having someone else with this card confirm it's working would be good evidence.
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Re: 3080 ftw3 ultra LHR Xoc bios not 450w
2022/06/02 05:49:25
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Not for nothing , there's 14 pages of conspiracy about the great under preforming 3080 450 watt XOC bios and 0 pages of people complaining my Kingpin wont hit 1000 watts on the 1000 watt bios, go figure
Because one has a perfcap reason of pwr, and one doesn't. People only care when the perfcap reason is pwr and it shouldn't be. Go figure.
It has nothing to do with trying to force the card to be inefficient. It has everything to do with the card being neutered for no apparent reason.
O, we know the reason. Slimy scumbags.
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Re: 3080 ftw3 ultra LHR Xoc bios not 450w
2022/08/11 13:49:27
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I've got a RTX 3080 FTW3 Ultra Gaming 10GB LHR Version and upgraded it with the Hybrid Kit two days ago. BIOS switch on the pcb is set to OC.
Flashed the original EVGA 450 W XOC BIOS Version 94.02.71.40.DB from their forum page.
In Precision X1 it is correctly shown as a RTX 3080 FTW3 Ultra Hybrid Gaming now.
After some OC'ing in PX1 (+998 Memory / +160 Core / +100 mV / PL 118%) i started a timespy benchmark:
PCI-E Slot: 53.0 W
8-Pin 1: 134.3 W
8-Pin 2: 151.7 W
8-Pin 3: 85.1 W
Total: 424.1 W
Seems to be working so far.
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Re: 3080 ftw3 ultra LHR Xoc bios not 450w
2022/10/19 13:14:18
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I've got a RTX 3080 FTW3 Ultra Gaming 10GB LHR Version and upgraded it with the Hybrid Kit two days ago. BIOS switch on the pcb is set to OC.
Flashed the original EVGA 450 W XOC BIOS Version 94.02.71.40.DB from their forum page.
In Precision X1 it is correctly shown as a RTX 3080 FTW3 Ultra Hybrid Gaming now.
After some OC'ing in PX1 (+998 Memory / +160 Core / +100 mV / PL 118%) i started a timespy benchmark:
PCI-E Slot: 53.0 W
8-Pin 1: 134.3 W
8-Pin 2: 151.7 W
8-Pin 3: 85.1 W
Total: 424.1 W
Seems to be working so far.
Could you do me a favor and link me where you found that BIOS version. I have tried so many and none of them are working. I'd truly appreciate it!!
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Re: 3080 ftw3 ultra LHR Xoc bios not 450w
2022/10/19 14:47:20
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Redmane
I've got a RTX 3080 FTW3 Ultra Gaming 10GB LHR Version and upgraded it with the Hybrid Kit two days ago. BIOS switch on the pcb is set to OC.
Flashed the original EVGA 450 W XOC BIOS Version 94.02.71.40.DB from their forum page.
In Precision X1 it is correctly shown as a RTX 3080 FTW3 Ultra Hybrid Gaming now.
After some OC'ing in PX1 (+998 Memory / +160 Core / +100 mV / PL 118%) i started a timespy benchmark:
PCI-E Slot: 53.0 W
8-Pin 1: 134.3 W
8-Pin 2: 151.7 W
8-Pin 3: 85.1 W
Total: 424.1 W
Seems to be working so far.
Could you do me a favor and link me where you found that BIOS version. I have tried so many and none of them are working. I'd truly appreciate it!!
https://forums.evga.com/EVGA-GeForce-30-Series-HYBRIDXOCDefault-BIOS-Thread-m3407542.aspx
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Re: 3080 ftw3 ultra LHR Xoc bios not 450w
2022/11/05 17:15:54
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I am not getting the same results at all, tried both the 94.02.71.40.DB version for EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 HYBRID LHR
and also the 94.02.71.40.A9 version for EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 Ultra LHR
Both show 118% in Precision X1 but are still capped at around 405W max in any actual tests.
(With +500 memory, +200 gpu, +100 vcore.)
What gives?
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Re: 3080 ftw3 ultra LHR Xoc bios not 450w
2022/11/05 19:44:27
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What gives?
Ask EVGA for a warranty replacement
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Re: 3080 ftw3 ultra LHR Xoc bios not 450w
2022/11/06 08:47:06
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yorii
What gives?
Ask EVGA for a warranty replacement
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