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2016/07/24 19:32:57 (permalink)
Hi,
 
I have some heat related issues with my 1080 FTW SLI setup. In the same location, I had previously a 780 SLI and 980 OC SLI, but this is the first time I am noticing significant heat differences between the cards at max load.
 
With the fan curve set to aggressive, I am getting for the top card around 82 degrees, while the lower card remains in the 60s. The top card fan is a 100%, while the lower card is at 70-80% max.
 
Here is a photo of my setup. 

 
If this was my first SLI setup, I would assume this related to the airflow, but the 980 TI OC didn't have this difference (though it was pretty high overall). Should I put a fan card between the cards for additional cooling?

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    Re: 1080 FTW SLI - Top card is getting hot 2016/07/24 19:41:36 (permalink)
    The front fan is blowing in?  The bottom fan is blowing up? And the top back fan is blowing out the back?
     
    If the top back fan is blowing in from the back, turn the fan around so that it blows out and see what the difference is.
     
    Otherwise, yeah, you need more air blowing in the front and/or up from the bottom.  You need more fans, better fans, or faster fans.

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    Re: 1080 FTW SLI - Top card is getting hot 2016/07/24 19:55:09 (permalink)
    I have almost the same setup. I have my bottom fan, 2x front fan and rear fan blowing in. 3x top fans blowing hot air out. I have about a 4 degrees difference. It looks like you're bottom fan is exhausting instead of intake.

    If fan configuration does not help, it may be the thermal paste.
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    Re: 1080 FTW SLI - Top card is getting hot 2016/07/24 20:02:34 (permalink)
    I disagree with the fact of the rear fan blowing in. Just below that fan is graphics card, and the GPUs always put out heat. Heat rises. A lot of times that heat will be pulled back into the case with the rear fan pushing air back in. I disagree fully, but it's my opinion.
     
    I have it pointing outwards with the front fans pulling in to create more of a vacuum in the case to create a more push pull, with the top fans also pushing air out, it's a great effect. Works on my PC thus far.

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    Re: 1080 FTW SLI - Top card is getting hot 2016/07/24 20:05:54 (permalink)
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    I disagree with the fact of the rear fan blowing in. Just below that fan is graphics card, and the GPUs always put out heat. Heat rises. A lot of times that heat will be pulled back into the case with the rear fan pushing air back in. I disagree fully, but it's my opinion.
     
    I have it pointing outwards with the front fans pulling in to create more of a vacuum in the case to create a more push pull. Works on my PC thus far.




    I used to have my rear as exhaust but it gave me a negative pressure for the case, just trying to keep it positive from getting dusty.  I have 3x 120 fan exhausting up top thru a 60mm radiator, so what ever it is coming back in goes right back out.
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    Re: 1080 FTW SLI - Top card is getting hot 2016/07/24 20:22:04 (permalink)
    The bottom and front fans are blowing in. My CPU fan is a Asetek 510LC Liquid Cooling CPU Cooler. Is that potentially a problem, the liquid cooler is not blowing enough air out? Unfortunately, I don't have any fan slot available, how about something like this between the cards? "StarTech.com Expansion Slot Rear Exhaust Cooling Fan" - or that would conflict with the fan of the top card?
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    Re: 1080 FTW SLI - Top card is getting hot 2016/07/24 20:40:12 (permalink)
    For me, I would move the hard drives to the 5.25 bay and if you can remove the hard drive bay I would. It will help not block the fans in front. I would also tidy up the power supply cables.

    Next I would run with the side panel off and that helps drop the temps than it's an air problem. Then I would consider better fans. If that does not help I would reapply the TIM. On the card, but I think it's an air issue myself.

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    Re: 1080 FTW SLI - Top card is getting hot 2016/07/24 21:07:37 (permalink)
    Also plug your monitor(s) into the bottom card.


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    Re: 1080 FTW SLI - Top card is getting hot 2016/07/24 23:45:36 (permalink)
    I am not sure that your CPU fan is causing the problem. Do you have temperature issue with your cpu? Are you sure it is working as exhaust?
    The top card is blocked with the bottom card and receiving hot air from the lower card and it is normal that its temperature will be higher.
    It seems that case internal temperature should be improved. More/better fans and cable organizing. What case do you have?

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    Re: 1080 FTW SLI - Top card is getting hot 2016/07/25 00:27:03 (permalink)
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    The bottom and front fans are blowing in. My CPU fan is a Asetek 510LC Liquid Cooling CPU Cooler. Is that potentially a problem, the liquid cooler is not blowing enough air out? Unfortunately, I don't have any fan slot available, how about something like this between the cards? "StarTech.com Expansion Slot Rear Exhaust Cooling Fan" - or that would conflict with the fan of the top card?




    Are you sure the bottom fan is blowing air up and into the case?  In the picture, it looks like it is blowing air from inside the case down and outside the bottom of the case.  That's one backwards wired fan if it is blowing air up and in.
     
    I agree with the other comments about removing the hard drive cage if possible and moving the hard drive up top into the 5 1/4" drive bay.

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    Re: 1080 FTW SLI - Top card is getting hot 2016/07/25 03:29:06 (permalink)
    Even with good airflow it isn't abnormal to see your top card 10-15° hotter without a blower style card, happened on my 980 ti's (which is why I grabbed some FE's this go around) and 15°+ on my buddy's 1070 sli set up. Yours does seem a bit high so if I were you I might invest in some fans/mess with their direction of your current fans and moving those hard drives.
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    Re: 1080 FTW SLI - Top card is getting hot 2016/07/25 03:43:31 (permalink)
    Switch the top and bottom cards to see if the temperature differential under load still exists. I wouldn't expect to see much of a difference with brand new cards, but you never know. Maybe the top one didn't get a good application of thermal paste.
     
    EDIT: I think it's likely airflow-related, as others have suggested.

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    Re: 1080 FTW SLI - Top card is getting hot 2016/07/25 03:54:54 (permalink)
    Always remember, when it comes to temps in sli it goes: water > blower > open air designs
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    Re: 1080 FTW SLI - Top card is getting hot 2016/07/25 08:10:46 (permalink)
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    Are you sure the bottom fan is blowing air up and into the case?  In the picture, it looks like it is blowing air from inside the case down and outside the bottom of the case.  That's one backwards wired fan if it is blowing air up and in.



    Fans always blow towards the plastic "guard/whateverit'scalled", so it is definitely an intake.
     
    Personally, I'd bet it's air-flow related as well. I like top and rear as exhaust. Front and bottom as intake. After looking at the pic again, the PSU cables really seem to block a lot of airflow.
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    Re: 1080 FTW SLI - Top card is getting hot 2016/07/25 08:42:30 (permalink)
    Yes, the fan is blowing in. The case is a Silentium 920, when I bought it quiet operation was most important to me, airflow was a bit of an afterthought. I removed the PSU cables as much as I could, but I had to upgrade the PSU which was a bit larger than the one originally installed. I did some load testing with the side panel open, and it's the following:
     
    Open: Top card, 77 degree, bottom card 63 degree
    Closed: Top card 82 degree (didn't record number for the second card)
     
    It doesn't pass the 3d Mark load test with closed panel, it is at 95%. Switching cards didn't make a difference. CPU temperature is normal.
     
    Are there any high performance fans I could replace the bottom or front fan with, or a new full-size tower with more fans? Hate to do all the work since I like my case. 
     
     
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    Re: 1080 FTW SLI - Top card is getting hot 2016/07/25 09:48:16 (permalink)
    It seems you have temperature issue inside your case.
    Two cards emitting a lot of heat inside the case and one fan cannot take it out.
    The cold air is going in by two fans then heated by GPU's and one fan trying to take it out but air temperature inside the case is going up.
    If it possible to take HDD bay out and move HDD to up, then move CPU heat sink with fan to the front. Change fan so now it intakes the cold air through radiator. (I don't know if it is possible to do).
    Then change back and bottom fans to take the air out.
    Also you can check the option to change 2 airflow fans to Noctua NF-F12.

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    Re: 1080 FTW SLI - Top card is getting hot 2016/07/25 10:02:47 (permalink)
    I noticed a similar temp issue when I first put the 1080 FTW's in in SLI. Was using Corsair fans, which looked good but die quickly and don't have nearly enough airflow.
    Changed my exhaust at the rear to a Scythe high airflow fan. Quite loud at full speed, but near silent at 50 to 70 %. And the air flow is more than double what it was before (65 cfm at 50%). The top FTW is still 10 degrees hotter, but never exceeds 78 Celsius. Running the cards at 2100 mhz fully stable. Had tried running the monitor connections out of the bottom card, but then there is no video at the bios level should adjustments need to be made.
     
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    Re: 1080 FTW SLI - Top card is getting hot 2016/07/25 10:29:20 (permalink)
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    For me, I would move the hard drives to the 5.25 bay and if you can remove the hard drive bay I would. It will help not block the fans in front. I would also tidy up the power supply cables.

    Next I would run with the side panel off and that helps drop the temps than it's an air problem. Then I would consider better fans. If that does not help I would reapply the TIM. On the card, but I think it's an air issue myself.

    +1. This is something worth trying. For troubleshooting you can always lay your hard drive on the bottom of the case and check your temps with the cage removed and the cables tidied.

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    Re: 1080 FTW SLI - Top card is getting hot 2016/07/25 11:04:25 (permalink)
    I would save a few dollars up and buy a new case. Its a shame to choke that sli setup with not enough airflow. Great airflow cases can be had for less than a hundred bucks. Corsair air 540, Fractal design define s, NZXT come to mind. Corsair cases can be found at Frys too if you have one near you. There is lots of good options even in the 60 - 80 dollar price range.   
     
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    Re: 1080 FTW SLI - Top card is getting hot 2016/07/25 11:07:56 (permalink)
    I'm also going to mention this in the "Higher temps for The Witcher 3" thread since it applies to both and I don't want anyone to miss it.
     
    Last night after moving to the latest driver (368.81) in the afternoon, I started to notice frankly terrible performance in Witcher 3 with SLI. It looks like most of this has to do with the DPC latency issue that has come to light and which Nvidia has a hotfix for (doesn't apply to SLI). Along with the terrible performance came really high temps in my top card. I'm talking 10-15 degrees more than it was in my previous tests. Even after I disabled SLI, I found my main card still running hotter than it did before.
     
    So this morning I roll back to 368.39 and once again performance in Witcher 3 is back up to where it was and again the temps were back down to what I had seen before. Yes, it could very well be airflow in your case but this is something to look at.
     
    TL;DR  If it seems to be more than the airflow, take a look at your drivers. 368.39 are running better and cooler on my machine.
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    Re: 1080 FTW SLI - Top card is getting hot 2016/07/25 12:51:57 (permalink)
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    It seems you have temperature issue inside your case.
    Two cards emitting a lot of heat inside the case and one fan cannot take it out.
    The cold air is going in by two fans then heated by GPU's and one fan trying to take it out but air temperature inside the case is going up.
    If it possible to take HDD bay out and move HDD to up, then move CPU heat sink with fan to the front. Change fan so now it intakes the cold air through radiator. (I don't know if it is possible to do).
    Then change back and bottom fans to take the air out.
    Also you can check the option to change 2 airflow fans to Noctua NF-F12.




    Good advice, I'll get the Noctua NF-F12. Worst case I can use them in a new case. What's adapter do you recommend for moving the CPU heat sink to the front?
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    Re: 1080 FTW SLI - Top card is getting hot 2016/07/25 14:29:24 (permalink)
    I tried to SLI ACX coolers before... Sent them right back too... ACX cards are not the greatest for SLI. 
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    Re: 1080 FTW SLI - Top card is getting hot 2016/07/25 17:01:25 (permalink)
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    I would save a few dollars up and buy a new case. Its a shame to choke that sli setup with not enough airflow. Great airflow cases can be had for less than a hundred bucks. Corsair air 540, Fractal design define s, NZXT come to mind. Corsair cases can be found at Frys too if you have one near you. There is lots of good options even in the 60 - 80 dollar price range.   
     
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    Alright, after plenty of research I am going to upgrade my case to a Corsair’s Graphite Series 760T. My old case has airflow issues per reviews. Going to have 2 x 140 fans in the front, one 120 at the bottom, Asetek 510LC 120mm fan in the back, 140 fan at the top. Hopefully that will do it ;-)
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    Re: 1080 FTW SLI - Top card is getting hot 2016/07/25 17:13:15 (permalink)
    Should help, but still expect about a 10-15° gap. Pretty normal in open air coolers.
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    Re: 1080 FTW SLI - Top card is getting hot 2016/07/25 17:53:55 (permalink)
    Frankly, I don't think there's much you can do with SLI ACX cards. They exhaust too much heat for it to be removed. I have the same cards and the top card hit 82C easily and heat up my CPU as well. I'm using Cooler Master Mastercase with all HD drive remove. There are no drives blocking in the front. I have three fans, all Phantek 140mm, in the front. The middle one is blowing directly at the top card at constant 90%. I have one exhaust in the rear and two more on the top for my H100I radiator. Guess what? The top card still hit 82C. I sold one of the card to my brother and now my temp is at most 72C. This is with 100 core OC on top of the factory ones. 
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    Re: 1080 FTW SLI - Top card is getting hot 2016/07/25 18:15:01 (permalink)
    Blower style coolers ftw. 
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    Re: 1080 FTW SLI - Top card is getting hot 2016/07/25 18:28:38 (permalink)
    @boogur, my understanding is 82c is the default temp limit and then it gets throttled, operating at 82c constant during load can't be good for performance. 
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    Re: 1080 FTW SLI - Top card is getting hot 2016/07/25 20:22:08 (permalink)
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    Always remember, when it comes to temps in sli it goes: water > blower > open air designs

    Definitely varies with multiple factors. Open air designs and blower all depend on the type of case you have, how many fans you have, and how good the vacuum to pull the air away is.

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    Re: 1080 FTW SLI - Top card is getting hot 2016/07/25 21:05:09 (permalink)
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    I would save a few dollars up and buy a new case. Its a shame to choke that sli setup with not enough airflow. Great airflow cases can be had for less than a hundred bucks. Corsair air 540, Fractal design define s, NZXT come to mind. Corsair cases can be found at Frys too if you have one near you. There is lots of good options even in the 60 - 80 dollar price range.   
     
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    Alright, after plenty of research I am going to upgrade my case to a Corsair’s Graphite Series 760T. My old case has airflow issues per reviews. Going to have 2 x 140 fans in the front, one 120 at the bottom, Asetek 510LC 120mm fan in the back, 140 fan at the top. Hopefully that will do it ;-)




    Good choice. Corsair 760T is great case. I am having 750D flow edition and it is great.
    You don't need to use fan on the bottom.
    You have 2x140 fans on the front and 1x140 fan on the back coming with case.
    Also you have additional place on the top to put CPU cooler and fan. I would add addition 140mm fan on the top to take the hot air out.
    I think it will upgrade very much the flow inside the case and temperatures on the both cards will go down.
     

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    Re: 1080 FTW SLI - Top card is getting hot 2016/07/25 21:25:10 (permalink)
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    I would save a few dollars up and buy a new case. Its a shame to choke that sli setup with not enough airflow. Great airflow cases can be had for less than a hundred bucks. Corsair air 540, Fractal design define s, NZXT come to mind. Corsair cases can be found at Frys too if you have one near you. There is lots of good options even in the 60 - 80 dollar price range.   
     
    You have great gear in there. It just needs a nice comfy place to live. 




    Alright, after plenty of research I am going to upgrade my case to a Corsair’s Graphite Series 760T. My old case has airflow issues per reviews. Going to have 2 x 140 fans in the front, one 120 at the bottom, Asetek 510LC 120mm fan in the back, 140 fan at the top. Hopefully that will do it ;-)




    Good choice. Corsair 760T is great case. I am having 750D flow edition and it is great.
    You don't need to use fan on the bottom.
    You have 2x140 fans on the front and 1x140 fan on the back coming with case.
    Also you have additional place on the top to put CPU cooler and fan. I would add addition 140mm fan on the top to take the hot air out.
    I think it will upgrade very much the flow inside the case and temperatures on the both cards will go down.
     




    Very helpful, thanks for the advice. I have 1x CPU fan, and 4x case fan plugs on my board. 
     
    What is the ideal inbound/outbound fan ratio? 
     
    You are recommending: 
     
    Bottom: None
    Front: Two fans (already installed) - inbound
    Back: Fan (already installed) - outbound
    Top: CPU cooler fan + additional fan - outbound
     
    (2x inbound, 3x outbound)
     
    I wanted to do the following: 
     
    Bottom: Fan - inbound
    Front: Two fans (already installed) - inbound
    Back: Fan (already installed) - outbound
    Top: CPU cooler fan - outbound
     
    (3x inbound, 2x outbound)
     
    First time configuring this ;)
     
     
     
    post edited by karloy - 2016/07/25 21:32:56
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