kram36

RikkiTorment
The more interesting thing is that there has been a Z28 test mule out spotted running some tests...

Any links?

knightsilver
Ya want a real Chevy, get ur self a 70' Chevelle with a 454 and Supercharger or high-stall twin turbos and a nice suspension, and no dern computers/relays.....
 
 

knightsilver

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:70_Chevelle_SS396.jpg
 
Yes, a real Chevy. Although I dodnt think Id ever touch any new car, no matter the brand. Unless I built it myself.

knightsilver

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:70_Chevelle_SS396.jpg
 
Yes, a real Chevy. Although I dodnt think Id ever touch any new car, no matter the brand. Unless I built it myself.

RikkiTorment

kram36

RikkiTorment
The more interesting thing is that there has been a Z28 test mule out spotted running some tests...

Any links?

Not a whole lot of pictures out there, but these are a few shots that were taken just after the reveal of the ZL1.

http://www.autoblog.com/2...-camaro-z28-spy-shots/

RikkiTorment
This is literally the only excuse that Mustang guys resort to, when their "precious" is effortlessly pounded into the ground...  I don't know anyone who has directly driven both for comparison even mention this.

Sajin

RikkiTorment
This is literally the only excuse that Mustang guys resort to, when their "precious" is effortlessly pounded into the ground...  I don't know anyone who has directly driven both for comparison even mention this.

I'm a mustang guy, and I could care less about going fast around the track. Not everyone cares about going fast around the track.
 
There are other cars out there that pound the "precious" new camaros into the ground with ease. I'll leave this here for ya to examine.  

fearpoint
I don't own a mustang nor have I ever owned a Ford.
 
It's instantly obvious to anyone being honest the design is terrible for daily driving. No need to get butthurt. You'd think they might change that instead of continuing to be stubborn about poor design most of their customers will be complaining about at one point.

RikkiTorment

Sajin

RikkiTorment
This is literally the only excuse that Mustang guys resort to, when their "precious" is effortlessly pounded into the ground...  I don't know anyone who has directly driven both for comparison even mention this.

I'm a mustang guy, and I could care less about going fast around the track. Not everyone cares about going fast around the track.
 
There are other cars out there that pound the "precious" new camaros into the ground with ease. I'll leave this here for ya to examine.  

 
They make an ecoboost V6 and a turbo four-banger for that demographic...  ;)
 
P.S- it's "Couldn't care less," as it implies that you do not care, where "Could care less," implies that there is in fact some care...
 
 
For sure there are, no doubt faster cars out there, but you're in denial if you don't think the 6th gen is one of the best bang for your buck performance vehicles on the market.
 

fearpoint
I don't own a mustang nor have I ever owned a Ford.
 
It's instantly obvious to anyone being honest the design is terrible for daily driving. No need to get butthurt. You'd think they might change that instead of continuing to be stubborn about poor design most of their customers will be complaining about at one point.

I've been a big follower of the LSX scene for a very long time, I have very seldom heard complaints (majority of which were women driving their husbands car, go figure) regarding the visibility out of the 5th gen, let alone a vastly improved 6th gen design, which is about where the 4th generations were.  At this point, it's literally just blindly following other peoples opinions.

kram36

RikkiTorment
 
Chevy is not playing around with this sixth gen, the 1LE is going to be offered in both the V6 and SS packages...  The V6 1LE is supposed to be as fast as the prior generation:
 
"...Al Oppenheiser says the Camaro 1LE with the V-6 delivers lap times comparable with the previous-generation V-8 model, while the Camaro 1LE with a V-8 managed to lap Willow Springs Raceway three seconds faster than a standard Camaro SS."
 
Camaro LT 1LE to be about as fast as the Mustang GTPP around a track?
 
The SS 1LE will beat the GT350 with ease, for a significantly less price tag.  The ZL1 will beat the GT350R pretty easily, but the bigger question is... who is Chevy trying to one-up with this Z28?
 
None of the major magazines will even touch a full on hot lap track comparison between the Mustang GT PP and the Camaro SS for a reason... it ain't pretty.

I know the ZL1 will lay a seriously humiliating smack down on the GT350R, but the Ford boys are going to cry that it's Super Charged. So Chevy needs to come up with a N/A engine and lose some weight to give it a proper beat down, IMO.
 

Sajin
I'm a mustang guy, and I could care less about going fast around the track. Not everyone cares about going fast around the track.
 
There are other cars out there that pound the "precious" new camaros into the ground with ease. I'll leave this here for ya to examine.  

 
Mustang guys don't care about going fast around a track? Guess Ford built the GT350R for nothing.
 
Only care about straight line performance? The Challenger Hellcat still has the Mustang beat there. Looking at the power to weight ratio the ZL1 will beat the Challenger Hellcat.
 
As for the Nurburgring lap times, did it rain while the GT350R made it's run like it did when the older platform not new Z/28 made that time run? There is no video of the GT350R running that lap time either, like there is for the Z/28. So there is a 5 second difference between the GT350R that has more power and weighs less then the older Z/28 with rain during it's run wouldn't be something I would brag on.

RikkiTorment
The GT350R lap time is not a legit lap time, there is no documentation that it ever recorded an attempt to set any record run, it's never been Ford's gig to do such things... these homers like to base a factual statement off of some poorly designed fanmade site on a GoDaddy hosting plan.  There's a reason why the GT350R is not on the Wiki list.
 

Sajin
Only 0.1 seconds ahead and 1-mph faster than the gt500 while running an automatic + 45 extra hp & 19 extra lb-ft of torque over the gt500? Hardly anything to brag about there sir. The new ZL1 is suppose to be 200 pounds lighter, however, no official specs have been posted yet. 200 pounds less puts it right in the range of what the 14 gt500 weighs. The new ZL1 will also have 22 less hp than the gt500. I love how chevy and dodge are using 6.2L engines versus ford's 5.8L.

What the hell numbers are you talking about?
 
I love how Ford runs a 5.8L engine that utilizes twice the valves, quadruple the camshafts, weighs more and occupies almost triple the volumetric occupancy of these said 6.2L engines... I love when uneducated ignoranuses want to argue about empty space.

RikkiTorment

Sajin
350R seems to be not listed on the wiki list now when I just checked it a few minutes ago before posting? 
 
The 11.2 numbers were reported from dodge. Yeah, they won't over hype their own cars. 
 
Looks like the GT500 can do the same: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8iozRn2MDc

Every now and again someone adds something to that wiki page that is overlooked by the page admins, I had a discussion with one of them at one point.  He stated that every now and again someone goes crazy and adds a bunch of times to it that have little to no confirmation or use a completely poor choice of source.
 
The GT500 definitely moves out, unsure if that car is stock, definitely does not sound worked much, if at all.  Biggest drawback is their suspension, just simple modifications goes a long way on them!
 
Dodge definitely overhypes from time to time, Chevy is claiming that this ZL1 will be in the 11's for the quarter this go around.  It will definitely be interesting.