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2023/06/30 11:55:03 (permalink)
I watched the video on GamersNexus's second channel from Computex with Vince and 2 members of the EVGA BIOS team, and it was stated they are leaving the company soon.  My concern is that this means that the z790 and z690 boards will not get any further BIOS updates, specifically for when Intel 14th Gen, the Raptor Lake refresh comes out this fall.  I got the z790 at the start of June when the price dropped on Newegg, as I wanted to get out of the ASUS ecosystem.  I am thrilled with the performance of the board and did make the purchase with the understanding that it could very well be the last motherboard EVGA releases, however I was also hoping to be able to upgrade to 14th Gen since its using the same socket and z790 chipset but with these team members leaving I am now concerned that there will not be further updates. 
 
This question is for anyone on the EVGA team that still monitors the forum, is it possible for you to clarify if EVGA intends to provide a BIOS update this fall to support 14th Gen? 
 
I hope so, as I am sure there are many with a z690 and z790 that would love to extend the service life of their system for as long as possible.
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Re: z790 - Future BIOS updates? 2023/06/30 15:45:33 (permalink)
Yup, i'm pretty sure all Z690 and Z790 owners would appreciate some clarification on this matter.

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Re: z790 - Future BIOS updates? 2023/07/01 07:35:33 (permalink)
I also watched the Gamers Nexus video (today) on the exiting BIOS team members.  GN has been my sole source of any information about EVGA as a company.  GN also (rightfully) avoids saying what some EVGA customers fear has already happened.
 
I purchased the Z790 (Classified) fully knowing that it could be a risk with regard to future support.  I also didn't expect EVGA to continue making motherboards given their GPU decision and other GN reports on changes at EVGA.  Having been a loyal customer of EVGA products for many years, I also decided to buy what likely would be the last EVGA mobo (and now BIOS update) that I will get from them. 
 
I do wish EVGA would "open the kimono", and talk frankly to their (existing) customers.  Our support expectations need some level of guidance.  A mobo BIOS and warranty support statement (good or bad news) is better than not saying anything to the customer.  My feeling (based upon the absence of communication from EVGA) is that we are simply waiting for the "funeral notice" from "some" source.



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Re: z790 - Future BIOS updates? 2023/07/01 08:25:22 (permalink)
If you wait long enough, the lack of a response is a response. When companies have no response, it means that their response is negative, no, or not what people want to hear.

I don't think we have waited long enough to assume this response, but I think the response is going to be negative.

If you want to hurry up the process, try asking EVGA directly.
https://www.evga.com/about/contactus/

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Re: z790 - Future BIOS updates? 2023/07/03 04:59:25 (permalink)
I don't think "hurry up" or "contact us" are words that apply in this situation.  With a major loss of significant people and departments, and no significant products "in stock", a stethoscope might be a more appropriate.    I think we are already there, the end has come and there isn't anyone to "contact".  Rest in peace EVGA and my hat is still off to all the employees that made it great for so many years.  Lots of great and helpful Forum Members have also made EVGA shine...many thanks to all of them too. 



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Re: z790 - Future BIOS updates? 2023/07/03 05:35:14 (permalink)
Still do not get it how a company owner/CEO lets his (former) employees and loyal customers down like this.
 
why not let employees take over or sell the brand/company ?
 
sick of business and ready for retirement, then just leave it to others.
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Re: z790 - Future BIOS updates? 2023/07/03 06:33:53 (permalink)
Yeah, I don't know much about the CEO other than the segment that "Steve Burke" from Gamers Nexus did with him last year.  The thing that stuck with me from Steve's conversation with the CEO was that he had done this for a long time and wanted to spend time with his family.  That may be the only thing that is happening here.  Since that conversation with GN, the CEO's actions with the company appear to align with shutting down (at his own pace) and getting out.  Such is life...
 
Ref:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV9QES-FUAM
at the "Selling EVGA or Retiring" segment of the video.



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Re: z790 - Future BIOS updates? 2023/07/03 18:44:25 (permalink)
Dang, maybe I should have gone with an Asus Apex instead? I wonder if I can still sell my Dark Kingpin to make some cash back for the Apex purchase.
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Re: z790 - Future BIOS updates? 2023/07/04 04:13:07 (permalink)
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Dang, maybe I should have gone with an Asus Apex instead? I wonder if I can still sell my Dark Kingpin to make some cash back for the Apex purchase.

You probably can to some evga mobo enthusiasts or collectors. I would highly recommend the APEX if you plan to DDR5 OC 

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Re: z790 - Future BIOS updates? 2023/07/05 00:56:12 (permalink)
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Dang, maybe I should have gone with an Asus Apex instead? I wonder if I can still sell my Dark Kingpin to make some cash back for the Apex purchase.



think this Z790 Bios is somewhat more mature than Z690 Dark Bios few monthes after release.
RPL refresh will be just another rehash of the same architecture with slightly higher clock rates.
i even sold my 13900KS again and stick with 13900K, it is not that much of a difference either.
 
sure another Bios update would be nice for better memory OC especially, so maybe we need to gofundme the engineers to create a new Bios Version even after they quit EVGA. ;-)
post edited by ironage - 2023/07/05 08:45:23
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Re: z790 - Future BIOS updates? 2023/07/06 13:22:31 (permalink) ☼ Best Answerby EVGATech_ChrisB 2023/07/06 13:23:02
Hello,
We are working on an updated BIOS to incorporate support for the next generation Intel CPUs on our Z690 and Z790 Motherboards. Once we have more information available it will be posted on our website.
Thank you everyone for your patience.



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Re: z790 - Future BIOS updates? 2023/07/07 07:21:23 (permalink)

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Re: z790 - Future BIOS updates? 2023/07/07 08:59:54 (permalink)
IMO, after watching products release, there are quite a few bios releases at start and when there needs to be a CPU or RAM compatibility.  But bios releases become infrequent with time.  Still waiting for a new bios for 790i I have in the garage.

 
if you have a stabile system, no need for a new bios.

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Re: z790 - Future BIOS updates? 2023/07/08 06:00:11 (permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c84cy0LIweE
 apparently a lot of people resigned.
 


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Re: z790 - Future BIOS updates? 2023/07/08 06:07:23 (permalink)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c84cy0LIweE
 apparently a lot of people resigned.
 


This story was debunked. Techpowerup got a direct quote from EVGA regarding this and the statement from Alex above should be confirmation enough.

https://www.techpowerup.c...the-motherboard-market
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Re: z790 - Future BIOS updates? 2023/07/08 06:41:34 (permalink)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c84cy0LIweE
 apparently a lot of people resigned.
 


This story was debunked. Techpowerup got a direct quote from EVGA regarding this and the statement from Alex above should be confirmation enough.

https://www.techpowerup.c...the-motherboard-market

The debunking is in the process of being debunked by EVGA's actions as progress towards an inevitable end of the company continues.

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Re: z790 - Future BIOS updates? 2023/07/08 14:38:04 (permalink)
The other brands released the bios for RaptorLake-Refresh over three weeks ago now.
  Now, maybe with some effort they will at least be able to release this update... but then what? Do you expect anything else?

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Re: z790 - Future BIOS updates? 2023/07/08 19:28:38 (permalink)
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Hello,
We are working on an updated BIOS to incorporate support for the next generation Intel CPUs on our Z690 and Z790 Motherboards. Once we have more information available it will be posted on our website.
Thank you everyone for your patience.


The real question here. I'm guessing it's only a microcode update to the final 1.15 that's still going through verification. or would you like to clarify if theres new features/bug fixes for non-microcode related things being worked on?
 
Because anybody with the right tools can update microcode.


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Re: z790 - Future BIOS updates? 2023/09/16 23:11:21 (permalink)
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The other brands released the bios for RaptorLake-Refresh over three weeks ago now.
Now, maybe with some effort they will at least be able to release this update... but then what? Do you expect anything else?




This is what I worry about most. Are we even going to see anything in October?
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Re: z790 - Future BIOS updates? 2023/09/17 15:31:29 (permalink)
I just hope we get update before 14th gen CPUs hits the market.

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Re: z790 - Future BIOS updates? 2023/09/18 20:32:46 (permalink)
https://forums.evga.com/m/tm.aspx?m=3607926&fp=2

ChrisB replied 3 weeks ago stating it’s still being worked on.

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Re: z790 - Future BIOS updates? 2023/09/19 04:28:52 (permalink)
Well let me inject some reality here.
 
1) 1.15 is still in beta from what now it's 3+ months? And you expect a new bios to come out? What about wrapping up 1.15 out of beta?
2) You don't go 3+ months without a single reply back were working on it okay, what about 1.15 beta no final? Realistically there should have been 1.15 released and then upcoming 1.16+ for the 14900K.
3) This lack of communication says it all hey I could be wrong I hope I am but reality is a harsh thing.
 
 
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Re: z790 - Future BIOS updates? 2023/09/22 20:10:02 (permalink)
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Well let me inject some reality here.
 
1) 1.15 is still in beta from what now it's 3+ months? And you expect a new bios to come out? What about wrapping up 1.15 out of beta?
2) You don't go 3+ months without a single reply back were working on it okay, what about 1.15 beta no final? Realistically there should have been 1.15 released and then upcoming 1.16+ for the 14900K.
3) This lack of communication says it all hey I could be wrong I hope I am but reality is a harsh thing.
 
 


Yeah does not look good for EVGA.... Hate to be this honest with myself, but I saw this comings months back 
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Re: z790 - Future BIOS updates? 2023/09/23 11:34:31 (permalink)
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Well let me inject some reality here.
 
1) 1.15 is still in beta from what now it's 3+ months? And you expect a new bios to come out? What about wrapping up 1.15 out of beta?
2) You don't go 3+ months without a single reply back were working on it okay, what about 1.15 beta no final? Realistically there should have been 1.15 released and then upcoming 1.16+ for the 14900K.
3) This lack of communication says it all hey I could be wrong I hope I am but reality is a harsh thing.
 
 


Yeah does not look good for EVGA.... Hate to be this honest with myself, but I saw this comings months back 


Why does everyone have such a hard time reading the existing posts from EVGA techs themselves here on the forum in response to my original post that started this thread, and in several other places that state "We are working on update for next gen Intel CPUs and will have more to say when its done" ????  This is fairly common for EVGA in the past to be one of the last releases for BIOS updates.  I for one am taking their statements at face value.  And at this point in time, it doesn't matter at all, as these CPUs are not yet for sale.  Lets all practice some patience and hope the company follows through before all the doom and gloom and assuming the worst.  Do I want an update?  Of course, but even if we get let down, I wont be mad with my 13900KF in this board for many years to come.
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Re: z790 - Future BIOS updates? 2023/09/23 14:17:09 (permalink)
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Well let me inject some reality here.
 
1) 1.15 is still in beta from what now it's 3+ months? And you expect a new bios to come out? What about wrapping up 1.15 out of beta?
2) You don't go 3+ months without a single reply back were working on it okay, what about 1.15 beta no final? Realistically there should have been 1.15 released and then upcoming 1.16+ for the 14900K.
3) This lack of communication says it all hey I could be wrong I hope I am but reality is a harsh thing.
 
 


Yeah does not look good for EVGA.... Hate to be this honest with myself, but I saw this comings months back 


Why does everyone have such a hard time reading the existing posts from EVGA techs themselves here on the forum in response to my original post that started this thread, and in several other places that state "We are working on update for next gen Intel CPUs and will have more to say when its done" ????  This is fairly common for EVGA in the past to be one of the last releases for BIOS updates.  I for one am taking their statements at face value.  And at this point in time, it doesn't matter at all, as these CPUs are not yet for sale.  Lets all practice some patience and hope the company follows through before all the doom and gloom and assuming the worst.  Do I want an update?  Of course, but even if we get let down, I wont be mad with my 13900KF in this board for many years to come.


My fear is that the upcoming BIOS update 1.16 for 14th gen CPU compatibility will be the last one we ever get. And if it's buggy or not quite right, it will still that way forever.

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Re: z790 - Future BIOS updates? 2023/09/23 22:00:21 (permalink)
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Well let me inject some reality here.
 
1) 1.15 is still in beta from what now it's 3+ months? And you expect a new bios to come out? What about wrapping up 1.15 out of beta?
2) You don't go 3+ months without a single reply back were working on it okay, what about 1.15 beta no final? Realistically there should have been 1.15 released and then upcoming 1.16+ for the 14900K.
3) This lack of communication says it all hey I could be wrong I hope I am but reality is a harsh thing.
 
 


reality and fanboys don't get along very well  :-|
 
I really hope to be wrong too, but but all signs point to the worst, and a single out-of-the-way statement from months ago won't change the situation.
Then, however, I believe that maybe a bios with gen14 compatibility will also let it out, with difficulty, but they will, but nothing more.
Just as the rest of the FW support has never been there (does ME tell you anything? and unfortunately I only noticed it after spending over €1K for the Z790Dark), not to mention the SW support (and here obviously all the fanboys they always counter that there is no need for any support, but without realizing that they have already paid handsomely for it in the purchase price).

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Re: z790 - Future BIOS updates? 2023/09/24 04:58:35 (permalink)
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... single out-of-the-way statement from months ago won't change the situation....

Last confirmation of the BIOS was 4 weeks ago:

https://forums.evga.com/m/tm.aspx?m=3607926&fp=2

As you, I am also skeptical, but I do have some hope. My expectations are set low. If they do release an update, fabulous, but we will be petting the skin of our teeth wondering if they will ever release another update for future oddities such as ram and video card incompatibilities. If they don't release an update, I won't be surprised, and life goes on to see what will my next motherboard manufacture of preference will be. I'm kinda leaning towards MSI.

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