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Alright so I set up my Kingpins yesterday shortly after they arrived. Here are some pics.      So I found out last night that apparently my 3930k doesn't support PCI-E 3.0. I found that to be odd, especially since x79 was brand new when I bought the Rampage IV (which supports 3.0) and the CPU at the same time. Apparently there's two revisions of the 3930k, the latter having full PCI-E 3.0 capability. I searched around on the internet and find it odd that Radeon users report this issue being fixed (at least in the 7xxx series and beyond) via AMD drivers. Which begs the question why Nvidia still hasn't formally fixed this? I did a "patch" that did make my GPU-Z recognize the cards as PCI-E 3.0 16x (first card) and 8x (second card) which was meant to be for the GTX 6xx series of cards. Wonder why they both aren't 16x since both lanes are 16x slots. I'm beginning to wonder if this patch is anything more than tricking the OS into believing you're actually running 3.0 to silence those who had problems previously. I realize it only really matters for tri or quad-sli but sucks nonetheless since I'm running a beast mobo+cpu combo. I've noticed the frame rates in BF4 seem to be lower on Low, Medium, High, and Ultra than my previous 6970s. It's between 45-100 FPS on each of these with little to no difference between them while clocks ramped up to 1071 with each GPU being at about 50/40% usage at 62C or so. I should be able to hit 144 FPS on ultra without a hitch on these bad boys even though the game is pretty unoptimized. I could hit 120 FPS no problem with my Crossfire 6970 setup. Called up EVGA and the tech gave me some crap about installing the latest beta driver (which I had already). Then he told me I had to install the driver again with the SLI bridge disconnected (lol?). I ended up getting almost nowhere. The above benchmark was Unigen Heaven on the basic preset. If I try the extreme version my 1000W SmartUPS on the floor starts to overload and I can tell if I finish the test it'll fry it. If you guys need more results I'll directly plug it into the wall and have a go. Ideas? edit: I'm running the 1404 BIOS from 2012. I don't see much of a reason to upgrade it with this kind of issue. I don't really see any patch notes that would nudge me to do it as I don't see it helping much. I tried to update it anyways and the EZ Flash2 utility in the BIOS doesn't recognize the file.
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/08 18:03:18
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/08 18:10:24
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Nice build.
Thanks dude. I worked hard to make it nice and neat in there. To bad these things require so many power cables I have to figure out a way to prevent them from completely ruining my side panel fan, lol. It's still on top of my machine.
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/08 18:13:06
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Also regarding PCI-E 3.0, you must run the patch on X79 platform. The patch is not needed on Z77/Z87.
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/08 18:14:06
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I am a bit confused about your Benchmarks. The Heaven benchmark is fairly low for your setup in SLI, specially at the resolution stated. My 780s SLI get more than that at higher settings. I also get 140+ FPS on BF4 on Ultra settings with 780s. Did you turn on SLI??? OH, also... why are you running the Benchmark on Windowed mode; should be fullscreen. Anyway, check those things.
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/08 18:16:31
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I am a bit confused about your Benchmarks. The Heaven benchmark is fairly low for your setup in SLI, specially at the resolution stated. My 780s SLI get more than that at higher settings. I also get 140+ FPS on BF4 on Ultra settings with 780s. Did you turn on SLI??? OH, also... why are you running the Benchmark on Windowed mode; should be fullscreen. Anyway, check those things.
Haha.. you can never be too careful about the stupidity of some people which I know is why you're asking me stuff like "is SLI on?". Some people would make that mistake, lol. Yeah I know it's really low and yes I have SLI enabled. And the reason why it's not fullscreen is because the basic benchmark runs at a much lower resolution than my native res.
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/08 18:25:08
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ASIC Quality of both cards:  System Info in Nvidia Control Panel:  GPU-Z and Nvidia Control Panel both confirming SLI is enabled and showing the configuration: 
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/08 18:42:08
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shadowboricua
I am a bit confused about your Benchmarks. The Heaven benchmark is fairly low for your setup in SLI, specially at the resolution stated. My 780s SLI get more than that at higher settings. I also get 140+ FPS on BF4 on Ultra settings with 780s. Did you turn on SLI??? OH, also... why are you running the Benchmark on Windowed mode; should be fullscreen. Anyway, check those things.
Haha.. you can never be too careful about the stupidity of some people which I know is why you're asking me stuff like "is SLI on?". Some people would make that mistake, lol. Yeah I know it's really low and yes I have SLI enabled.
And the reason why it's not fullscreen is because the basic benchmark runs at a much lower resolution than my native res.
Exactly; and to get the actual benchmark to work accurately, you should run it fullscreen. Some people are stupid and run the benchmark windowed ;-)
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/08 18:44:39
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I am a bit confused about your Benchmarks. The Heaven benchmark is fairly low for your setup in SLI, specially at the resolution stated. My 780s SLI get more than that at higher settings. I also get 140+ FPS on BF4 on Ultra settings with 780s. Did you turn on SLI??? OH, also... why are you running the Benchmark on Windowed mode; should be fullscreen. Anyway, check those things.
Haha.. you can never be too careful about the stupidity of some people which I know is why you're asking me stuff like "is SLI on?". Some people would make that mistake, lol. Yeah I know it's really low and yes I have SLI enabled.
And the reason why it's not fullscreen is because the basic benchmark runs at a much lower resolution than my native res.
Exactly; and to get the actual benchmark to work accurately, you should run it fullscreen. Some people are stupid and run the benchmark windowed ;-)
I would have changed it but I figured people would get a better reference point based on me changing nothing but the preset to basic. I didn't want to mess with anything so you guys could accurately gauge my results.
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/08 18:47:14
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Also, the BIOS mode is normal (not LN2).
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/08 18:53:32
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You may want to try a different benchmark as well. 3dmark.
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/08 18:55:46
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You may want to try a different benchmark as well.
3dmark.
I'll install the program, shut my computer down, and plug it into the wall instead of the UPS. What kind of settings do you need me to run on here to be able to tell what's going on?
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/08 20:45:31
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No, that's something problem with driver, or software or better test one by one card...
Or you screw something trying to enable PCIE-3.0 on X79 i7-3930K.
Unigine Heaven 4.0 Settings
API: DirectX 11
Quality: Ultra
Tessellation: Extreme
Anti-aliasing: x8
Full Sreen: Enable
Resolution: 1920x1080
Score should be ... I don't know ..1700+
I don't know scaling for two cards, that's for single...
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/08 20:48:37
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Nice build. Those cards are perty too. 
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/08 20:56:11
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No, that's something problem with driver, or software or better test one by one card...
Or you screw something trying to enable PCIE-3.0 on X79 i7-3930K.
Unigine Heaven 4.0 Settings
API: DirectX 11
Quality: Ultra
Tessellation: Extreme
Anti-aliasing: x8
Full Sreen: Enable
Resolution: 1920x1080
Score should be ... I don't know ..1700+
I don't know scaling for two cards, that's for single...
The scores were that low even before I ever made it 3.0.
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/08 20:56:57
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Yea build is really nice, ACX cards look fantastic in SLI... I would like to have this in house...  GTX680 Classified is huge... On this picture look bigger than other... Only miss Z87 Classified and Z68 FTW motherboards
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/08 22:43:51
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If you're running a BIOS from 2012, that's the issue
There's no reason why you shouldn't be getting 175FPS+ on Ultra in BF4 as I am on 1 K|NGP|N with my 4930K
You also may need to convert the BIOS before you can actually upgrade it depending on how old yours is
It's a simple procedure however you may need to use the BIOS Flashback button on the back of the Mobo instead of the EZflash utility depending on what operation you're performing, CAP conversion or updating the bios itself
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/08 22:46:29
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Rampage-IV-Extreme-CAP-Converter 1.The file contains the BIOS Converter utility and The BIOS Converter User Guide for X79 series. 2.The utility converts the BIOS structure from .ROM to .CAP for Windows 8 full-functionality. 3.The utility converts the BIOS directly to BIOS version 2105.CAP. *If your BIOS version is 1404 or older, please install the BIOS Converter first before you update the BIOS.File Size 6,35 MBytes update http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/LGA2011/Rampage_IV_Extreme/Rampage-IV-Extreme-CAP-Converter.zip
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/08 22:47:30
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Well I tested it in Team Fortress 2 (which runs DX9)... FPS goes anywhere from 300 (with fps_max 1000 for testing purposes) all the way down to 50. That's pretty terrible... actually that's REALLY terrible. Especially for Direct X 9 without the graphics turned all the way up. I've been screwing with these all of last night + all day today and no luck. I even did a wipe of all my display stuff with Display Driver Uninstaller from Guru3D and I'm still having issues. If I don't get this figured out in a day or two these things are getting sent back and xfire is getting hooked back up.
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/08 22:48:30
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Rampage-IV-Extreme-CAP-Converter
1.The file contains the BIOS Converter utility and The BIOS Converter User Guide for X79 series.
2.The utility converts the BIOS structure from .ROM to .CAP for Windows 8 full-functionality.
3.The utility converts the BIOS directly to BIOS version 2105.CAP.
*If your BIOS version is 1404 or older, please install the BIOS Converter first before you update the BIOS.File Size 6,35 MBytes update
http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/LGA2011/Rampage_IV_Extreme/Rampage-IV-Extreme-CAP-Converter.zip
Thanks by the way for this.
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/08 23:03:36
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Everything will be OK, only test one by one cards in 3DMarks and Unigine Heaven, leave PCIE 2.0 for now if you have problem to fix that.
With PCIE 2.0 score will be similar... Don't even think on XFire, SLI is much better, and lot of people here use SLI KP Classified or Normal Classified. You will see, that's some bug, that result is smaller than GTX580 single. Something not work right. Don't look in games now...
One will say I have 150 fps, other I have 142 fps...Benchmark will give you clear picture because results are similar for specific cards.
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/08 23:42:48
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Your score in Heaven at the above mentioned settings should easily be in the 3000 range. Just looked at my score I had written down on stock Titans it is over 3200. I know my friend had to mess with some windows drivers in win8 to get his 780ti's performing right on the 2011 platform.
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/09 00:13:39
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Battlefield 4 FPS at ultra with the December 2013 BIOS directly from Asus. Flashed 100% with no problems.  FPS is terrible.
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2014/04/09 00:15:07
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Your score in Heaven at the above mentioned settings should easily be in the 3000 range.
Please... don't remind me. I know my scores should we waaaaaaaaaaaaay over what they were in the picture lol. RDKing2
Just looked at my score I had written down on stock Titans it is over 3200. I know my friend had to mess with some windows drivers in win8 to get his 780ti's performing right on the 2011 platform.
I hated windows 8 with a PASSION. I ran it for a year and vowed never to return to it again. Does ANYONE have ANY clue as to what's going on here? I've thought of just about everything remotely possible that could be causing this terrible performance.
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/09 00:32:33
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Please do what I tell you...
Reinstall windows and Install normal everything, drivers, updates, best BIOS for your motherboard and CPU and test card one by one.
With PCIE 2.0 you will not lose more than 5%. That is not possible to give that score...
Simply that's performance of GTX460 single or I don't know. Set exactly settings I tell you in Unigine Heaven than.
Always when someone buy two cards test both and than try SLI.
How strong is your PSU??? Reliable or not??? This card eat power,
fan on my Seasonic X-750 spin on full speed as never before and card is on stock.
Don't mess with PCIE 3.0, people get fps drops, somewhere work excellent, somewhere not, on PCIE 2.0 work excellent.
Here people play on X58 1136 i7-950 and GTX780Ti or SLI and results are normal.
When you finish 3DMark 11, 3DMark Firestrike, Unigine Heaven and Valley then you can try games. Good luck, I hope you will fix.
I'm sorry because I'm not there to help you and find problems, that PSU with led lights and weird connectors always are somehow suspicios for me but maybe is excellent I don't know. Must be over 1000W Min or better 1200W if you want something more.
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/09 00:40:05
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Please do what I tell you...
Reinstall windows and Install normal everything, drivers, updates, best BIOS for your motherboard and CPU and test card one by one.
With PCIE 2.0 you will not lose more than 5%. That is not possible to give that score...
Simply that's performance of GTX460 single or I don't know. Set exactly settings I tell you in Unigine Heaven than.
Always when someone buy two cards test both and than try SLI.
How strong is your PSU??? Reliable or not??? This card eat power,
fan on my Seasonic X-750 spin on full speed as never before and card is on stock.
Don't mess with PCIE 3.0, people get fps drops, somewhere work excellent, somewhere not, on PCIE 2.0 work excellent.
Here people play on X58 1136 i7-950 and GTX780Ti or SLI and results are normal.
When you finish 3DMark 11, 3DMark Firestrike, Unigine Heaven and Valley then you can try games. Good luck, I hope you will fix.
I'm sorry because I'm not there to help you and find problems, that PSU with led lights and weird connectors always are somehow suspicios for me but maybe is excellent I don't know. Must be over 1000W Min or better 1200W if you want something more.
lol. It's like I told you above.. these scores and FPS drops were present BEFORE I ever used the nvidia tool to make my cards run on the PCI-E 3.0 interface. My point was that with two radeon cards from 2010 (6970s) in crossfire got about 3x better performance than SLI right out of the box. I even deleted all traces of drivers on my install (even in the registry). In order to change anything (settings wise) in 3DMark (on any test) you need to purchase the full copy. I know I have problems so I'm not going to purchase it just to confirm my suspicions. The PSU shouldn't worry you. It's a Rosewill Lightning 1300 watt modular PSU and all the voltages check out. I'm monitoring them with AISuite and in the BIOS. That's OK. The LEDs are just fancy and I like fancy crap in my case because I'm a nerd. Besides, with 1300 watts I could run quad-sli lol.
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
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I understand.
You don't need to purchase full copy 3DMark 11 and Firestrike for performance score, you can test but all test together can't custom test...
Result is about 5800 points on your settings with 3770k and single GTX780Ti KPC... I think it's some bug and possible to fix...
OK did you try one card only to test... For Unigine Valley you don't need to pay nothing...
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/09 00:49:23
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Vlada011
I understand.
You don't need to purchase full copy 3DMark 11 and Firestrike for performance score, you can test but all test together can't custom test...
Result is about 5800 points on your settings with 3770k and single GTX780Ti KPC... I think it's some bug and possible to fix...
OK did you try one card only to test... For Unigine Valley you don't need to pay nothing...
I'll disconnect SLI and try a test with a single card.
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/09 00:55:20
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Do you want me to just disable it via the nvidia control panel or just shut down and remove the SLI cable? I can't really remove this card from the PCI slot. You have no idea how much of a pain it was to screw the card into the case (because of how big it is).
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Re: So the kingpins are set up. Pics inside and a question for you.
2014/04/09 03:29:02
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I know little is tricky to hit hole on bracket, I don't have magnet on screw driver than it's even harder but I pretty fast connect.
Best is to remove card from slot but if you don't want never mind.
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