Kylearan
 
Someone said that increasing MSVDD and MVDDC voltages with the classified tool (I believe it was to 1.125v and 1.40v) helped raise the internal power limits that were triggering this throttling on Kingpin cards.
 
This won't help on your card as you don't have access to these voltages.  The only thing that will address this is an eVGA Bios update or a shunt mod.  Your card is drawing a lot from the PCIE slot, relative to the 8 pins, but it still isn't 100% clear if it's just the PCIE draw limiting you or if it's another power rail.  I know that the Founder's Edition will throttle at 79.9W PCIE Slot (you would only reach this if you shunt modded WITHOUT shunt modding the PCIE slot), even though the vbios dump says the PCIE limit is 86.2W...
 
The "good" thing is that your TDP and TDP Normalized are very close to each other at least, so the rails "think" they are balanced.

I'd bet you're right on that.  Annoys me to no end that it insists on chewing on the PCIE slot that hard when it has so much headroom on the three PCIE lines, especially when it both keeps its draw across those three even and its TDP and TDP Normalized about match up, so it's not even like any of the weird power distribution patterns a lot of people are stuck with is in play here tripping it up.  It even politely respects the 75W cap at the stock PL, and only climbs to 80W with the limit kicked all the way up.
 
I've toyed with the idea of shunting it and sticking it under water, but there's a chance I'll end up having to RMA this one at some point -- it survived a black screen and screaming fans seizure a few weeks ago.  Haven't had a repeat after switching to the XOC BIOS and setting a custom voltage curve, at least, but there's definitely a lot of weird stuff going on with these cards and power.  Really hope we hear something from eVGA soon about all this.
 
If there's any other test scenarios on this BIOS you'd like me to run sometime, just let me know.
 

Dabadger84
 
1980MHz at that low of voltage eh?  I haven't really pushed the limits on undevolting yet, neat to see that should be possible though.  I've found that 2040 @ 994mV is a pretty happy medium for me so far, haven't pushed to see if I can go lower than that on the voltage, pretty sure I could, but even just that results in several degrees lower load temps while being a nice increase in performance over "stock" boost speeds on the 3090 Hybrid.
 

 
Ayup, this chip hates voltage but still wants to fly, if I can keep it from smacking its head on the PL or getting too warm (I'm on air, but I'll admit I keep eyeing those Hybrid retrofit kits...).  I've been playing with undervolting it for about 3 weeks now, and it consistently runs anything under 1995mhz *better* at under 0.993V, even when the temps are the same.  It's so close to doing 1980 at .875, it'll pass Port Royal every time and play at least some games (not tested that too much), but will periodically bomb Timespy.  I bet if I could keep it chilled or if there was a voltage step around .878 it would pass -- it'll do 1965/.875 decently.  1980 at .881 is looking like the sweet spot, benched for hours at that and hit it with an hour of Quake 2 RTX at 4K/120hz without issue -- only complains about being PLed, never voltage (it does step down the expected number of bins due to heat as it'll be around 70*C after an hour on the stock OC fan curve, but stays stable and also drops its voltage to .868-.875 as if to apologize). I still need to see if it will do this in VR, that's always touchy about stability.
 
2040 @ .994 is very sweet!  You should definitely try exploring around the .875-.881 mark with the extra cooling power you have from the Hybrid kit, I bet you'll get some great results.  Mine seems to have a barrier at 1995 I haven't been able to beat reliably, it PLs hard and then destabilizes, or gets warm and downclocks if I raise the voltage.  I've at least managed some successful suicide runs of Port Royal at 2000-2040/.925 (not a typo!) on the high end for speed, and 1950-1965 at .862 on the low end for voltage, but neither were remotely stable.  Still need to see how low it can go while still at or above 1800mhz sometime for laughs, I almost wonder if I could get it below 0.850 at this rate.
 

changboy
 
 I dont know how many games you play but me if i undervolt my card and keeping some oc then i will have some crash in some games sometimes and i hate this. I do a long mission and my card crash near the end grrr, not really my taste. I more keep my voltage and dont have any crash in game.
 

 
Sounds like your card is the opposite of mine and loves volts -- that can also be quite good, especially if you can put it under water.  I hate getting crashes in the middle of a game too, ruins the whole experience.  Definitely still testing my OC/undervolt to make sure it'll hold up in regular, raytraced, and VR gaming, and get it dialed in perfectly so I don't have to constantly change settings.

changboy
 I dont know how many games you play but me if i undervolt my card and keeping some oc then i will have some crash in some games sometimes and i hate this. I do a long mission and my card crash near the end grrr, not really my taste. I more keep my voltage and dont have any crash in game.

I've had zero problems with games crashing on this card, be it at 1980MHz @ 950mV or 2040 @ 994mV or the now 2070 @ 1000mV - that includes hours-long sessions in both Marvel's Avengers & Cyberpunk 2077.
 
You just have to find the sweet spot & don't go "too low" on voltage if you're wanting to run a lower voltage but OCed clocks.  I imagine 1980MHz would work at even 900mV but I haven't tested it yet... keep in mind out of the box (for me at least) the 3090 FTW3 Hybrid runs at 1905-1935MHz 99% of the time - which for the stock voltage it runs is insanely slow, that's only confirmed by the fact that 2040MHz @ 994mV is totally stable as far as I can tell... vs the 1905-1935MHz stock is running at 1050-1080mV, lots of unnecessary heat being generated as a result.
 
Those settings also allow you to stay well under power limit so that you're not bouncing off that & being down-clocked because of it (that's another thing I've noticed, anytime I'm dinging off power limit according to GPUz, that coincides with the card drop clocks a tiny bit to compensate - even when I'm hitting the "dumb/wrong" power limit of 450W instead of the real one)\
 
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Dabadger84
 
1980MHz at that low of voltage eh?  I haven't really pushed the limits on undevolting yet, neat to see that should be possible though.  I've found that 2040 @ 994mV is a pretty happy medium for me so far, haven't pushed to see if I can go lower than that on the voltage, pretty sure I could, but even just that results in several degrees lower load temps while being a nice increase in performance over "stock" boost speeds on the 3090 Hybrid.
 

 
Ayup, this chip hates voltage but still wants to fly, if I can keep it from smacking its head on the PL or getting too warm (I'm on air, but I'll admit I keep eyeing those Hybrid retrofit kits...).  I've been playing with undervolting it for about 3 weeks now, and it consistently runs anything under 1995mhz *better* at under 0.993V, even when the temps are the same.  It's so close to doing 1980 at .875, it'll pass Port Royal every time and play at least some games (not tested that too much), but will periodically bomb Timespy.  I bet if I could keep it chilled or if there was a voltage step around .878 it would pass -- it'll do 1965/.875 decently.  1980 at .881 is looking like the sweet spot, benched for hours at that and hit it with an hour of Quake 2 RTX at 4K/120hz without issue -- only complains about being PLed, never voltage (it does step down the expected number of bins due to heat as it'll be around 70*C after an hour on the stock OC fan curve, but stays stable and also drops its voltage to .868-.875 as if to apologize). I still need to see if it will do this in VR, that's always touchy about stability.
 
2040 @ .994 is very sweet!  You should definitely try exploring around the .875-.881 mark with the extra cooling power you have from the Hybrid kit, I bet you'll get some great results.  Mine seems to have a barrier at 1995 I haven't been able to beat reliably, it PLs hard and then destabilizes, or gets warm and downclocks if I raise the voltage.  I've at least managed some successful suicide runs of Port Royal at 2000-2040/.925 (not a typo!) on the high end for speed, and 1950-1965 at .862 on the low end for voltage, but neither were remotely stable.  Still need to see how low it can go while still at or above 1800mhz sometime for laughs, I almost wonder if I could get it below 0.850 at this rate.

 
I plan on pushing it more in both directions eventually, just been taking a break from constant benchmarking.  I think I can run 2040 at even lower voltage, and based on your results, I would assume I can run 1980 at somewhere in the 875-900 range & still be 100% stable - I'll haveta give that a try.

RMA new card arrived. Made in China. Flashed the new BIOS and PX updated the firmware. Zero crashing. Pushing 150/1250 and power hits 480W max. Waaaaaaaaaaaay better than my old card

Has anyone been able to update Precision X using the XC3 bios without being asked to update firmware? I think I’m on 1.1.1 still
Regarding clocks, I’ve been running +70/+900 on the XC3 BIOS with whatever voltage it gives me since the curve doesn’t work and I don’t have the voltage turned up. I think it’s 2040 after thermal throttling 2070 without, I think, it may actually be 2100, but it never actually runs there. Maybe once I get my water block. Soon I hope.
It’s been very stable though, for Red Dead 2 and Cyberpunk 2077, what I’ve been playing lately.

My issue is that I haven't seen it get anywhere near 500W in anything other than Time Spy Extreme/regular.  Not in games or anything else does it seem to go past 450W... but it also seems like a very capable overclocker, so I'm not too keen on RMAing for the Power Limit issue when it seems to be a golden chip.  I think I'm going to await the BIOS update that's hopefully coming... sometime...
 
Just did a full folding at home unit with 2040MHz @ 981mV, so two steps down, no issues, and ran Port Royal before that to confirm it was at least semi stable (didn't want it breaking my WU).  Gonna try gaming some on it & see how it goes, if it's fine & dandy, I'll push lower... I wanna ideally get as high of speed as I can around 950mV, as that results in notably lower than stock load temps and power draw.
 
At some point I'm going to push 1V & see how high I can go with that too.  I don't think I'll run an OC 24/7 on "stock" voltage, at least not on this card... if I get the Kingpin, that'll be a whole 'nother story, that thing I'll be running at the highest allowed voltage at the highest clock I can get stable at said voltage, a lot of the time, cuz from what I've seen, that thing's clock increases can result in up to a 33% gain in FPS in actual games, compared to a stock 3090, which is kinda nuts when you think about it.

Kylearan
 
Someone said that increasing MSVDD and MVDDC voltages with the classified tool (I believe it was to 1.125v and 1.40v) helped raise the internal power limits that were triggering this throttling on Kingpin cards.
 
This won't help on your card as you don't have access to these voltages.  The only thing that will address this is an eVGA Bios update or a shunt mod.  Your card is drawing a lot from the PCIE slot, relative to the 8 pins, but it still isn't 100% clear if it's just the PCIE draw limiting you or if it's another power rail.  I know that the Founder's Edition will throttle at 79.9W PCIE Slot (you would only reach this if you shunt modded WITHOUT shunt modding the PCIE slot), even though the vbios dump says the PCIE limit is 86.2W...
 
The "good" thing is that your TDP and TDP Normalized are very close to each other at least, so the rails "think" they are balanced.

Theoretically, you can flash the Kingpin VBIOS onto the 3090 FTW3 and have access to those voltages via the classified tool. Both cards allegedly use the same analog voltage controller. Edit: I tried, and it indeed does unlock those voltages on a FTW3 card. However, it didn't make a difference to the power limit (380 to 400W in Valley with perfcap power, and furmark maxed at 450W and most of the time was at 430 (Kingpin 520W VBIOS)). 1.12 nvvdd, 1.4 fbvdd, & 1.2 msvdd and was able to change both load lines to level 1 and disable both ocp. The NV and MS frequencies were stuck at 400 Hz.
 

cerealkeller
Has anyone been able to update Precision X using the XC3 bios without being asked to update firmware? I think I’m on 1.1.1 still
Regarding clocks, I’ve been running +70/+900 on the XC3 BIOS with whatever voltage it gives me since the curve doesn’t work and I don’t have the voltage turned up. I think it’s 2040 after thermal throttling 2070 without, I think, it may actually be 2100, but it never actually runs there. Maybe once I get my water block. Soon I hope.
It’s been very stable though, for Red Dead 2 and Cyberpunk 2077, what I’ve been playing lately.

 
Step 1: Install the latest PX1, but don't open it yet. Step 2: Navigate to the PX1 installation folder and delete everything in the Firmware folder. Step 3: Profit. Found out that this doesn't work for PX 1.1.4. Maybe it would work on an older version, but I just use AB instead.
 
My card would also drop to 2040MHz or so on air because it would get up to 78C while playing CP2077. The Hybrid kit keeps it to mostly 62C, with a max of 64C now, and the clocks stay around 2100 with 2130 being the max with my gaming OC.

Dabadger84
My issue is that I haven't seen it get anywhere near 500W in anything other than Time Spy Extreme/regular.  Not in games or anything else does it seem to go past 450W... but it also seems like a very capable overclocker, so I'm not too keen on RMAing for the Power Limit issue when it seems to be a golden chip.  I think I'm going to await the BIOS update that's hopefully coming... sometime...
 
Just did a full folding at home unit with 2040MHz @ 981mV, so two steps down, no issues, and ran Port Royal before that to confirm it was at least semi stable (didn't want it breaking my WU).  Gonna try gaming some on it & see how it goes, if it's fine & dandy, I'll push lower... I wanna ideally get as high of speed as I can around 950mV, as that results in notably lower than stock load temps and power draw.
 
At some point I'm going to push 1V & see how high I can go with that too.  I don't think I'll run an OC 24/7 on "stock" voltage, at least not on this card... if I get the Kingpin, that'll be a whole 'nother story, that thing I'll be running at the highest allowed voltage at the highest clock I can get stable at said voltage, a lot of the time, cuz from what I've seen, that thing's clock increases can result in up to a 33% gain in FPS in actual games, compared to a stock 3090, which is kinda nuts when you think about it.

I have a FTW3 Hybrid that seems to OC okay, but I don't know how to set up a voltage curve. Is this the thing in PX1 with the OC tuner you can do it on? 
 
My KP arrives tomorrow and I'll be giving my first go with the classified tool and seeing what I can figure out. I wish I knew more about GPU OC'ing. I'm fairly decent with CPUs, but this is a new world to me. I'm used to just dragging sliders and hitting apply for GPUs.

USMC1419
I have a FTW3 Hybrid that seems to OC okay, but I don't know how to set up a voltage curve. Is this the thing in PX1 with the OC tuner you can do it on? 
 
My KP arrives tomorrow and I'll be giving my first go with the classified tool and seeing what I can figure out. I wish I knew more about GPU OC'ing. I'm fairly decent with CPUs, but this is a new world to me. I'm used to just dragging sliders and hitting apply for GPUs.

Undervolting with Precision is a royal pain in the butt, I use Afterburner for undervolting specifically, because you can drag one box & it will setup the whole line, instead of having to adjust each one individually, example on the left side of this image:
 

**Question about Hybrid Kit, PX1 and BIOS**

So I wonder...now that I have the RTX 3090 FTW3 Hybrid kit on the way I will have to use New PX1 versions and FTW3 BIOS no more XC3 unless there's other way to connect the pump. Those who installed it how you did it?

Thank You!

Dabadger84

USMC1419
I have a FTW3 Hybrid that seems to OC okay, but I don't know how to set up a voltage curve. Is this the thing in PX1 with the OC tuner you can do it on? 
 
My KP arrives tomorrow and I'll be giving my first go with the classified tool and seeing what I can figure out. I wish I knew more about GPU OC'ing. I'm fairly decent with CPUs, but this is a new world to me. I'm used to just dragging sliders and hitting apply for GPUs.

Undervolting with Precision is a royal pain in the butt, I use Afterburner for undervolting specifically, because you can drag one box & it will setup the whole line, instead of having to adjust each one individually, example on the left side of this image:
 

Are you still getting that 6500C alert on the latest drivers?