2020/12/11 05:01:33
xian65
Sure. Easiest way to see the data is a screenshot of the CSV logs from GPU-Z. The 500kB restriction makes it hard to set it to a high res.
 
Some take home differences (Which have been explained to death) are:
 
PCIe Slot Power hovers at 40W (Always 75W+ on the FTW3 card, mostly at 80W+)
8 pin PCIe Connectors 1 and 2 are maxed at ~150W. Connector 3 hovers at ~110W. Total power average comes out to 447.98W for the whole run. Card power draw doesn't bounce all over the shop and remains remarkably consistent.
 
I'll throw the XOC BIOS into the Silent switch slot soon and retest to see what the power numbers sit at.
changboy
 Can you show a port royal benchmark of your msi supreme X please ? And also a gpuz total power draw of the board ?




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2020/12/11 06:27:22
xgiovio
Email between me and customer support.
 
 
Hello,
I applied the xoc beta bios but I can't reach 500w of usage even if the power limit is set to 119%.
I feel made fun of. I payed a lot for this card and I discover I can't do anything better than other cards.

Your Answer

Hello Giovanni,

thank you for contacting our support.

We're sorry to read, that it seems like, that the reachable 500W wasn't achieved yet.

However, this can have some multiple reasons.

The first major thing, that we have to know is, what kind of PSU are you using for that?

Because, our PX1, do have some limitations, which will be provided from the system itself.

In the meantime, we will check with our PM-Team, about the BIOS-Version 
and will provide you an updated version, as soon we have received it.

We're looking forward to your response, to assisting you further.

Best regards,

EVGA EU Customer Support
 
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2020/12/11 07:13:38
AzN1337c0d3r
96 pages, 6 weeks+, and still no admitting there is a problem. Just that "we're looking into it".
2020/12/11 07:19:16
xgiovio
last time for me on evga cards. Evga precision is bugged. This expensive 3090 is bugged. I'm tired. My next buy will be msi or asus. At least msi afterburner works great. And also when i had the 2080ti hybrid with evga, i had to use that crap of precision x because i could't set the fan from msi ab.
 
2020/12/11 08:51:00
shoumpavlis
xian65
Long time member and long time lurker in this thread but a rare poster.
 
Throwing in my perspective, as others have said, it's the lack of communication that has made me nervous. No ownership publicly that a problem is there despite there being so many enthusiasts providing exhaustive data on how/where/when the problem manifests itself. I pulled the trigger on buying the card without going digging because 1. 3090's were selling out fast and 2. The EVGA reputation combined with the widely reported availability of a 500W BIOS when I'm going water cooling. Huge disappointment to find this thread and watched from when it was only 6 pages long to now at 96 with almost no re-assurance something is being done.
 
Personally, I've purchased an MSI Suprim X to replace my FTW3 Ultra because this has dragged on far too long. The FTW3 card will go on e-bay but the bitter taste of losing money due to it now being used will last a while (I'm in Australia and our return options are much more limited than in the States).
 
Testing the Suprim X last night, a very quick run through Heaven with +100 core, +800 mem, 107% power limit on the stock 450W completed with a higher score than I received after hours of tweaking on the FTW3 and power sat right on 440W to 455W, whole way through, just as you'd expect with average clock rates much closer to 2,000 than 1,900. Night and day compared to the all over the shop numbers from the FTW3. This is no longer my problem but for the love of god EVGA, help people feel like they haven't wasted the extra few hundred $$'s they've paid for an enthusiast version of an already enthusiast priced card.
 
 


How are the noise levels on this card? 
2020/12/11 08:51:34
professordumbdumb
My FTW3 Ultra never really got above 400W - spikes only - and PWR Perfcaps in the high 1800's low 1900's, but I've had a few cards in the last months that I've played with - and then passed on to friends / family.
 
Of the different cards I've used - the power draw is highly dependent on binning - here using custom curves to achieve maximum stable clocks at lowest voltage (then flat undervolt to stay under the boost clock / power target - running up against perfcap PWR).  There is some variability in clock depending on the test - but for example superposition 1080p extreme - these are the takeaways for me.
 
Asus tuf 3090 - 1980 at 390w
Asus tuf oc 3090 - 2025 at 390w
Asus Strix 3090 - 2010 at 480w (there is more in this one - but needs a bit of fine tuning - maybe a repaste - a friend is going to block this one and custom loop)  Interestingly the mlcc's are tan colored - mem was good past +1250 (best of all that I've seen)
Asus Strix 3090 - 2070+ at 480w (heat limits clock here) - the mlcc's are black on this one - and it is an amazing clocker at low volts (2010 is doable below .9v) mem limits out at +750.
Evga FTW3 Ultra 3090 - 1940-1965 at 400W.  Erratic clocking behavior - but stable, and effective quiet cooling.
 
I'm confident that the EVGA card will boost higher - if given more power - but at first glance - appears to suffer the worst binning of all the cards I've used. Locked in at 1980 no prob with a 2 pin bios.  PCIE slot draw was ~75-80w.  PCI-e 8pin #3 was 30-40% less at all times compared to 1 and 2.
 
EDIT:
Should add to refute the EVGA suspicion of external factors (psu inadequate etc) - my testing has compared the use of 2 different corsair ax1600i's in single or multirail.  Motherboards include x299 dark with 10980xe, either using or removing the supplementary pci-e power connector to the board, b550-i strix with 5800x, and Aorus Master with 9900k.  The only thing I haven't tried is running the gpu off a completely separate power supply from the main system.  Not sure this would make much difference though.  The problem appears to lie with the card / bios / power distribution / power sensing / load balancing / on the FTW3 ultra itself.  Suspect that the PCIE slot draw is limiting the card from drawing further from the 8pins.
2020/12/11 09:25:08
TheAngryIrishman
Well if you have a 3090 you can always flash the kingpin ln2 bios to your card like I did to my ftw3 ultra 3090🤣. A 520 watt bios... It's available in tech power up unconfirmed bios as people who used gpuz loaded the bios to the site tech power up just hasn't confirmed the 3 bios yet. Even makes it where the classified tool recognizes your ftw3 ultra 3090 as a king pin and then bam the tool works. Only time I ever hit 500 watts since the doc bios doesn't hit above 480 smh. Careful tho you can brick your card as the classified tool removes all safe guards and don't go hog wild with the settings the kingpin has better mosfets and stuff! I'm liquid cooled running below ambient. Got a nice score of 17352 on port royal with the "pseudo kingpin" as I call her bahaha. Hell even air cooled my gpu ran idle at 4 delta t above ambient of 70 f which is basically 22 degrees c. Guess I have a gold sample in my ftw3 ultra desiguised as a king pin. 🤣. Side note as long as one of the 2 bios works right you are allowed to rma the card it's in the evga terms..so I put the ln2 bios on the default bios setting of the 3090 ftw3 ultra haha.
2020/12/11 09:37:31
ckelas
professordumbdumb
My FTW3 Ultra never really got above 400W - spikes only - and PWR Perfcaps in the high 1800's low 1900's, but I've had a few cards in the last months that I've played with - and then passed on to friends / family.
 
Of the different cards I've used - the power draw is highly dependent on binning - here using custom curves to achieve maximum stable clocks at lowest voltage (then flat undervolt to stay under the boost clock / power target - running up against perfcap PWR).  There is some variability in clock depending on the test - but for example superposition 1080p extreme - these are the takeaways for me.
 
Asus tuf 3090 - 1980 at 390w
Asus tuf oc 3090 - 2025 at 390w
Asus Strix 3090 - 2010 at 480w (there is more in this one - but needs a bit of fine tuning - maybe a repaste - a friend is going to block this one and custom loop)  Interestingly the mlcc's are tan colored - mem was good past +1250 (best of all that I've seen)
Asus Strix 3090 - 2070+ at 480w (heat limits clock here) - the mlcc's are black on this one - and it is an amazing clocker at low volts (2010 is doable below .9v) mem limits out at +750.
Evga FTW3 Ultra 3090 - 1940-1965 at 400W.  Erratic clocking behavior - but stable, and effective quiet cooling.
 
I'm confident that the EVGA card will boost higher - if given more power - but at first glance - appears to suffer the worst binning of all the cards I've used. Locked in at 1980 no prob with a 2 pin bios.  PCIE slot draw was ~75-80w.  PCI-e 8pin #3 was 30-40% less at all times compared to 1 and 2.
 
EDIT:
Should add to refute the EVGA suspicion of external factors (psu inadequate etc) - my testing has compared the use of 2 different corsair ax1600i's in single or multirail.  Motherboards include x299 dark with 10980xe, either using or removing the supplementary pci-e power connector to the board, b550-i strix with 5800x, and Aorus Master with 9900k.  The only thing I haven't tried is running the gpu off a completely separate power supply from the main system.  Not sure this would make much difference though.  The problem appears to lie with the card / bios / power distribution / power sensing / load balancing / on the FTW3 ultra itself.  Suspect that the PCIE slot draw is limiting the card from drawing further from the 8pins.




Do you return such an under-performing product to the seller?
Do you RMA it?
Do you wait for a solution from EVGA?
What would you advise bro?
2020/12/11 10:23:28
QueueCumber
I returned the one I could still.return that had issues. Waiting to hear back from tech support on my KPE card that has some issues (been a few days now).
2020/12/11 10:25:14
QueueCumber
My newegg ftw3 ultra works well. As well as my KPE but on air, which is really really really SAD.....

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