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Greetings all, I am back in EVGA land after being away for over 3 years using other cards and makers, and because I need some direct help with this rare card, I figured I better ask right from the source
 
I recent aquired one of these amazing cards for an incredible $450, especially considering its a near 79% ASIC rated card. Long story short, I sold my MSI Gaming in the bandwagon hype of the 1080 only to find it proved to be really dissapointed with the overpriced Founders Edition BS, so i'm gonna stay in 980Ti land until Nvidia gets it act together with I hope a 1080Ti
 
That being said, I am well aware from previous research that these kingpins are meant for hardcore watercooling and LN2 cooled setups to push the cards into near black hole creation speeds. For my setup however, I deal strictly with air cooling for convenience and cost.
 
I have been unable to get the card to pass Valley and Heaven benchmarks without totally crashing my system at the 1520 core speeds via precision X, even with no memory overclocking.
 
1. I have already switched to OC BIOS and moved power limit to 150%
2. The fan approaches near 90% speed when the temps are at 68c on the core with aggressive fan curve
3. Maximum intake from twin 140mm fans 1 inch away from card is best my case can manage for airflow
 
 
I can try repasting with Gelid GC extreme but beyond that, I dunno what else I can do to get this card just to be happy with a 1530ish overclock core speed. What else can I throw at this huge black sucker to get it to be happy? I've never seen a GPU so picky about running tempratures and its really starting to piss me off Even my MSI 980 Ti Gaming with BIOS modified voltage was able to deal with upper 70c temps at 1450 core and 400 memory. I am on 365.19 driver
 
If im totally SOL with trying to get this thing to run stable on air, does anyone know if the NZXT Kraken G10 adapter will work on a Kingpin?
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Re: Got a 980Ti Kingpin for an incredible deal, but i'm feeling overwhelmed and frustrated 2016/05/24 11:00:13 (permalink)
So what is your highest stable core speed with the kingpin?
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Re: Got a 980Ti Kingpin for an incredible deal, but i'm feeling overwhelmed and frustrated 2016/05/24 11:18:15 (permalink)
I think there is a site called overclockers.net that deals with classifieds and kingpin gpu they have bios mods and other info that may help you sorry I don't remember the exact name.Also jayztwocents did a review of the kingpin and your case sounds like his check out his video
/edit it is called evga classified & kinpin owner's club
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Re: Got a 980Ti Kingpin for an incredible deal, but i'm feeling overwhelmed and frustrated 2016/05/24 11:42:19 (permalink)
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So what is your highest stable core speed with the kingpin?




Still working on that. It seem okayish with 1525 on core with no meomry but Heaven still dies eventually and Valley. Thats on OC bios switch
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Re: Got a 980Ti Kingpin for an incredible deal, but i'm feeling overwhelmed and frustrated 2016/05/24 11:54:53 (permalink)
Sounds like you'll just need to dial back your overclock a bit for those specific apps.
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Re: Got a 980Ti Kingpin for an incredible deal, but i'm feeling overwhelmed and frustrated 2016/05/24 12:19:38 (permalink)
Here is a good site to help you with anything you need to get the most out of your 980 ti Kingpin: http://www.overclock.net/t/1411500/official-evga-classified-k-ngp-n-owners-club
 
You could always request someone here to mod your BIOS to unlock the Voltage and TDP limits. I know he did a great job modding my BIOS. He didn't just go in and max out certain settings. He went into every category and made sure that each value was correctly proportional to its counterpart. The man is a true artist when it comes to BIOS modding.
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Re: Got a 980Ti Kingpin for an incredible deal, but i'm feeling overwhelmed and frustrated 2016/05/24 13:52:01 (permalink)
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Here is a good site to help you with anything you need to get the most out of your 980 ti Kingpin:
 
You could always request someone here to mod your BIOS to unlock the Voltage and TDP limits. I know he did a great job modding my BIOS. He didn't just go in and max out certain settings. He went into every category and made sure that each value was correctly proportional to its counterpart. The man is a true artist when it comes to BIOS modding.




I was under the impression the voltage and TDP was basically already unlocked with the Kingpins? Also, im basically life banned from overclock.net after I got into fight years ago with Enterprise and his crap managing of the forum after the big upgrade years ago so....yeah.  
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Re: Got a 980Ti Kingpin for an incredible deal, but i'm feeling overwhelmed and frustrated 2016/05/24 14:15:08 (permalink)
I'm not familiar about whether TDP and Voltage are already unlocked or not since I am too poor to own a Kingpin anything.
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Re: Got a 980Ti Kingpin for an incredible deal, but i'm feeling overwhelmed and frustrated 2016/05/24 14:32:59 (permalink)
Looking at the oc bios the tdp is set to 300w.
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Re: Got a 980Ti Kingpin for an incredible deal, but i'm feeling overwhelmed and frustrated 2016/05/24 14:47:32 (permalink)
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Looking at the oc bios the tdp is set to 300w.




I don't see why that wouldn't be enough unless I should just throw sheet to the wind and switch to LN2 BIOS for giggles?
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Re: Got a 980Ti Kingpin for an incredible deal, but i'm feeling overwhelmed and frustrated 2016/05/24 15:10:11 (permalink)
If it is crashing at 68C, then the problem is probably not enough voltage. 
 
I know with Classified cards you need a special tool (now software based) to increase the voltage beyond what EVGA's PrecisionX or MSI's Afterburner allows. I'm betting it being the same for the Kingpin.
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Re: Got a 980Ti Kingpin for an incredible deal, but i'm feeling overwhelmed and frustrated 2016/05/24 15:51:32 (permalink)
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Looking at the oc bios the tdp is set to 300w.




I don't see why that wouldn't be enough unless I should just throw sheet to the wind and switch to LN2 BIOS for giggles?


The LN2 vbios may be set to 300w as well. I would need to look at it to tell.
 
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If it is crashing at 68C, then the problem is probably not enough voltage. 
 
I know with Classified cards you need a special tool (now software based) to increase the voltage beyond what EVGA's PrecisionX or MSI's Afterburner allows. I'm betting it being the same for the Kingpin.


Adding voltage may make it worse since it's maxwell we're talking about. Undervolting/overvolting may/may not help, the op should definitely experiment with the voltages.
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Re: Got a 980Ti Kingpin for an incredible deal, but i'm feeling overwhelmed and frustrated 2016/05/24 16:04:39 (permalink)
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Adding voltage may make it worse since it's maxwell we're talking about. Undervolting/overvolting may/may not help, the op should definitely experiment with the voltages.




 
So should I add voltage via the switch on the back of the Kingpin or use that voltage boost setting on precision X? Kingpin says adding voltage is never a good idea with these cards on air but he's not replying/posting in the Kingpin forums anymore so...im basically on my own
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Re: Got a 980Ti Kingpin for an incredible deal, but i'm feeling overwhelmed and frustrated 2016/05/24 16:19:15 (permalink)
People who own the kingpin say temps need to be below 65c to help the card clock better. This guy was able to attach the G10 to his 980 ti classified.
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Re: Got a 980Ti Kingpin for an incredible deal, but i'm feeling overwhelmed and frustrated 2016/05/24 16:25:00 (permalink)
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Adding voltage may make it worse since it's maxwell we're talking about. Undervolting/overvolting may/may not help, the op should definitely experiment with the voltages.




 
So should I add voltage via the switch on the back of the Kingpin or use that voltage boost setting on precision X? Kingpin says adding voltage is never a good idea with these cards on air but he's not replying/posting in the Kingpin forums anymore so...im basically on my own


If both switches near the pci-e bracket are enabled it will increase the core by +50mV. I'd start with software adjustments first.
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Re: Got a 980Ti Kingpin for an incredible deal, but i'm feeling overwhelmed and frustrated 2016/05/24 16:50:46 (permalink)
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People who own the kingpin say temps need to be below 65c to help the card clock better. guy was able to attach the G10 to his 980 ti classified.
 
 
If both switches near the pci-e bracket are enabled it will increase the core by +50mV. I'd start with software adjustments first.





Removed , i'll never get those temps on air.  So, the software voltage adjustment is that slider on the right side of precision right?
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Re: Got a 980Ti Kingpin for an incredible deal, but i'm feeling overwhelmed and frustrated 2016/05/24 16:53:00 (permalink)
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People who own the kingpin say temps need to be below 65c to help the card clock better. guy was able to attach the G10 to his 980 ti classified.
 
 
If both switches near the pci-e bracket are enabled it will increase the core by +50mV. I'd start with software adjustments first.





Removed, i'll never get those temps on air.  So, the software voltage adjustment is that slider on the right side of precision right?


Undervolting might get you those temps. Yes, right side is correct.
post edited by Scarlet-Tech - 2016/05/24 19:03:31
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Re: Got a 980Ti Kingpin for an incredible deal, but i'm feeling overwhelmed and frustrated 2016/05/24 16:57:47 (permalink)
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People who own the kingpin say temps need to be below 65c to help the card clock better. guy was able to attach the G10 to his 980 ti classified.
 
 
If both switches near the pci-e bracket are enabled it will increase the core by +50mV. I'd start with software adjustments first.





Removed, i'll never get those temps on air.  So, the software voltage adjustment is that slider on the right side of precision right?


Undervolting might get you those temps. Yes, right side is correct.




HOw much should I raise that small bar up to start with with?
post edited by Scarlet-Tech - 2016/05/24 19:04:25
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Re: Got a 980Ti Kingpin for an incredible deal, but i'm feeling overwhelmed and frustrated 2016/05/24 17:03:04 (permalink)
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People who own the kingpin say temps need to be below 65c to help the card clock better. guy was able to attach the G10 to his 980 ti classified.
 
 
If both switches near the pci-e bracket are enabled it will increase the core by +50mV. I'd start with software adjustments first.





Removed, i'll never get those temps on air.  So, the software voltage adjustment is that slider on the right side of precision right?


Undervolting might get you those temps. Yes, right side is correct.




HOw much should I raise that small bar up to start with with?


Just experiment. Adjustments via precision are safe.
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Re: Got a 980Ti Kingpin for an incredible deal, but i'm feeling overwhelmed and frustrated 2016/05/24 17:14:13 (permalink)
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Just experiment. Adjustments via precision are safe.


So the switchs in back give too much voltage to start with?
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Re: Got a 980Ti Kingpin for an incredible deal, but i'm feeling overwhelmed and frustrated 2016/05/24 17:30:11 (permalink)
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Just experiment. Adjustments via precision are safe.


So the switchs in back give too much voltage to start with?

Should be ok since the switches are included on the pcb. With both switches on it will put the card at 1.26v which is safe.
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Re: Got a 980Ti Kingpin for an incredible deal, but i'm feeling overwhelmed and frustrated 2016/05/24 18:16:36 (permalink)
How many mV's can you adjust up to in precision x? +87mV?
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Re: Got a 980Ti Kingpin for an incredible deal, but i'm feeling overwhelmed and frustrated 2016/05/24 19:11:15 (permalink)
The switches on the back are more meant for vdroop while using LN2. I had absolutely horrible luck overclocking the 980kingpin while using those switches, and since you are air, where I was not, I highly suggest not using those.

Go to overclock.net, visit the classified/kingpin thread, post one under the classified 980ti section you will see the classified voltage tool. Download that and utilize it for voltage, or use Overboost in precision.

If you have a multimeter, you should watch your voltages. Using the standard overvoltage, you will not see an increase in voltage at idle and you should check it under load. Using overvoltage, I never saw an increase with any card I have ever owned.. Using Overboost, you will see an increase even at idle. Be aware, when the card is at idle, Overboost will keep the voltage static and it will not decrease.

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Re: Got a 980Ti Kingpin for an incredible deal, but i'm feeling overwhelmed and frustrated 2016/05/24 19:27:59 (permalink)
V-Tune switches



 
 

Top switch near ProbeIt port dedicated to LN2 operation, to eliminate possibility of voltage shutdown when benching with GPU temperatures below -100 °C. First switch position disable thermal protection for memory VRM, and second switch position does same for GPU voltage VRM.

Another switch on bottom lower side, can be used to boost GPU voltage +25 or +50 mV above current setting. It's different to software or EVBOT override control, as offset will be applied any time, even if GPU uses stock mechanism to control voltage. It could be useful if you wanted little bit extra voltage for everyday gaming, without any use of EVBOT or other voltage override methods. Each switch position at ON will add +25mV, so both will give +50.

Two switches near bottom corner dedicated for Vdroop fine tune. It's can be used in ADDITION to EVBOT's Vdroop enable/disable control, giving you at least 8 different Vdroop settings for GPU Voltage and three Vdroop settings for memory voltage
 
http://forum.kingpincooli.../showthread.php?t=3820
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Re: Got a 980Ti Kingpin for an incredible deal, but i'm feeling overwhelmed and frustrated 2016/05/24 19:34:16 (permalink)
OC Bios is limited to 1.21v. Add +50mV via switches and your at 1.26v.
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Re: Got a 980Ti Kingpin for an incredible deal, but i'm feeling overwhelmed and frustrated 2016/05/24 20:03:00 (permalink)
Note that the switches are for XOC, which you are not going to be doing on air. Vdroop switches are meant to be used around 1.6-1.7v. Again, Overboost and Classified Voltage Tool are your best bets. I advise against the vdroop switches. Use the software, since it overrides the bios voltages (that comes straight from T|N and K|ngp|n) and takes the place of the evbot. Note, that is why my evbot gathers dust while the software is in use.

You should visit the Kingpincooling forum and read up on the guide that T|N wrote. I mean, he designed the card and tested it with K|ngp|n, so they would give some half decent advice.

Could you also provide a GPU-Z screen shot with the bios number, to verify it hasn't already been flashed with a different bios?
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Re: Got a 980Ti Kingpin for an incredible deal, but i'm feeling overwhelmed and frustrated 2016/05/25 08:49:45 (permalink)
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You should visit the Kingpincooling forum and read up on the guide that T|N wrote. I mean, he designed the card and tested it with K|ngp|n, so they would give some 



 
Read it over three times and im still struggling
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Re: Got a 980Ti Kingpin for an incredible deal, but i'm feeling overwhelmed and frustrated 2016/05/25 18:57:45 (permalink)
Ok, this is what im dealing with and settings and such. Please help, im going insane.
 
I found some new BIOS'es on overclock.net. Will these be ok from a reference 980ti to use on Kingpin?
 

 

 

 
 

 
 
 
 
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Re: Got a 980Ti Kingpin for an incredible deal, but i'm feeling overwhelmed and frustrated 2016/05/25 20:08:07 (permalink)
Never, ever, use a reference board bios on your kingpin. The reference bios does not account for all the extra vrm and other hardware. The kingpin also has 3 power plugs and has been programmed as such, where the reference, ftw and Classified only have a maximum of two power plugs.

Just consider, you may not be able to go further because you may have hit the limits of the card. If you read the disclaimer for our having a new card, you will see that further than stock overclocking is not guaranteed, and you may have found the hard limit.
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Re: Got a 980Ti Kingpin for an incredible deal, but i'm feeling overwhelmed and frustrated 2016/05/25 20:15:41 (permalink)
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