EVGA never said the card will boost at 2200 mhz and the spec is boost clock 1800 mhz lol.

changboy
EVGA never said the card will boost at 2200 mhz and the spec is boost clock 1800 mhz lol.

Quite. But many of their cards aren't within spec for PCIE power draw, and that appears to be the problem with cards being power limited at a lot less than 500W.

Did EVGA ever promise 500w? Just asking

Thanks dejanco and Dabadger84!

vlcapata
Did EVGA ever promise 500w? Just asking

Did they promise 450W with their stock VBIOS?
 
Yes, implied through marketing/card specifications. And no, because it's an up to kind of thing. But then again, (again) many cards can't get close no matter the VBIOS because of them being out of spec for PCIE power draw out of the box - which, with GPU boost, limits GPU clock speeds which limits performance.
 
Install the XC3 VBIOS and viola - you bypass whatever the problem is (could be design, could be component selection - could be on purpose, could be an accident). It sure as heck isn't because of the stock or XOC BIOS since so many have tried other VBIOSs (other than the XC3) and found the same issue following the card, not the VBIOS.

arestavo

vlcapata
Did EVGA ever promise 500w? Just asking

Did they promise 450W with their stock VBIOS?
 
Yes, implied through marketing/card specifications. And no, because it's an up to kind of thing. But then again, (again) many cards can't get close no matter the VBIOS because of them being out of spec for PCIE power draw out of the box - which, with GPU boost, limits GPU clock speeds which limits performance.
 
Install the XC3 VBIOS and viola - you bypass whatever the problem is (could be design, could be component selection - could be on purpose, could be an accident). It sure as heck isn't because of the stock or XOC BIOS since so many have tried other VBIOSs (other than the XC3) and found the same issue following the card, not the VBIOS.

if that's the case I gonna return my card....should have gotten an asus strix
The 500 watt bios won't even bring me over 410 so **** pretty much i have a high-end card what i can't overclock because of the power limit issue

lemuth80

arestavo

vlcapata
Did EVGA ever promise 500w? Just asking

Did they promise 450W with their stock VBIOS?
 
Yes, implied through marketing/card specifications. And no, because it's an up to kind of thing. But then again, (again) many cards can't get close no matter the VBIOS because of them being out of spec for PCIE power draw out of the box - which, with GPU boost, limits GPU clock speeds which limits performance.
 
Install the XC3 VBIOS and viola - you bypass whatever the problem is (could be design, could be component selection - could be on purpose, could be an accident). It sure as heck isn't because of the stock or XOC BIOS since so many have tried other VBIOSs (other than the XC3) and found the same issue following the card, not the VBIOS.

if that's the case I gonna return my card....should have gotten an asus strix
The 500 watt bios won't even bring me over 410 so **** pretty much i have a high-end card what i can't overclock because of the power limit issue

Really seems to depend on the card. OC toggle (no XOC bios) mine averages 445W with max 475W, PCIE max 70W. Red lipped 2014x model (IIRC).
That being said, I have a brand new Corsair HX1200 and get power-related insufficiency shutdowns on OCCT's power test. I haven't been able to capture the spike that shuts down the system but it's there.

My HX1200i was having problems running my 3090ftw3 ultra.... boot issues stability issues BSOD... swapped the PSU and now it doesn't BSOD or have boot issues! 

are you sure that it was the hx1200i? I have the same and there is no problem at all. The sleep mode issue was fixed with the new nvidia driver. Maybe it was a coincidence? 
What dou you mean with stability issues? Game crashes?

edit: of course possible that your PSU was faulty!

The problem is the power balancing on the cards.  It's very highly likely it's something onboard in hardware and not vbios related, since otherwise eVGA could just make PCIE slot a lower % of the 8 pin #1 value (example 60W-->150W instead of 75W-->150W) which would solve that issue.  What some people have overlooked, is it could also be a hardware issue related to 8 pin #3 not having the proper power balancing (and not PCIE slot as previously thought), since everyone said that their 8 pin #3 always reports very low.  Maybe it has something to do with the XC3 and FTW3 PCB's being so similar, which is why flashing the XC3 Vbios works so well for FTW owners.  But I can pretty much say 100% certainly it's either PCIE slot reporting its max draw too soon, or 8 pin #3 NOT drawing enough relative to #1/#2.
 
I didn't check the XC3 thread, but do XC3 owners have the same problem?  I'm assuming not because there aren't 3 eight-pins on that card.
 
Here is what proper balancing should look like.
This is from an unmodded 3090 FE and a 114% TDP (400W) Superposition run.
 
https://i.imgur.com/sg1ckgD.jpg
 
You can see PCIE#1 is at its max cap of 175W (PCIE pin limit), PCIE#2 is a bit below that (170W) and PCIE slot tapped out at 69.7W.
They didn't reach those limits at the exact same time (that would be 414W) but you get the point.
 
Note that 79W is the absolute slot limit on FE and 300W for chip (GPU Core NVVDD Input Power) power limit (both are well below those limits).
 
So the FTW3 problems can be either because of 8 pin #3 not drawing enough (drawing more would put it at TDP without PCIE slot triggering a power limit) or PCIE slot drawing too much.
I think the 8 pin #3 should be looked at a bit more.  Did anyone check the PCIE Slot Limit on the 2 pin cards vs their TDP slider limits?
 
On all of the screenshots I saw earlier, where people pulled 500W Sustained on the XOC Bios, they all had 8 pin #1, 2 and 3 pulling more than 140W each, very close to each other, with PCIE slot at 75W.