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Would it be possible to get a more extreme bios with higher power limits? I have mine under a custom loop with 2 MORA3 420 Radiators.
I understand this would void my warranty and I would accept all risks and consequences of flashing it
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Re: 2080 ti FTW 3 Ultra XOC Bios
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Re: 2080 ti FTW 3 Ultra XOC Bios
2020/07/10 12:45:13
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Hi, sorry those are for the 2080 ti ftw3 ultra? Edit: :| E200 is the kingpin model
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Re: 2080 ti FTW 3 Ultra XOC Bios
2020/07/10 13:14:42
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sungandr860 Edit: :| E200 is the kingpin model
Correct. You said that you didn't mind voiding your warranty and accept the consequences. See post #283 here: https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/3063949It should work. Should give you a heck of a jump. And if it doesn't work for some reason, make sure that you leave one BIOS unaltered just for fallback.
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Re: 2080 ti FTW 3 Ultra XOC Bios
2020/07/10 13:18:01
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Wait so the kingpin bios can be flashed to the 2080ti ftw3 ultra? I thought this bios would only work on the kingpin card and some reference designs as I’ve seen on Reddit. Apologies I’m not too familiar with bios flashing
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Re: 2080 ti FTW 3 Ultra XOC Bios
2020/07/10 13:21:07
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It should work. Only one way to find out. Make sure you leave one BIOS unaltered just so that you have a fallback.
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Re: 2080 ti FTW 3 Ultra XOC Bios
2020/07/10 13:27:01
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It booted! Windows is fine, gpuz sees the kingpin card, used the 520w bios. I’ll have to do some testing :)
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Re: 2080 ti FTW 3 Ultra XOC Bios
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Re: 2080 ti FTW 3 Ultra XOC Bios
2020/07/10 13:55:49
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Darn found an issue, setting an overclock in precision x1 or afterburner doesn’t set. Clocks fluctuate around 1500-1650 in game. Already ddu’d and reinstalled drivers
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Re: 2080 ti FTW 3 Ultra XOC Bios
2020/07/10 14:05:02
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So no boost. Have you tried setting your power management mode inside the nvidia control panel to prefer maximum performance? How about forcing max boost via msi afterburner voltage/frequency curve editor using the lock feature/boost lock inside precision x1?
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Re: 2080 ti FTW 3 Ultra XOC Bios
2020/07/10 14:10:37
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Ok now it’s locked to 300, precision x1 boost lock doesn’t do anything, afterburner lock with control+l doesn’t work either, max performance is set in the control panel Edit: rebooting fixes the 300mhz lock, trying again Edit2: the boost lock works in the desktop, but as soon as Witcher 3 loads the gpu, it starts fluctuating between 1500-1650 again
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Re: 2080 ti FTW 3 Ultra XOC Bios
2020/07/10 14:16:36
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sungandr860 Edit2: the boost lock works in the desktop, but as soon as Witcher 3 loads the gpu, it starts fluctuating between 1500-1650 again
Was this with the power management mode set to prefer maximum performance inside the nvidia control panel? Edit: Just saw your edit.
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Re: 2080 ti FTW 3 Ultra XOC Bios
2020/07/10 14:17:19
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Yes sorry, I updated the previous post, it’s set to max performance
Edit: I’m on the latest driver, I’ll downgrade later as a test
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Re: 2080 ti FTW 3 Ultra XOC Bios
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Re: 2080 ti FTW 3 Ultra XOC Bios
2020/07/10 14:29:31
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Just flashed it, testing now Edit: appears to be the same issue, I’ll downgrade the drivers Edit2: no dice still not locking
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Re: 2080 ti FTW 3 Ultra XOC Bios
2020/07/10 14:43:51
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Guess your only choice is to use the xoc vbios, but it will void your warranty.
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Re: 2080 ti FTW 3 Ultra XOC Bios
2020/07/13 06:49:37
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So realistically if I use the 2000w bios I should be able to set a limit so 20% would be 400 watts, about 30 more than the original bios. I would be limited by the physical pcie power plugs, would 400-500 be unrealistic? There are some videos on YouTube reaching ~530 watts with the bios.
Probably wrong here, was reading some specs about the 8pin pcie and how it maxes out at 150 watts? So 150 + 150 + 75 375 watts max.
I have a seasonic 1000w titanium psu so I think that should be ok.
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Re: 2080 ti FTW 3 Ultra XOC Bios
2020/07/13 06:59:49
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That can't be right or wouldn't be able to get over 800 watts from a 2080 ti
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Re: 2080 ti FTW 3 Ultra XOC Bios
2020/07/13 07:08:34
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Even if you put the kingpin bios on your ftw3 your not going to get the same results because the PCB doesn't have the same components of the kingpin PCB. Your still going to be limited because of the cooling even if it's a custom loop. The only way of really benefiting from kingpin bios is using a chiller, ln2, or dice. The small gain from flashing the kingpin bios to the ftw3 is not enough to take the chance of bricking your card or voiding the warranty. An extra 30-40 watts is not a big enough improvement in gaming to visually notice your fps and make it worth it.
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Re: 2080 ti FTW 3 Ultra XOC Bios
2020/07/13 07:16:30
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Yea the 150 figure I mentioned would be for crappy power supply units it’s more around 300 watts per 8 pin. I might flash it when I get home, if it’s anything like the YouTube video another 130 watts should provide a nice boost.
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Re: 2080 ti FTW 3 Ultra XOC Bios
2020/07/13 10:22:32
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sparetimepc Even if you put the kingpin bios on your ftw3 your not going to get the same results because the PCB doesn't have the same components of the kingpin PCB. Your still going to be limited because of the cooling even if it's a custom loop. The only way of really benefiting from kingpin bios is using a chiller, ln2, or dice. The small gain from flashing the kingpin bios to the ftw3 is not enough to take the chance of bricking your card or voiding the warranty. An extra 30-40 watts is not a big enough improvement in gaming to visually notice your fps and make it worth it.
As I linked above, another user went from 378 watts to 590 watts using this BIOS on a non-Kingpin card. I think it will be noticeable. It's way may than 30 or 40 watts increase. 212 watts increase in that example. As I said in the thread that I linked above, I think that it will cause premature GPU failure, but everyone is welcome to use their GPU the way that they wish. A long boring life, or a premature exciting death.
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Re: 2080 ti FTW 3 Ultra XOC Bios
2020/07/13 10:27:39
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Yeah I know, to all there own for sure. I figure if ya want kingpin performance and options buy the kingpin.
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Re: 2080 ti FTW 3 Ultra XOC Bios
2020/07/13 11:02:07
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sparetimepc Yeah I know, to all there own for sure. I figure if ya want kingpin performance and options buy the kingpin.
I bought the 2080 ti before the kingpin was released, I know the card I have won’t be able to reach the same performance. No idea why you’re constantly making a point of it. I’m just looking to squeeze more performance out of the card. Also I really doubt there would be a huge difference when on ambient cooling between the kingpin and the ftw3 ultra at the same temps. My card holds 2175 at 1.093v.
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Re: 2080 ti FTW 3 Ultra XOC Bios
2020/07/13 11:16:51
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Yeah a few of the kingpins would hit 2190 and a very few would hit 2205. The original AIO on the kingpin was very effective especially when adding better fans, even the custom loop was barely better. Once the chiller or other more extreme cooling was applied was when they went above and beyond by far
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Re: 2080 ti FTW 3 Ultra XOC Bios
2020/07/13 13:05:50
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sungandr860 So realistically if I use the 2000w bios I should be able to set a limit so 20% would be 400 watts, about 30 more than the original bios. I would be limited by the physical pcie power plugs, would 400-500 be unrealistic? There are some videos on YouTube reaching ~530 watts with the bios.
Probably wrong here, was reading some specs about the 8pin pcie and how it maxes out at 150 watts? So 150 + 150 + 75 375 watts max.
I have a seasonic 1000w titanium psu so I think that should be ok.
Nope as the power limit on the xoc vbios isn't adjustable. You can't adjust the voltage either. Power limit is locked to 100%, and voltage curve is disabled.
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Re: 2080 ti FTW 3 Ultra XOC Bios
2020/07/13 13:29:31
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sparetimepc Even if you put the kingpin bios on your ftw3 your not going to get the same results because the PCB doesn't have the same components of the kingpin PCB. Your still going to be limited because of the cooling even if it's a custom loop. The only way of really benefiting from kingpin bios is using a chiller, ln2, or dice. The small gain from flashing the kingpin bios to the ftw3 is not enough to take the chance of bricking your card or voiding the warranty. An extra 30-40 watts is not a big enough improvement in gaming to visually notice your fps and make it worth it.
As I linked above, another user went from 378 watts to 590 watts using this BIOS on a non-Kingpin card. I think it will be noticeable. It's way may than 30 or 40 watts increase. 212 watts increase in that example. As I said in the thread that I linked above, I think that it will cause premature GPU failure, but everyone is welcome to use their GPU the way that they wish. A long boring life, or a premature exciting death.
590 watts?!?! lol. nope. software readings are wrong. Let me show you how it really affects your card... Note: Turn down sound so your ears don't get blasted.
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Re: 2080 ti FTW 3 Ultra XOC Bios
2020/07/13 13:52:12
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The only time I've seen my card pull in the 600 watts range was when I was running 2205 MHz using the xoc vbios along with running 1.2v on the gpu core.
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Re: 2080 ti FTW 3 Ultra XOC Bios
2020/07/13 19:08:03
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Sajin 590 watts?!?! lol. nope. software readings are wrong.
Why? That's the input to NVIDIA's GPU boost. If NVIDIA's GPU boost operates based on information which is only 50% accurate, how does it operate at all? Let me show you how it really affects your card...
Note: Turn down sound so your ears don't get blasted.
So, those software readings aren't wrong? What's the difference?
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Re: 2080 ti FTW 3 Ultra XOC Bios
2020/07/13 19:46:34
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The readings on my card aren't software based. They are hardware based. GPU-Z readings are software based. I tried running gpu-z to see how it would do, and it seems like it was pretty spot on for me. Showed 333 for first vid, and 358 for second video. No idea how Cisco150 pulled 590w at 1.125v unless he ran furmark.
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Re: 2080 ti FTW 3 Ultra XOC Bios
2020/07/13 19:57:28
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Sajin The readings on my card aren't software based. They are hardware based.
Well... that is semantics. They are both software based. Or both hardware based. It depends on how you look at it. The reading is a hardware reading, but the display on your GPU's screen utilizes software. Or firmware. Again, semantics when it comes to definition of software versus firmware. GPU-Z readings are software based.
Yes, but they are also hardware based. What is physically measured on the card utilizes hardware. The exact same hardware which is used to display the reading on your GPU's screen. GPU-Z is an abstraction, but it uses the official NVAPI which is what NVIDIA uses to control its boost algorithm, so it wouldn't be normal for it to be inaccurate by 50%. I tried running gpu-z to see how it would do, and it seems like it was pretty spot on for me. Showed 333 for first vid, and 358 for second video. No idea how Cisco150 pulled 590w at 1.125v unless he ran furmark.
That's what I also don't understand.
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