2020/12/11 20:33:46
digitalmonk
Question, does everyone who complains about this card and  wants to send it in for RMA to get a new one because the 500W bios doesn't work actually play anything, or is this about some crazy WOF score?
I have Taiwan 2014 card and it does ok in all the benchmarks +85gpu and +1000mem. Doesn't hit 500W in anything but makes all my VR sim driving titles smooth AF where my 2080ti struggled. 
97 pages and a lot of complaints that  the card can't reach a certain PR score... kind of silly no,  When guys are soldering scarp onto their card to get a better score?  


In a year these cards will be obsolete anyway. Just enjoy what you have. I seriously doubt any of the other cards on the market are drastically better in performance in actual games than
this card. A couple FPS over another card is stupid anyway. you won't notice it. Can someone can tell me that any Asus, MSI, Gigabyte... or whatever is better in sustaining playable  VR framerates that are WAY above these EVGA cards, I don't think there is though...
 
2020/12/11 20:43:02
fragility_V1
I gotta say, I was skeptical of using the XC3 Bios, but gave me a noticeably better score in Port Royal. 
 
Settings of +120 on GPU clock with boost lock, 80% on voltage, +1200 on mem:
With XOC bios netted a PR score of ~14045 https://www.3dmark.com/pr/630391
Same setting with the XC3 bios ~14,416 https://www.3dmark.com/pr/629943
 
Clocks with the XOC bios averaged around 1930 MHz, while with the XC3 bios was 2079 MHz.
 
Power draw behavior in BR was a bit weird under the XC3 bios (probably because XC3 doesn't have the third 8-pin).  But card was power limited showing a draw of ~300W and pulling ~160W on the #2 8-pin.   (300W seems low)
 
Under XOC, was still power limited around 410W peak, usually around 400W.  At most pulling around 120W on the #1 8-pin and decreasing on each of the other two 8-pins.
 
May try flashing back to stock OC or normal FTW3 tomorrow and see what happens, but tonight it's Cyberpunk on the XC3 bios!
2020/12/11 22:24:29
arestavo
fragility_V1
I gotta say, I was skeptical of using the XC3 Bios, but gave me a noticeably better score in Port Royal. 
 
Settings of +120 on GPU clock with boost lock, 80% on voltage, +1200 on mem:
With XOC bios netted a PR score of ~14045 https://www.3dmark.com/pr/630391
Same setting with the XC3 bios ~14,416 https://www.3dmark.com/pr/629943
 
Clocks with the XOC bios averaged around 1930 MHz, while with the XC3 bios was 2079 MHz.
 
Power draw behavior in BR was a bit weird under the XC3 bios (probably because XC3 doesn't have the third 8-pin).  But card was power limited showing a draw of ~300W and pulling ~160W on the #2 8-pin.   (300W seems low)
 
Under XOC, was still power limited around 410W peak, usually around 400W.  At most pulling around 120W on the #1 8-pin and decreasing on each of the other two 8-pins.
 
May try flashing back to stock OC or normal FTW3 tomorrow and see what happens, but tonight it's Cyberpunk on the XC3 bios!


As it's been said over and over - the XC3 VBIOS bugs out the power readings. They won't be accurate when reading them from software.
 
You'll need an UPS or other power measuring device to measure power draw from the wall to see the rough increase from the stock/XOC VBIOS.
 
digitalmonk
Question, does everyone who complains about this card and  wants to send it in for RMA to get a new one because the 500W bios doesn't work actually play anything, or is this about some crazy WOF score?
I have Taiwan 2014 card and it does ok in all the benchmarks +85gpu and +1000mem. Doesn't hit 500W in anything but makes all my VR sim driving titles smooth AF where my 2080ti struggled. 
97 pages and a lot of complaints that  the card can't reach a certain PR score... kind of silly no,  When guys are soldering scarp onto their card to get a better score?  


In a year these cards will be obsolete anyway. Just enjoy what you have. I seriously doubt any of the other cards on the market are drastically better in performance in actual games than
this card. A couple FPS over another card is stupid anyway. you won't notice it. Can someone can tell me that any Asus, MSI, Gigabyte... or whatever is better in sustaining playable  VR framerates that are WAY above these EVGA cards, I don't think there is though...
 

 
People are angry because their nice, shiny, very expensive cards are power limited. Likely because of some design (flaw, or on purpose?) choice that EVGA made that makes the majority of 3090 FTW3 cards pull 75+ watts from the PCIE socket, therefor power limiting them well before the card should be.
 
I can fire up the valley benchmark and get power limited at 400W on the XOC or Kingpin VBIOS. Or strix 480W VBIOS. Or, I can flash the 2 power pin XC3 VBIOS and bug out the power readings, and the card drops the power limit and can hold high voltage and high clocks. How much higher? 1920 to 1950MHz seems to be the fastest I can get with most new games with the Kingpin or XOC VBIOS. 2040 to 2100Mhz is what the XC3 VBIOS can average. This is on air, and will likely improve once I get the Hybrid cooler on it.
2020/12/11 23:18:37
93f0rc3
A bit off the topic here guys.

There is older px1 software that states 30 series only.

Then there is the latest px1 software that shows support for kingpin 3090.

So, can I install latest px1 having a FTW3 Ultra 3090?
2020/12/11 23:47:03
fragility_V1
arestavo
 
As it's been said over and over - the XC3 VBIOS bugs out the power readings. They won't be accurate when reading them from software.
 
You'll need an UPS or other power measuring device to measure power draw from the wall to see the rough increase from the stock/XOC VBIOS.
 

 
Didn't feel like going through 90+pages of mainly worthless posts, difficult to boil it down to a concise summary of what's going on and what the recommended workaround is.  Thanks for confirming this is a known issue.
2020/12/12 00:28:48
changboy
Usually you always better with the latest sofware if you want avoid bug.
2020/12/12 01:58:24
mavortium
Quick question - how do you gauge if a memory overclock is safe on this card? Thanks.
2020/12/12 02:11:18
dejanco
check the frametime and if your fps go up and down... there is a point when ECC kicks in and the memory has to correct errors = moment, when performance is lost
2020/12/12 02:15:52
Dabadger84
Seems there's a bit of a bug/issue going around in these parts, I have a 3090 FTW3 Hybrid on the way, what's the haps folks?  The PCIe slot drawing more than spec still an issue on the newer batches, anything else crop up?
 
mavortium
Quick question - how do you gauge if a memory overclock is safe on this card? Thanks.

 
A good way to test vRAM OCing is to use something like Port Royal (because it's fast & spits out a number that's comparable run to run for the most part), keep bumping it until the score starts going back down, then adjust it downward a few %, and run a more thorough test suite (Valley, FireStrike, TimeSpy, real games, etc) & see how it goes.
2020/12/12 02:23:36
ckelas
I don’t care about other cards. I care about what was promised by EVGA, I care about a £2k card meeting its advertised specifications.

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