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Sorry, maybe it's because I am a German engineer and we do things the right way but please let me explain.  This week I bought a EVGA GTX970CC and of course I had a look to all this new futures compared to may old EVGA GTX770SC. If I use the dBi Bios and switch on my computer I will have a GPU Temperature of 32°C and the Fans are stopped. Even after a half hour reading in the Internet the Fans never started. So far very nice! Now I play something (or use the EVGA OC Scanner X) and heat up the GPU. In my case max. Temperature will be 77°C and the Fans are running. Everything ok (wait for it). Now I go back to idle and the Fans will stop <60°C. Even with a room temperature from 19°C and half hour in idle the GPU will never become come again <60°C. From now on the Fans will start every 20 seconds for a short time. Even I don't hear this 3 times starting and stopping of the Fans every Minute why would You do something like this? The correct way for me is: If the Fans once started because the Temperature was >60°C then the Fans would run until the Temperature is <55°C or <50°C. If we regulate something like this we use a Hysteresis. This way we reduce the the start stopping of the Fans with the GPU in idle significant what is a god thing or not? I went back to the FTW Bios because I prefer a permanent slow running Fan then a permanent start stopping Fan. What a pity!  PS: I love Your smilies! Regards Mikel
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Re: Absolut not happy with dBi Bios at EVGA GeForce GTX970 4GB SSC ACX2.0+ (04G-P4-3975-KR
2015/07/03 12:18:39
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Have you tried the other BIOS on the card? It will run at 12% fan speed when cool enough (idle) and ramp up from there as the card gets warmer.
I don't know at what temp the fan speed ramps up as I use MSI AB to control my fan speeds with a custom fan profile. This can also be done with PrecX.
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Re: Absolut not happy with dBi Bios at EVGA GeForce GTX970 4GB SSC ACX2.0+ (04G-P4-3975-KR
2015/07/03 12:46:54
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Thank You for the answer! Yes of coarse I use now the other Bios and I wrote this also in my first post. I (and every body else) like to have the dBi Bios working well with sometimes switching on and off the Fan when the GPU is in idle. Every 20 seconds switching on and off sounds right to You? Don't get me wrong? I just try to improve Your product with my observation. I am a EVGA Fan and I always will be one. I love my GTX970 SSC2.0+ and You don't get it back!  Regards Mikel
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Re: Absolut not happy with dBi Bios at EVGA GeForce GTX970 4GB SSC ACX2.0+ (04G-P4-3975-KR
2015/07/04 08:02:29
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same thing I did, with my ssc 2.0+ ..., rather have the
fan running all the time makes the whole system run
about 2 degrees cooler also..
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Re: Absolut not happy with dBi Bios at EVGA GeForce GTX970 4GB SSC ACX2.0+ (04G-P4-3975-KR
2015/07/04 08:13:01
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I suppose it might be a little better if the fan profile was set up in a way that when the card exceeds 60C the fans will try to drop the temp down to 50C or so before turning off. That way the fans aren't turning on every 20 seconds. With the card teetering on 60C and the fans set to spin up if the card exceeds 60C, then obviously the fans will turn on and off frequently.
Honestly, though, it didn't bother me when I had my 980 Classified (just sent it in for Step Up to the Ti). The ACX fans, when engaged at 60C, were much quieter than the other fans in my case, so the only reason I noticed the fans turning on and off was because I can monitor them on the LCD screen on my Logitech G13. I wouldn't have noticed the fans turning off and on otherwise.
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Re: Absolut not happy with dBi Bios at EVGA GeForce GTX970 4GB SSC ACX2.0+ (04G-P4-3975-KR
2015/07/05 07:21:12
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I was just about to say... just go in and setup a custom fan profile with msi afterburner or precision X
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Re: Absolut not happy with dBi Bios at EVGA GeForce GTX970 4GB SSC ACX2.0+ (04G-P4-3975-KR
2015/07/05 07:31:20
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I was just about to say... just go in and setup a custom fan profile with msi afterburner or precision X
That is what I would recommend or alternatively see if you can improve internal airflow to get the idle temp below 60 degrees. (BTW just got back from vacation in Dusseldorf. I love to visit Germany)
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Re: Absolut not happy with dBi Bios at EVGA GeForce GTX970 4GB SSC ACX2.0+ (04G-P4-3975-KR
2015/07/05 07:48:13
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I was just about to say... just go in and setup a custom fan profile with msi afterburner or precision X
(BTW just got back from vacation in Dusseldorf. I love to visit Germany)
Nice!
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Re: Absolut not happy with dBi Bios at EVGA GeForce GTX970 4GB SSC ACX2.0+ (04G-P4-3975-KR
2015/07/05 09:38:01
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Thanks for all the answers!
You people don't get it and slowly I give up?
Yes there are some workarounds. I know them all and use them also but why the heck it cannot work proper out of the box and as it was intended.
Why a Moderator from this Forum cannot send this thread to a software engineer from EVGA and ask him to have a look. This is how I know EVGA from the old times where User Input was used to improve the product.
Please understand, I don't have a problem and I don't need a solution but I just like to improve something what could work much better.
Programming something where a GPU Fan always Start/Stop every 20 seconds to solve 1°C and call this the GPU is fanless in idle sounds correct?
Anyhow regards and peace!
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Re: Absolut not happy with dBi Bios at EVGA GeForce GTX970 4GB SSC ACX2.0+ (04G-P4-3975-KR
2015/07/05 09:45:56
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MikelMolto
Thanks for all the answers!
You people don't get it and slowly I give up?
Yes there are some workarounds. I know them all and use them also but why the heck it cannot work proper out of the box and as it was intended.
Why a Moderator from this Forum cannot send this thread to a software engineer from EVGA and ask him to have a look. This is how I know EVGA from the old times where User Input was used to improve the product.
Please understand, I don't have a problem and I don't need a solution but I just like to improve something what could work much better.
Programming something where a GPU Fan always Start/Stop every 20 seconds to solve 1°C and call this the GPU is fanless in idle sounds correct?
Anyhow regards and peace!
Eh??? as a FTW 970 user, I don't have this problem running benchmarks. As soon as the fan cools the GPU down it doesn't kick back on in my end until temps exceed 60'C Than again, I run custom profiles for the fan as I have always had ever sense my 465 GTX so I can't say anything. Sounds to me of a troll or something..your gonna complain because out of the box the fans are doing their job for 1'C than adjust it and create a fan profile. Their is no need to complain and moan when it doesn't effect much at all and we've provided solutions to you to even go about it making it not happen again. Enjoy it?? I'm at a loss.
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Re: Absolut not happy with dBi Bios at EVGA GeForce GTX970 4GB SSC ACX2.0+ (04G-P4-3975-KR
2015/07/05 10:25:56
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MikelMolto
Thanks for all the answers!
You people don't get it and slowly I give up?
Yes there are some workarounds. I know them all and use them also but why the heck it cannot work proper out of the box and as it was intended.
Why a Moderator from this Forum cannot send this thread to a software engineer from EVGA and ask him to have a look. This is how I know EVGA from the old times where User Input was used to improve the product.
Please understand, I don't have a problem and I don't need a solution but I just like to improve something what could work much better.
Programming something where a GPU Fan always Start/Stop every 20 seconds to solve 1°C and call this the GPU is fanless in idle sounds correct?
Anyhow regards and peace!
Your improvement request has been forwarded to EVGA
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Re: Absolut not happy with dBi Bios at EVGA GeForce GTX970 4GB SSC ACX2.0+ (04G-P4-3975-KR
2015/07/05 10:32:20
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I see what he means. The stock fan profile isn't aggressive enough and will let the card sit there at 60c, only turning on if the card reaches 61c.
I agree this seems unacceptable, 60c is what my CPU pulls at load, just having a thing in my case putting off that much heat will have an effect on the rest of the cases thermal design.
I would've preferred a more aggressive approach, where the card tries to keep itself around 40c at idle. my current fan curve is set to do this and it hovers around 40c and a good portion of the time, the fans are running, but only at like 250rpm. Can't even come close to hearing them and it makes world of difference.
His question, or comment, to EVGA Engineers is, why isn't this the default? Have the fan at least try and put in more effort to keeping the card within acceptable ranges. The default fan profile lets the GPU sit there at 60c and does nothing. That's just weird.
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Re: Absolut not happy with dBi Bios at EVGA GeForce GTX970 4GB SSC ACX2.0+ (04G-P4-3975-KR
2015/07/05 10:37:44
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Muezick
Have the fan at least try and put in more effort to keeping the card within acceptable ranges.
The thing is that everyone has a different opinion on what constitutes an "acceptable range." I, personally, saw no issue with my GTX 980 Classified idling at 60C. In fact, I typically pay no mind to idle temperatures. I care far more about load temps.
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Re: Absolut not happy with dBi Bios at EVGA GeForce GTX970 4GB SSC ACX2.0+ (04G-P4-3975-KR
2015/07/05 15:24:36
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I'm still seeing "custom fan profile" written all over this thread. If Nvidia/EVGA wanted the cards to kick on at 40c, they would made it so. GPUs run stable at 60c which is why they (more than likely) decided to keep it at 60c to save power (makes sense...)
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Re: Absolut not happy with dBi Bios at EVGA GeForce GTX970 4GB SSC ACX2.0+ (04G-P4-3975-KR
2015/07/05 15:44:31
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I'm still seeing "custom fan profile" written all over this thread. If Nvidia/EVGA wanted the cards to kick on at 40c, they would made it so. GPUs run stable at 60c which is why they (more than likely) decided to keep it at 60c to save power (makes sense...)
The OP's point is basically that sure 60֠c is fine, but why not add some hysteresis to the default BIOS fan profile so that it doesn't rigidly stick to 60/61֠c? The OP's point is easy to understand and makes sense. Why is everyone giving him such a hard time? Instead of having the fan turn off and on every 20 seconds as the core fluctuates between 60 and 61 ֠c, why not add some hysteresis so that once the fan does turn on at 61֠c, it doesn't turn back off until it drops to 57֠c and therefore avoid a constant on/off situation. It's standard industry stuff -- just like the way the thermostat in your house or the radiator fans in your car works -- and it makes sense. I agree with the OP. There should be a BIOS update to address the issue. Sure you can make your own fan profile or use the second BIOS on dual-BIOS cards, but why leave a broken fan profile on the default BIOS anyway? A good quality product should be refined and not have such glaringly obvious mistakes.
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Re: Absolut not happy with dBi Bios at EVGA GeForce GTX970 4GB SSC ACX2.0+ (04G-P4-3975-KR
2015/07/05 17:36:41
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I'm still seeing "custom fan profile" written all over this thread. If Nvidia/EVGA wanted the cards to kick on at 40c, they would made it so. GPUs run stable at 60c which is why they (more than likely) decided to keep it at 60c to save power (makes sense...)
The OP's point is basically that sure 60֠c is fine, but why not add some hysteresis to the default BIOS fan profile so that it doesn't rigidly stick to 60/61֠c? The OP's point is easy to understand and makes sense. Why is everyone giving him such a hard time? Instead of having the fan turn off and on every 20 seconds as the core fluctuates between 60 and 61 ֠c, why not add some hysteresis so that once the fan does turn on at 61֠c, it doesn't turn back off until it drops to 57֠c and therefore avoid a constant on/off situation. It's standard industry stuff -- just like the way the thermostat in your house or the radiator fans in your car works -- and it makes sense.
I agree with the OP. There should be a BIOS update to address the issue.
Sure you can make your own fan profile or use the second BIOS on dual-BIOS cards, but why leave a broken fan profile on the default BIOS anyway? A good quality product should be refined and not have such glaringly obvious mistakes.
My only possible answer to that was Nvidia is very much focused on the TDP being lower.
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Re: Absolut not happy with dBi Bios at EVGA GeForce GTX970 4GB SSC ACX2.0+ (04G-P4-3975-KR
2015/07/05 19:30:35
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I'm still seeing "custom fan profile" written all over this thread. If Nvidia/EVGA wanted the cards to kick on at 40c, they would made it so. GPUs run stable at 60c which is why they (more than likely) decided to keep it at 60c to save power (makes sense...)
The OP's point is basically that sure 60֠c is fine, but why not add some hysteresis to the default BIOS fan profile so that it doesn't rigidly stick to 60/61֠c? The OP's point is easy to understand and makes sense. Why is everyone giving him such a hard time? Instead of having the fan turn off and on every 20 seconds as the core fluctuates between 60 and 61 ֠c, why not add some hysteresis so that once the fan does turn on at 61֠c, it doesn't turn back off until it drops to 57֠c and therefore avoid a constant on/off situation. It's standard industry stuff -- just like the way the thermostat in your house or the radiator fans in your car works -- and it makes sense.
I agree with the OP. There should be a BIOS update to address the issue.
Sure you can make your own fan profile or use the second BIOS on dual-BIOS cards, but why leave a broken fan profile on the default BIOS anyway? A good quality product should be refined and not have such glaringly obvious mistakes.
My only possible answer to that was Nvidia is very much focused on the TDP being lower.
What? What does TDP have to do with the fan curve? And, you do know that EVGA added the "dBi" feature later after initial release, right? EVGA's first cards did not have fans which turned off and EVGA added the feature as a BIOS update after they received negative feedback about all the idle fan noise. If EVGA added the feature via a BIOS update, it means that EVGA can change the feature via a BIOS update and it has nothing to do with NVIDIA.
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Re: Absolut not happy with dBi Bios at EVGA GeForce GTX970 4GB SSC ACX2.0+ (04G-P4-3975-KR
2015/07/05 20:01:20
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stalinx20
I'm still seeing "custom fan profile" written all over this thread. If Nvidia/EVGA wanted the cards to kick on at 40c, they would made it so. GPUs run stable at 60c which is why they (more than likely) decided to keep it at 60c to save power (makes sense...)
The OP's point is basically that sure 60֠c is fine, but why not add some hysteresis to the default BIOS fan profile so that it doesn't rigidly stick to 60/61֠c? The OP's point is easy to understand and makes sense. Why is everyone giving him such a hard time? Instead of having the fan turn off and on every 20 seconds as the core fluctuates between 60 and 61 ֠c, why not add some hysteresis so that once the fan does turn on at 61֠c, it doesn't turn back off until it drops to 57֠c and therefore avoid a constant on/off situation. It's standard industry stuff -- just like the way the thermostat in your house or the radiator fans in your car works -- and it makes sense.
I agree with the OP. There should be a BIOS update to address the issue.
Sure you can make your own fan profile or use the second BIOS on dual-BIOS cards, but why leave a broken fan profile on the default BIOS anyway? A good quality product should be refined and not have such glaringly obvious mistakes.
My only possible answer to that was Nvidia is very much focused on the TDP being lower.
What? What does TDP have to do with the fan curve? And, you do know that EVGA added the "dBi" feature later after initial release, right? EVGA's first cards did not have fans which turned off and EVGA added the feature as a BIOS update after they received negative feedback about all the idle fan noise. If EVGA added the feature via a BIOS update, it means that EVGA can change the feature via a BIOS update and it has nothing to do with NVIDIA.
I meant wattage consumption. It would appear I'm the only person that is trying to come up with a logical explanation as to why EVGA would do that....so pardon me. I'll back out now. I'm not defending EVGA.
post edited by stalinx20 - 2015/07/05 20:03:37
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