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2016/08/17 08:11:24 (permalink)
Hi all.
Just curious I got a pair of GeForce 1080 sc versions a few weeks ago.
I opened them today to put the water blocks on and was surprised to see near the pcie part of the pcb no evga or nvidia emblem it just has like some numbers.
Just wondering what the go is with that lol?.
I can't even find another card that has that in any photos on google or anything.
I'm not complaining by any means just curious.

Thanks. :)
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    Re: New vega GeForce 1080 act sc cards no emblem nvidia or evga?. 2016/08/17 08:36:56 (permalink)
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    Re: New vega GeForce 1080 act sc cards no emblem nvidia or evga?. 2016/08/17 08:37:56 (permalink)
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    Hi all.
    Just curious I got a pair of GeForce 1080 sc versions a few weeks ago.
    I opened them today to put the water blocks on and was surprised to see near the pcie part of the pcb no evga or nvidia emblem it just has like some numbers.
    Just wondering what the go is with that lol?.
    I can't even find another card that has that in any photos on google or anything.
    I'm not complaining by any means just curious.

    Thanks. :)



    The NVIDIA logo is under that sticker (if that is the 'numbers' you are talking about).

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    Re: New vega GeForce 1080 act sc cards no emblem nvidia or evga?. 2016/08/17 10:32:26 (permalink)
    unix443
    Hi all.
    Just curious I got a pair of GeForce 1080 sc versions a few weeks ago.
    I opened them today to put the water blocks on and was surprised to see near the pcie part of the pcb no evga or nvidia emblem it just has like some numbers.
    Just wondering what the go is with that lol?.
    I can't even find another card that has that in any photos on google or anything.
    I'm not complaining by any means just curious.

    Thanks. :)

    http://forums.evga.com/FindPost/2522315
     
    CoercionShaman
    The NVIDIA logo is under that sticker (if that is the 'numbers' you are talking about).

    Nope.
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    Re: New vega GeForce 1080 act sc cards no emblem nvidia or evga?. 2016/08/17 11:13:23 (permalink)
    At least some of the early reference boards were actually made by NVIDIA, Sajin. I've seen the teardown. They just came from the Taiwan plant. The barcode went over the NVIDIA tag on the PCB. Same components even, though that may have changed as they ramped up production.

    Are they eVGA boards now?

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    Re: New vega GeForce 1080 act sc cards no emblem nvidia or evga?. 2016/08/17 11:16:20 (permalink)
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    At least some of the early reference boards were actually made by NVIDIA, Sajin. I've seen the teardown. They just came from the Taiwan plant. The barcode went over the NVIDIA tag on the PCB. Same components even, though that may have changed as they ramped up production.

    Are they eVGA boards now?

    The barcode is in a different spot than the nvidia logo. Don't know if they are evga boards or not.
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    Re: New vega GeForce 1080 act sc cards no emblem nvidia or evga?. 2016/08/17 12:57:41 (permalink)

    That's the card.
    So is it even made by evga?.
    I was expecting an evga logo because I know from previous cards the nvidia boards production stops pretty quick after the cards are released.

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    Re: New vega GeForce 1080 act sc cards no emblem nvidia or evga?. 2016/08/17 12:59:09 (permalink)
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    Re: New vega GeForce 1080 act sc cards no emblem nvidia or evga?. 2016/08/17 13:03:26 (permalink)
    http://imageshack.com/a/img924/7707/bMxQdt.jpg
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    Re: New vega GeForce 1080 act sc cards no emblem nvidia or evga?. 2016/08/17 13:17:23 (permalink)
    Made in China packaged in Taiwan
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    Re: New vega GeForce 1080 act sc cards no emblem nvidia or evga?. 2016/08/17 14:39:21 (permalink)
    Still pretty sure it says NVIDIA under that sticker.

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    Re: New vega GeForce 1080 act sc cards no emblem nvidia or evga?. 2016/08/17 14:41:01 (permalink)
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    Still pretty sure it says NVIDIA under that sticker.

    The evga/nvidia logo should be in the center. Not to the left or right of center. Did you not look at the videos I linked in post #4?
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    Re: New vega GeForce 1080 act sc cards no emblem nvidia or evga?. 2016/08/17 14:43:55 (permalink)
    Here I'll link the videos again...
     
    Early edition sc with nvidia branded pcb: https://youtu.be/22ePLtROm6I?t=1m20s
     
    Later edition sc with non-branded pcb: https://youtu.be/gW9MabmzyRk?t=11m1s
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    Re: New vega GeForce 1080 act sc cards no emblem nvidia or evga?. 2016/08/18 05:44:18 (permalink)
    Didn't have a chance to look until now.  Apologies.  I see what you are referencing.  Perhaps they simply removed the logo.  If I can find it, there is a photo teardown, though, where they removed the sticker on the right and I am pretty sure it had the logo under it.
     
    Regardless, you can't look at the board in the earlier pick and have any doubts that it is an NVIDIA board.  It is just too clean.
     
    EDIT:  Not the one I was looking for yet, but look at his board here.  http://forums.evga.com/FindPost/2497568  That is an NVIDIA board.
    post edited by CoercionShaman - 2016/08/18 05:54:17

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    Re: New vega GeForce 1080 act sc cards no emblem nvidia or evga?. 2016/08/18 05:45:20 (permalink)
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    That's the card.
    So is it even made by evga?.
    I was expecting an evga logo because I know from previous cards the nvidia boards production stops pretty quick after the cards are released.



    Do you have pictures from before the installation of that block that show the card/components?

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    Re: New vega GeForce 1080 act sc cards no emblem nvidia or evga?. 2016/08/18 09:05:34 (permalink)
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    Didn't have a chance to look until now.  Apologies.  I see what you are referencing.  Perhaps they simply removed the logo.  If I can find it, there is a photo teardown, though, where they removed the sticker on the right and I am pretty sure it had the logo under it.
     
    Regardless, you can't look at the board in the earlier pick and have any doubts that it is an NVIDIA board.  It is just too clean.
     
    EDIT:  Not the one I was looking for yet, but look at his board here.  http://forums.evga.com/FindPost/2497568  That is an NVIDIA board.


    That isn't a nvidia board. The nvidia board doesn't say "RoSH compliant"...
     

     

     
     
    post edited by Sajin - 2016/08/18 09:08:46
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    Re: New vega GeForce 1080 act sc cards no emblem nvidia or evga?. 2016/08/18 09:13:08 (permalink)


    post edited by CoercionShaman - 2016/08/18 09:17:11

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    Re: New vega GeForce 1080 act sc cards no emblem nvidia or evga?. 2016/08/18 09:13:33 (permalink)


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    Re: New vega GeForce 1080 act sc cards no emblem nvidia or evga?. 2016/08/18 09:19:29 (permalink)
    For what it is worth this card seems to be from a company like Dell or HP.
    I have Dell NVIDIA cards in my Dell and they have no markings on then as well other then Dell Info.

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    Re: New vega GeForce 1080 act sc cards no emblem nvidia or evga?. 2016/08/18 09:20:19 (permalink)
    I like them alot, but eVGA has never put out a board to that spec and that clean.  Same caps, same mosfets, same controller, same wash and same reinforcements as the NVIDIA board is what I was referencing.  But it may not actually have NVIDIA listed anywhere as you stated.  I am still trying to find that teardown.

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    Re: New vega GeForce 1080 act sc cards no emblem nvidia or evga?. 2016/08/18 09:23:53 (permalink)
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    For what it is worth this card seems to be from a company like Dell or HP.
    I have Dell NVIDIA cards in my Dell and they have no markings on then as well other then Dell Info.




    Right.  OEM card PCBs made by NVIDIA.  That may be what this board is supplied to eVGA thus no NVIDIA markings.

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    Re: New vega GeForce 1080 act sc cards no emblem nvidia or evga?. 2016/08/18 09:40:30 (permalink)
    Inno3D board.  Look familiar minus the additional power phase changes?
     

     
    Unless I find the pics of the sticker off, I'll let it go for now and concede the fact that I can't prove it is from NVIDIA otherwise.

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    Re: New vega GeForce 1080 act sc cards no emblem nvidia or evga?. 2016/08/18 09:58:18 (permalink)
    They will look the same. All EVGA cards except the FTW, Classified, and Hybrid are based on the reference design. Nvidia designed it and the AIB could either add their own Cooling solution or buy the FE cooling from Nvidia. There are very few non reference designed cards out there.


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    Re: New vega GeForce 1080 act sc cards no emblem nvidia or evga?. 2016/08/18 10:41:30 (permalink)
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    They will look the same. All EVGA cards except the FTW, Classified, and Hybrid are based on the reference design. Nvidia designed it and the AIB could either add their own Cooling solution or buy the FE cooling from Nvidia. There are very few non reference designed cards out there.



    I get that, ipkha.  That's the whole point I was trying to make, though.  In the past eVGA has made a board on 'reference design'.  eVGA made the board.  It was made to the specifications but didn't have all the same components and quality that the NVIDIA board did (as referenced by Sajin with the other thread post earlier).  These appear to come from NVIDIA and aren't 'copies'.  Other manufactureres have the same board.  They are the exact same board.  They are putting their coolers (along with others) on an actual NVIDIA made board.

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    Re: New vega GeForce 1080 act sc cards no emblem nvidia or evga?. 2016/08/18 10:51:29 (permalink)
    Nvidia doesn't make anything. TSMC makes the chips, and probably the boards too. Or it could be that the reference board design this generation specified specific parts. Or given the quick time frame between announcement and availability, there wasn't time to validate different components. I'd think every manufacturers capacitors and the like have different characteristics that might effect the design.


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    Re: New vega GeForce 1080 act sc cards no emblem nvidia or evga?. 2016/08/18 11:04:53 (permalink)
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    Nvidia doesn't make anything.

    Semantics.
     
    ipkha
    Or it could be that the reference board design this generation specified specific parts. Or given the quick time frame between announcement and availability, there wasn't time to validate different components. I'd think every manufacturers capacitors and the like have different characteristics that might effect the design.

    Then there wouldn't be the Hybrid/FTW and Classified boards which sell in a lower volume overall.

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    Re: New vega GeForce 1080 act sc cards no emblem nvidia or evga?. 2016/08/18 11:08:01 (permalink)
    Yes, there would. They can design the card and test the custom design. In suggesting that the reference design (provided by Nvidia) didn't validate any other component options. Given the large number of launches in a row, maybe there wasn't time or money spent testing any other hardware. Different chokes, misfits and such can affect the entire component chain in unpredictable ways and it wouldn't be a reference design if they changed too much.


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    Re: New vega GeForce 1080 act sc cards no emblem nvidia or evga?. 2016/08/18 11:29:40 (permalink)
    I wholly understand how the components affect things.  I've worked on systems and repaired PCBs at the component level since the 80's.  Its just gotten to the point that PCBs are throwaway peices and you swap out bad boards.
     
    I know that the tolerances on this chip are tighter than they have ever been previously.  I get that in the past vendors have used the reference board until they could ramp up production on their own.  My point being in that last post was that if partners already figured out how to produce custom boards within tolerance, they could have produced reference spec boards as well.
     
    Most all vendors are using a board off the same assembly line at this point, including eVGA.  That isn't there normal modus operandi.  That in and of itself is all I have been referencing.

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    Re: New vega GeForce 1080 act sc cards no emblem nvidia or evga?. 2016/08/29 03:44:30 (permalink)
    Sorry for the late reply.
    It's taken me a while to get all my parts and finally I finally finished the build.
    No evga or nvidia logo under the bar codes they are hard printed on.
    Sorry I didn't take pictures of the pcb before the tear down but it looks exactly the same as the ones that were posted earlier.
    Only difference is my cooler had the twin fans I have the serial numbers and info on the back of the stock backplate I will post in case that might help identify these things lol

    The pcb is the same as Coercionshaman's second 3x photos.
    With the orange colour around the pcb not the first one and has one 8-pin power connector on each card no additional power connectors.
    post edited by unix443 - 2016/08/29 08:34:12
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    Re: New vega GeForce 1080 act sc cards no emblem nvidia or evga?. 2016/08/29 08:19:37 (permalink)
    Don't post your serial numbers.  Black them out and change your photos.
     
    It was established in another thread that eVGA is making their own boards.  I just don't understand the 'quality' change to the better that has occurred or the fact that others are using exactly the same board.
     
    Regardless, congratulations on getting the build together.  Enjoy it!

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