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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/09 06:10:41
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Do you want me to just disable it via the nvidia control panel or just shut down and remove the SLI cable? I can't really remove this card from the PCI slot. You have no idea how much of a pain it was to screw the card into the case (because of how big it is).
i believe there is on and off switches for the pci-e lanes, i have the formula version and its on the right side of my motherboard, those switches are for these exact circumstances of not having to remove the video card. a little red box (3/4" squared) with 4 white switches labeled 1-4
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/09 08:39:47
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Are you running AISuite and PrecX or MSI AB at the same time? If so, close AISuite and see what happens. Running these programs at the same time can cause issue's. Worth a shot...
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/09 11:05:12
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What is your Heaven score if you run full screen at 1080p? I believe the reason your score is low is that the basic benchmark you ran, runs at like 800x600. At that non-native resolution of your monitor, I believe it will be more CPU bound than GPU bound. I see your 3930K is "only" running at 4GHz, which is relatively low, but since you are only running an air cooler you might not be able to overclock it more. Although that wouldn't necessarily explain your BF4 FPS. Hopefully maniacvvv will chime in, he is the BF3/BF4 guru around the forum. That's what I would start with. Run the bench again at full screen 1080 and see if that makes a difference. Also try running the Valley benchmark, also by Unigine and report back your results. Maybe something is goofy with Heaven. It would be good to have another data point to help troubleshoot. Two last things I just thought of, since you were running AMD cards before, doubly make sure all traces of the Catalyst drivers are removed. And lastly, test each card separately to see if one is performing differently than the other. Good luck!
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/09 11:34:31
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Hmmmm, there's a PCI E issue still I suppose
You should be getting crazy framerates
I don't think my 4930k running at 4.5 GHz would make a 100+ FPS difference on your K|NGP|N SLi
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Use one card in PCIE16 first lane
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Do what MCMada said, check for MOBO customization switches and BIOS options for PCIE Lane configuration options
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/09 15:22:41
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So I ran a test in bf4 with SLI disabled (not via PCI-E lane switch yet) but just from the Nvidia control panel. Here's my results. FPS ranged from 80-110 like this which is as high or higher than when I'm running in SLI.  Here's the usage with 1 card running and the other one disabled in the control panel in BF4: (via logitech keyboard)  PCI configuration in my BIOS:  Picture of PCI lane switches to show I ran the test with all lanes enabled (like I said SLI disabled in nvidia control panel). The weird thing I noticed here is that even though both cards are running only the first two lanes light up. I skipped the second lane (size of the cards) so I'm wondering why this is.  Going to run these tests again with one card and disable the second card via the switches.
post edited by blazeofx - 2014/04/09 15:25:05
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/09 15:54:57
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Unigine Heaven 4.0 1920 x 1080 fullscreen extreme test. Results were very similar both times I ran it: Results at the end:  Picture confirming I had just one card running after the test was concluded:  I'll run 3DMark with a single card.
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/09 15:56:50
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Are you running AISuite and PrecX or MSI AB at the same time? If so, close AISuite and see what happens. Running these programs at the same time can cause issue's. Worth a shot...
I was. All my testing in my latest post in unigen is with the AISuite process ended before testing.
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/09 16:29:32
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/09 17:00:29
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EXCELLENT, now that's normal result. Test both cards to confirm everything is OK with cards. I knew cards are normal. Now way and with Window mode and low resolution I got 5800 score yesterday, something else was problem. And temps is completely normal. Make some nice custom fan profile in EVGA Precision or set manual fan speed on 75-80% when you test cards. Card is really push to the max for gaming on LN2 BIOS. Only 20-30MHz more and she will drop clock from 1250MHz on 1200MHz because limited power target in 3DMark 11. I got only 5% free space. OK in games and in other test is much lower but if you OC card more with LN2 BIOS card will drop clock only in 3DMark 11 little because power target limit. Exactly to the end they push. It would be nice some BIOS with 130% power target, normal Samsung latency as out of box and enabled boost.
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/09 17:02:34
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EXCELLENT, now that's normal result.
Test both cards to confirm everything is OK with cards. I knew cards are normal.
Now way and with Window mode and low resolution I got 5800 score yesterday, something else was problem.
And temps is completely normal. Make some nice custom fan profile in EVGA Precision or set manual fan speed on 75-80% when you test cards.
I actually don't need to change the fan speed at all. Even when I was running tests with them in SLI the highest temp I saw was 82 on auto fan speed. Since I can't remove the first card and put the second one in the first slot can I just shut off the first card with the second one running in the same spot and re-test?
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/09 17:06:49
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Windows update KB2670838 is known to affect game performance, benchmark scores & SLI performance. Remove it then reboot your PC if you have it installed.
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/09 17:08:10
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That's much better, the 3DMARK Firestrike score is more like mine now with one card
The only issue now is the second card.
If you swap them in the same slot and get the same performance, it's confirmed that something on the mobo or in the BIOS is limiting the performance
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/09 17:08:26
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It's better to change and if you play games in closed case temps will fast increase on 85C because Air stay in case.
Without side panel in same situation temps will drop on 74-75C.... This is strong card with very high clock and it's normal to increase fan speed.
People usually use 100% fan speed on such overclocked cards but enough is 70-80%.
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/09 17:08:35
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Windows update KB2670838 is known to affect game performance, benchmark scores & SLI performance. Remove it then reboot your PC if you have it installed.
I appreciate it a lot bro but I don't have that update. Actually, I only have 3 of them.
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/09 17:21:52
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I install all updates. I think both cards are OK. I mean it's much bigger chance to card work or not work than to give some crazy little score. OK, some cards give really lower score for 10%, but all my EVGA cards give official score comparable with same models out of box. I never thought after first test What is this why my score is lower than others, always always similar, very close to others. Except P score because I don't have Intel Extreme, GPU score always OK out of box.
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/09 17:33:44
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Picture of PCI lane switches to show I ran the test with all lanes enabled (like I said SLI disabled in nvidia control panel). The weird thing I noticed here is that even though both cards are running only the first two lanes light up. I skipped the second lane (size of the cards) so I'm wondering why this is.
Going to run these tests again with one card and disable the second card via the switches.
Only 1 & 3 should be lit here, something is definitely going with your board. Have you tried clearing the CMOS?
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/09 17:34:04
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That's much better, the 3DMARK Firestrike score is more like mine now with one card The only issue now is the second card.If you swap them in the same slot and get the same performance, it's confirmed that something on the mobo or in the BIOS is limiting the performance
For sure dude. The only issue is removing the first card and putting the second one in its place. It took me two hours to get my cards screwed in as I had to go through those tiny holes you see in my case in the first picture. Wouldn't testing the second card with the first PCI lane shut off give me the confirmation we need?
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/09 17:36:43
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blazeofxPicture of PCI lane switches to show I ran the test with all lanes enabled (like I said SLI disabled in nvidia control panel). The weird thing I noticed here is that even though both cards are running only the first two lanes light up. I skipped the second lane (size of the cards) so I'm wondering why this is. Going to run these tests again with one card and disable the second card via the switches.
Only 1 & 3 should be lit here, something is definitely going with your board. Have you tried clearing the CMOS?
Nope. Kind of odd that everything is being recognized okay here but my performance is garbage in SLI if something was seriously going on. I'd be quick to blame the third PCI lane if I wasn't running crossfire perfectly fine 3 days ago (know what I mean?).
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/09 17:42:42
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I'm thinking the reason you are getting garbage performance in SLI is because your board isn't supplying the correct voltage to the PCI-E Bus, the led beside switch 3 should be solid indicating that the lane is getting full power. It's currently not getting the correct power to the Bus, lane two is getting full power without anything even installed in it. Were you running crossfire in lanes 1 & 3 like now or lanes 1 & 2?
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/09 17:55:11
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Well sajin you were right. I just reconnected the SLI bridge and switched the power back on to the third slot. No/insufficient power running to the lane. The LED works for the first card and not the second. While starting (which does start fine) the fan speed on one of these cards goes ballistic. I'm thinking it's the second one.
Either my PSU or mobo is done for.
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/09 17:56:41
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I'm thinking the reason you are getting garbage performance in SLI is because your board isn't supplying the correct voltage to the PCI-E Bus, the led beside switch 3 should be solid indicating that the lane is getting full power. It's currently not getting the correct power to the Bus, lane two is getting full power without anything even installed in it. Were you running crossfire in lanes 1 & 3 like now or lanes 1 & 2?
I was running in 1 and 3 with my sound card in the middle. I figured these beasts would need more breathing room so I bumped the sound card down to the PCI slot.
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/09 18:03:00
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Maybe I'm missing something here, But What Happens when you Enable SLI in the Nvidia Control Panel and Turn lane switches 1 and 3 to the ON Position?
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/09 18:04:09
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Well sajin you were right. I just reconnected the SLI bridge and switched the power back on to the third slot. No/insufficient power running to the lane. The LED works for the first card and not the second. While starting (which does start fine) the fan speed on one of these cards goes ballistic. I'm thinking it's the second one.
Either my PSU or mobo is done for.
The 2nd card may be having a issue. I highly recommend you put it into slot #1 and re-run 3dmark to see if you can match the other cards performance. Make sure to use the same PSU cable to rule out a faulty PSU cable.
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/09 18:06:12
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Well sajin you were right. I just reconnected the SLI bridge and switched the power back on to the third slot. No/insufficient power running to the lane. The LED works for the first card and not the second. While starting (which does start fine) the fan speed on one of these cards goes ballistic. I'm thinking it's the second one.
Either my PSU or mobo is done for.
The 2nd card may be having a issue. I highly recommend you put it into slot #1 and re-run 3dmark to see if you can match the other cards performance. Make sure to use the same PSU cable to rule out a faulty PSU cable.
Yeah I'm going to have to pull it out and place it in the first slot. Wish me luck.
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/09 18:06:12
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Maybe I'm missing something here, But What Happens when you Enable SLI in the Nvidia Control Panel and Turn lane switches 1 and 3 to the ON Position?
lol, ON is to the right or left? the lane shouldn't be lit if the lane is off now should it?
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/09 18:09:43
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No Lights should be lit if the switches are off to the right in the pic. On My ASUS RIV BE, ON is towards the Left to enable that lane.
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/09 18:12:03
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Well sajin you were right. I just reconnected the SLI bridge and switched the power back on to the third slot. No/insufficient power running to the lane. The LED works for the first card and not the second. While starting (which does start fine) the fan speed on one of these cards goes ballistic. I'm thinking it's the second one.
Either my PSU or mobo is done for.
The 2nd card may be having a issue. I highly recommend you put it into slot #1 and re-run 3dmark to see if you can match the other cards performance. Make sure to use the same PSU cable to rule out a faulty PSU cable.
Yeah I'm going to have to pull it out and place it in the first slot. Wish me luck.
I am reading the drama unfold. Good luck!
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/09 18:57:24
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awesome cards dude very nice rig you've got also..
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RDKing2
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/09 19:02:49
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Probably already know this but does your MB have an extra molex or 4 pin connection to supply more power to the PCI lanes and is it hooked up? Recommended for SLI. Edit- there is a 6 pin connector above your first slot. Not connected in the pics you posted but you may not have been done. Hook it up if you have not.
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/09 19:17:59
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RDKing2
Probably already know this but does your MB have an extra molex or 4 pin connection to supply more power to the PCI lanes and is it hooked up? Recommended for SLI.
Edit- there is a 6 pin connector above your first slot. Not connected in the pics you posted but you may not have been done. Hook it up if you have not.
Good catch, but it's only necessary for 4-way SLI so says the manual... EZ Plug connectors (6-pin EZ_PLUG_1; 4-pin EZ_PLUG_2) The EZ Plug connectors provide additional power to the memory modules and PCI Express 3.0 x16 slots. Connect a 6-pin power cable to EZ_PLUG_1 when installing four PCIe3.0 x16 display cards to provide sufficient power supply. Connect a 4-pin power cable to EZ_PLUG_2 to provide stable power supply to the DIMMs.
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