2023/10/25 10:06:42
ty_ger07
oldfresh
 Maybe (just a suggestion) we could also get Vince KINGPIN to mention his stock settings and above average settings for 14900K? I know you had access to his FB posts ....

Since he said that this is his new hangout spot to connect with us, I'm sure he will be here to share his valuable insight.  (sarcasm)
https://forums.evga.com/HOLA-m2910342.aspx
 
2023/10/25 11:30:08
B0baganoosh
I have no way to reach out to him, just shared what is publicly viewable.
 
He didn't share BIOS settings, just E-LEET X1 settings showing 61 on 1-core, 60x on 2-core, 58x on 3-to-8-core, and 46x on e-cores. That's why I suggested above that if your cooling is adequate, that is likely feasible. I run my e-cores at 46x, so I'm not surprised. I just can't run 58x all-core without some voltages that are a bit excessive. I can benchmark with 61x on one core (maybe 2, I can't remember), and 57x all-core, but it's HOT and it isn't stable for more than a run or two of something....so there definitely must be some special binning going on for these 14900k's.
 
Just for reference, my 24/7 settings on 13900k are what's above, but multipliers at:
60
60
60
60
58
57
56
55
V/F points 5100 and 5400 at -35 (or possibly -40 I can't remember...it's not stable lower than that).
all-e-cores at 46x
Ring at 46x. Leaving this on auto seems to be less stable for me. I get some kind of random crash that I can't explain and it never happens when I just lock this at 46x. If on auto, it oscillates between 46x and 50x. 12th gen couldn't really boost it past the e-cores and it seems very happy at 46x where my e-cores are.
 
I have a MO-RA3 420 radiator outside the case and a 420mm EK radiator inside the case with an Optimus CPU block and dual pumps. So not everybody can do those clocks 24/7 on a 13900k. Being the 14900k is just a really well-binned 13900k, I would think most can do this, but probably 8-cores at 56 is perfectly fine too and there may also be more tolerance for 61x on 1-2 cores. My CB-r23 scores compared to his are closer to the 41-41.6k range, depending on background tasks leaving open the monitoring software, etc.. 
 
Edit: fixed a typo.
2023/10/25 12:01:26
B0baganoosh
Tried to fix a typo and my post was deleted:
I have no way to reach out to him, just shared what is publicly viewable.
 
He didn't share BIOS settings, just E-LEET X1 settings showing 61 on 1-core, 60x on 2-core, 58x on 3-to-8-core, and 46x on e-cores. That's why I suggested above that if your cooling is adequate, that is likely feasible. I run my e-cores at 46x, so I'm not surprised. I just can't run 58x all-core without some voltages that are a bit excessive. I can benchmark with 61x on one core (maybe 2, I can't remember), and 57x all-core, but it's HOT and it isn't stable for more than a run or two of something....so there definitely must be some special binning going on for these 14900k's.
 
Just for reference, my 24/7 settings on 13900k are what's above, but multipliers at:
60
60
60
60
58
57
56
55
V/F points 5100 and 5400 at -35 (or possibly -40 I can't remember...it's not stable lower than that).
all-e-cores at 46x
Ring at 46x. Leaving this on auto seems to be less stable for me. I get some kind of random crash that I can't explain and it never happens when I just lock this at 46x. If on auto, it oscillates between 46x and 50x. 12th gen couldn't really boost it past the e-cores and it seems very happy at 46x where my e-cores are.
 
I have a MO-RA3 420 radiator outside the case and a 420mm EK radiator inside the case with an Optimus CPU block and dual pumps. So not everybody can do those clocks 24/7 on a 13900k. Being the 14900k is just a really well-binned 13900k, I would think most can do this, but probably 8-cores at 56 is perfectly fine too and there may also be more tolerance for 61x on 1-2 cores. My CB-r23 scores compared to his are closer to the 41-41.6k range, depending on background tasks leaving open the monitoring software, etc.. 
2023/10/25 15:05:18
ilukeberry
What you guys are doing is trial and error approach. Just cheap dirty hacks. You cannot know what new microcode for 14th gen contains or what specification Intel send to motherboard manufacturers.
2023/10/25 15:18:41
B0baganoosh
Nobody claimed this is "acceptable" or perfect. It's just the best chance people have to get their hardware up and running until a new BIOS is provided. It's also exactly what you would do if you're not interested in running stock settings anyway. It doesn't help 14700k/f though, those just won't work at all for now.
2023/10/25 15:19:02
mattman657
ilukeberry
What you guys are doing is trial and error approach. Just cheap dirty hacks. You cannot know what new microcode for 14th gen contains or what specification Intel send to motherboard manufacturers.


Trial and error is always an element of over clocking. You aren't "wrong", but you also aren't really contributing to the question.
2023/10/26 05:52:01
ironage
B0baganoosh
It's just the best chance people have to get their hardware up and running until a new BIOS is provided.



i would not bet on it, just keep/buy 13th gen, 14th gen is a joke anyways, it is no new gen actually.
 
 
2023/10/26 06:34:00
B0baganoosh
ironage
B0baganoosh
It's just the best chance people have to get their hardware up and running until a new BIOS is provided.

i would not bet on it, just keep/buy 13th gen, 14th gen is a joke anyways, it is no new gen actually.

 
I have 13th gen, not upgrading to 14th. Read the OP. They were asking for help from people who have this board on some settings they can try to get the 14th gen CPU they already bought to work on these boards. That's all this is here for. It has been well discussed on pretty much every thread that 14900k is basically a highly-binned 13900k. We know.
 
Also, in no post here has anybody advocated that you or anybody else should go out and buy 14900k, especially if you already have 13th gen. I'm really confused as to with who or why you're trying to have an argument.
2023/10/26 07:15:39
mattman657
B0baganoosh
ironage
B0baganoosh
It's just the best chance people have to get their hardware up and running until a new BIOS is provided.

i would not bet on it, just keep/buy 13th gen, 14th gen is a joke anyways, it is no new gen actually.

 
I have 13th gen, not upgrading to 14th. Read the OP. They were asking for help from people who have this board on some settings they can try to get the 14th gen CPU they already bought to work on these boards. That's all this is here for. It has been well discussed on pretty much every thread that 14900k is basically a highly-binned 13900k. We know.
 
Also, in no post here has anybody advocated that you or anybody else should go out and buy 14900k, especially if you already have 13th gen. I'm really confused as to with who or why you're trying to have an argument.




Thanks, B0baganoosh, appreciate your input. I'm currently on a 9900k, hence why going 14th gen as opposed to 13th. I'd be in the same boat as you if I was currently on 13th, wouldn't be worth making the jump. And agreed, the goal of this thread wasn't to argue whether or not 14th gen was a worthwhile upgrade from 13th.
 
So to give an update. Last night I put everything together outside my case to test the components before tearing down my current build. Getting 5 beeps and then an A6 code and no video output. No GPU is in yet as I want to just test the base stuff before adding it, and going USB-C to HDMI which I think is the issue. From reading the manual, 5 beeps means no video output detected (or keyboard but a keyboard is plugged in). The manual states "USB4 Type-C ports (supports DP 1.4 + HDR)", so today I'm going to get a USB-C to Display Port cable instead of HDMI.
 
I also found the below post regarding A6...
 
Tech_RayH
A6 likely just means that the board is waiting for input from you post POST to proceed. Usually it is shown when you are on the Checksum error screen and the BIOS has been cleared.
All new BIOSes show Checksum error by default. It sounds more likely that the card is not displaying at POST (it may have failed in Port Royal).
If you press F1, the board may change over to showing CPU temps on the POST Code screen.
I would recommend draining the loop and doing more testing.
 
 
Will let y'all know how it goes!
2023/10/26 08:05:22
B0baganoosh
@mattman657,
 
That's correct as far as your A6 code goes. You're probably sitting at the BIOS screen. The beeps are likely indication of no video output. Sometimes it'll show D6 when that happens. I don't have a z790 though, and haven't tested the USB-to-DP option, so I can't really help you there. Maybe someone else can chime in on that one.

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