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2017/10/29 06:27:13 (permalink)
I have 3x 1080ti hybrids in my case.  All have been working great for 6 weeks.  Max around 60C. Today I noticed my third card was at 90C!!  I removed it then my second card went from normal to 90C. Like the pumps decided to stop running.  Is there anyplace to actually see pump RPM?  
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    Re: 1080ti Hybrid Overheating, Pump not running? 2017/10/29 06:32:39 (permalink)
    You should be able to feel the tubes gently vibrating if the pump is running. It would be very strange for two pumps to go down at nearly the same time.
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    Re: 1080ti Hybrid Overheating, Pump not running? 2017/10/29 06:34:07 (permalink)
    I agree, but I've read posts of EVGA cards doing things like this apparently....  or running intermittently.  I am installing the latest version of nVidia drivers but I'd imagine this is controlled by firmware not drivers?
     
    I'll try the tube idea.
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    Re: 1080ti Hybrid Overheating, Pump not running? 2017/10/29 06:35:59 (permalink)
    It should be powered by the fan headers, which would definitely be firmware.

    Could you load Evga Precision XOC, and see if you can watch the thermal monitors on the card? I have not used the hybrid on the SC2, so I am unsure of pump monitoring on that gpu.
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    Re: 1080ti Hybrid Overheating, Pump not running? 2017/10/29 06:51:17 (permalink)
    To be quite honest I'm not sure if my second card was "normal" in hind sight.  Maybe that was my own hopes and dreams that it was somehow software.
     
    I can feel vibrations but they are different than my good card. Only the tube going to the radiator gets hot which indicates low flow.
     
    Looks like I am going to have to RMA both cards.  Really sucks, I've never had issues with a video card in fifteen years and this was my first time I went with EVGA.... and I build multiple rigs a year.
     
    Oh - and no pump info on precision X.  There's only one card here because I pulled both when I saw they were hot. I put one back in to troubleshoot more.
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    Re: 1080ti Hybrid Overheating, Pump not running? 2017/10/29 06:55:22 (permalink)
    EVGA has pretty good warranty assistance for the most part. Contact support and talk to them and see what they can set up for you. Also, I suggest emailing support directly with the serial numbers to both cards and let them know they are both exhibiting the same behavior. They may have some pretty good suggestions before you send them all the way back.

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    Re: 1080ti Hybrid Overheating, Pump not running? 2017/10/29 07:07:59 (permalink)
    I was able to attach a picture in the previous post when I used edit.  It is really strange both cards went hot at the same time... I even purposely lowered the temp to ensure no long term issues.  
     
    Support suggested removing and gently shaking (I guess for air bubbles).  It didn't help.  All my radiators are mounted above the cards in accordance with the instructions so that shouldn't happen anyways.
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    Re: 1080ti Hybrid Overheating, Pump not running? 2017/10/29 07:09:10 (permalink)
    Sounds like it was just bad timing then :-( get both sent back for replacement and get your system back online.
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    Re: 1080ti Hybrid Overheating, Pump not running? 2017/10/29 08:30:23 (permalink)
    How are the hoses orientated on your radiator ?
     
    My 1080Ti FTW3 Hybrids, need XOC running
     
    Your 2-GPUs factory Hybrid or conversion cards ?

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    Re: 1080ti Hybrid Overheating, Pump not running? 2017/10/29 09:06:23 (permalink)
    Factory hybrids.  I have the hoses coming out of the bottom of the radiator (so bubbles would go to the reservoir at the top).
     
    Looks like I'd have to pay shipping to RMA $800 cards.  That's painful... tempted to just hook them up to my custom loop.
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    Re: 1080ti Hybrid Overheating, Pump not running? 2017/10/29 09:16:29 (permalink)
    It’s normal to pay shipping back for RMA’s. It’s not fun, or cheap, but you may be able to package both cards and include both RMA paperwork and RMA numbers on one box to help keep the cost down some.
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    Re: 1080ti Hybrid Overheating, Pump not running? 2017/10/29 10:06:35 (permalink)
    I guess I'm used to practically every other industry.  EVGA could step up and set a new standard! heh.
     
    I'll bite the bullet and ship them.  If they were cheaper cards I might mess around.  I bought them this way for this very reason.
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    Re: 1080ti Hybrid Overheating, Pump not running? 2017/10/29 12:34:32 (permalink)
    Anyone know if my cards are the same layout as the reference PCB incase I wanted to just buy waterblocks?
     
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    Re: 1080ti Hybrid Overheating, Pump not running? 2017/10/30 11:31:11 (permalink)
    Not sure on the pcb, How long did you have/run the cards before these problems occured?
    I got one of the SC2 Hybrids when they first dropped and have had zero issue out of mine, but this post has made me worry. 
    Even when i have mine overclocked to 2037mhz and game for a couple hours it never goes above 60c Usually stays around low to mid 50's under hard load.
    I hope for the best and good turn around time for you. Atleast you still have one good card left, i know i can still slay almost every game with my one card.

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    Re: 1080ti Hybrid Overheating, Pump not running? 2017/10/30 12:30:04 (permalink)
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    Anyone know if my cards are the same layout as the reference PCB incase I wanted to just buy waterblocks?
     
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    Looking on ekwb for your card they don't make a block for it or the regular non hybrid sc2 card. Looks like the regular evga sc card is the reference design.

    No idea what's different between the sc and sc2 evga cards.

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    Re: 1080ti Hybrid Overheating, Pump not running? 2017/10/31 07:24:27 (permalink)
    Against my better judgement I spliced the hoses and put in a custom water pump I had laying around.  Working great now!
     
    I justified it in my head as buying an already assembled waterblock (or G10 Kraken mod).    On the plus side I'm going to put my 9x140mm rad back into service.
     
    So the pumps were the culprit.  2 out of 3 cards.. looks like I won the bad side of the manufacturing lottery.
     
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    Re: 1080ti Hybrid Overheating, Pump not running? 2017/10/31 09:47:24 (permalink)
    So where is the pump located on the hybrid in stock setup? Isn't it on the part directly attached to the card? 
    So how does that work? Just not power the stock pump and let the aftermarket pump push around the free spinning stock pump?
    I assume you can't remove stock pump it if it's built into the waterblock. just curiosity taking over now.

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    Re: 1080ti Hybrid Overheating, Pump not running? 2017/10/31 09:53:28 (permalink)
    Hopefully the new pump isint too restricted too much to where it will kill it over time.. but I bet it will work much better now haha.

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    Re: 1080ti Hybrid Overheating, Pump not running? 2017/10/31 13:46:34 (permalink)
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    So where is the pump located on the hybrid in stock setup? Isn't it on the part directly attached to the card? 
    So how does that work? Just not power the stock pump and let the aftermarket pump push around the free spinning stock pump?
    I assume you can't remove stock pump it if it's built into the waterblock. just curiosity taking over now.


    Just put it in series with the existing pump. The temps are about the same (slightly lower but may be because of ambient).  I didn't want to try removing the existing pumps. I assumed they are epoxied or sonic welded and impossible to open anyways.
     
    So yeah, just put an aftermarket pump in series and used some brass 1/4" splicers (male to male) connectors from Home Depot for a few bucks (and some hose clamps).  You can basically add anything (radiator, ect.) by just splicing it but you need to fill it properly with the proper liquid, ect. 
     
    EVGA support was excellent but I can't be bothered to RMA. I had parts laying around anyways.
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    Re: 1080ti Hybrid Overheating, Pump not running? 2017/11/01 05:38:17 (permalink)
    Enjoy the voided warranties or the added cost of needing to purchase and install replacement hybrid kits of your own in order to restore your video cards' warranties.

    I am glad that they are working, though.

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    Re: 1080ti Hybrid Overheating, Pump not running? 2017/11/01 06:52:42 (permalink)
    BOLD & Interesting approach - necessity is the mother of invention
     
    Keep us updated on how this works for you longer term.
     
    Did EVGA confirm what type of liquid was in the factory cooler ?
     
    Did EVGA confirm what type of metals are in the factory cooler ?
     
    What is the hose ID ?
     
     

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    Re: 1080ti Hybrid Overheating, Pump not running? 2017/11/01 09:26:23 (permalink)
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    BOLD & Interesting approach - necessity is the mother of invention
     
    Keep us updated on how this works for you longer term.
     
    Did EVGA confirm what type of liquid was in the factory cooler ?
     
    Did EVGA confirm what type of metals are in the factory cooler ?
     
    What is the hose ID ?
     
     


    I believe ive read before the rad is aluminum? Would think the rest would be the same since you should not mix metals without corrosion occurring.

    Now since it's never ment to be drained, that would be some crazy stuff since the norm is to flush usually once every year or sooner.

    Distilled water id guess since it's completely sealed from the sun with no chance of bacteria growth.

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    Re: 1080ti Hybrid Overheating, Pump not running? 2017/11/01 10:01:32 (permalink)
    Not sure if its Aluminum
     
    Pure distilled water & Aluminum --> not the kind of testing I'd like to do

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    Re: 1080ti Hybrid Overheating, Pump not running? 2017/11/01 11:14:26 (permalink)
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    Not sure if its Aluminum
     
    Pure distilled water & Aluminum --> not the kind of testing I'd like to do


    Most likely what happened to my first ever water cooling rig that was all aluminum. Prob back in late 90s when water cooling was new. Pieced together kit from a local pc shop. Spent prob $350-400 for it and it may of lasted a few days! Thing died and took everything with it. :/ so pissed.

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    Most aio coolers are aluminum with higher prices ones made with copper.
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    Re: 1080ti Hybrid Overheating, Pump not running? 2017/11/02 08:05:29 (permalink)
    Sounds like a good solution.   Hopefully it lasts a long time.  When you put them in series like that, do you run it through one card, a radiator, then the next card? 
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    Re: 1080ti Hybrid Overheating, Pump not running? 2017/11/02 08:26:53 (permalink)
    Yeah, I changed it to card -> rad -> card -> rad -> pump. Not using a reservoir, just added a working pump. Normally you don't need to stagger the rads but I do have some flow restriction.

    I've read most AIOs are a gylcol mix and this appeared the same. Thick clear liquid.

    People generally overthink watercooling IMO. Don't mix metals but I work with industrial systems and they aren't nearly as anal.
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    Re: 1080ti Hybrid Overheating, Pump not running? 2017/11/02 19:09:38 (permalink)
    Welp,

    Third and final card crapped the bed. Tomorrow I am going to say hell with it and throw in my good mcp655 pump and 9x140mm rad. Run all three cards off it.

    I checked it at multiple times and the card was always at 59C, which is great, so beyond me why they all crapped the bed. Noticed it was slow a few minutes ago and it was at 91C. I am imagine EVGA will have a batch of RMAs on their hands though.

    Oh also - 1/4" fittings.
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    Re: 1080ti Hybrid Overheating, Pump not running? 2017/11/21 11:11:42 (permalink)
    I just wanted to chime in and say I believe my 1080ti hybrid pump failed today as well. I'm not home yet to check but I logged on remotely and saw the temperature was 91c! and fans running at 100%. This was at idle, on the desktop, nothing running. Typically this card doesn't go above 51-54c at full load. 
     
    I just finished the warranty process for my evga 1080ti founders edition so if i have to warranty this one, that's a bummer. However, it's nice that evga offers replacements. Wish they would cover shipping though as it is $30 or so. 
     
    Side note: I've had this 1080ti hybrid for less than a month and have barely used it.
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    Re: 1080ti Hybrid Overheating, Pump not running? 2017/11/21 11:21:47 (permalink)
    Slap a ek 1080ti block on it in a custom loop and forget about it.

    I get 31-33c on load with a ek 120.3 rad. 22c idle.

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    Re: 1080ti Hybrid Overheating, Pump not running? 2017/11/21 11:26:40 (permalink)
    I haven't had any experience with custom loops. How much maintenance does it require?
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