2021/02/22 08:18:42
enewt
Monday. February 22. For cards that launched on September 17. More than five months! This gestation period is ridiculous! 
 
As of 8:15 am PT Monday morning, February 22, this is the status of the North American queues (bolded font represents movement from the morning of Friday, February 19; italicized parentheticals calculate the length of movement from the prior report):
 
Card                                  SKU                        Auto-Notify Timestamp / (Change from Previous Summary)
 
Ultra
3090 FTW3 Ultra                 3987                       10/12/2020 18:51:55    
3090 XC3 Ultra                   3975                       10/05/2020 20:52:00
3080 FTW3 Ultra                 3897                       09/19/2020 13:46:31      (03:00:57)        
3080 XC3 Ultra                   3885                       09/18/2020 08:26:34 
3070 FTW3 Ultra                 3767                       10/29/2020 23:19:35    
3070 XC3 Ultra                   3755                       11/05/2020 09:48:25      (00:33:06)          
3060 Ti FTW3 Ultra             3667                       12/01/2020 07:14:12  
 
Gaming
3090 FTW3 Gaming             3985                       09/24/2020 16:12:06      
3090 XC3 Gaming               3973                       09/24/2020 00:00:00
3080 FTW3 Gaming             3895                       09/16/2020 00:00:00
3080 XC3 Gaming               3883                       09/16/2020 11:01:20
3070 XC3 Gaming               3753                       10/29/2020 09:20:00    
3060 Ti FTW3 Gaming         3665                       12/08/2020 14:51:32     
3060 Ti XC3 Gaming           3663                       12/01/2020 07:16:00  
 
Black
3090 XC3 Black                   3971                       09/24/2020 00:00:00 
3080 XC3 Black                   3881                       09/16/2020 15:14:00  
3070 XC3 Black                   3751                       10/29/2020 06:15:13   
 
Hybrid
3090 FTW3 Ultra Hybrid       3988                       12/10/2020 09:42:26   
3090 XC3 Ultra Hybrid         3978                       12/08/2020 14:19:07     
3080 FTW3 Ultra Hybrid       3898                       12/16/2020 09:04:29  
3080 XC3 Ultra Hybrid         3888                       12/10/2020 09:08:56    
 
Hydro Copper (Delayed)
3090 FTW 3 Ultra HC           3989                       11/13/2020 00:00:00
3090 XC3 Ultra HC              3979                       11/13/2020 00:00:00
3080 FTW3 Ultra HC            3899                       11/13/2020 00:00:00
3080 XC3 Ultra HC              3889                       11/13/2020 00:00:00
 
K|NGP|N (Queue sheet)       3998                       12/16/2020 18:30:20  
 
May your remaining wait be shorter than you anticipate; it is already longer than you deserve.
 
Good luck today! Stay safe!
2021/02/22 08:42:21
stoney77788
philipma1957
Well eth profits took a hit last night 11.7 cents dropped to 10.87 cents
 
Translation a 3080 earned $11.70 a day mining  it now earns $10.87 pre power. Even in California at 45 cent a kwatt power cost to mine is $3.60 for a 3080.  So it earned $8 a day yesterday and now earns 7 a day today.  A few more good hits dropping it to 2 dollar profit will slow mining a lot.
 
Meanwhile waiting for 3060tis I am 2 hours off 2 of them.
Waiting for a king pin.


ETH mining is not going to slow down until it drops to less than a dollar a day. There were a lot of people mining it before the 30 series came out they were just using amd GPU's. Now with the 30 series being what it is they can make a lot more with the 30 series card. My boss does the mining thing and unlike some he has like the rest of us went thru queues and notify me's and has gotten a couple 3080's and 3090 and a couple of 3060 Ti's and his 3080's are making about 16 a day per card before the miniscule hit your talking about. And keep in mind unlike some people he is actually just like the rest of us going thru the long waits to get his cards. That little hit is not going slow the minors if anything they will want to add another card to their rig (depending on their setup). Keep in mind the big miners who have been snatching all the available cards they can have already paid for the investment so now its just profit. Besides its not just ETH mining helping the shortage issue, there are other things to mine out there besides ETH. I know because with my single 3060 TI (which I got from EVGA queue) I have been using to mine ETH while I am sleeping and during the day while at work and not gaming. I have been doing some CPU mining with my Ryzen 9 and have also looked at mining a couple other things with an old computer that I have. 
 
Efficiency wise the cards to worry about for mining are the 3060 TI's. Hashrate to power usage they are the most efficient cards out there right now. They are more efficient then the 3080 and 3090's both. My 3060 ti if I left it running at its best hash to power rate could make almost 9 dollars a day and use about half the power (and I havent tuned it to be the most efficient it can be) compared to the 3080 or 3090. but obviously I do have to work so I turn it down during the day while working and off after work while I jump into my games. Sure you can get Higher hash rate out of a 3080 and a 3090 but at the cost of increase power usage. 
 
I worked with my boss to get the most efficient power to hash on all his cards so far and the most efficient like I said is the 3060 TI. 
 
So is the mining affecting the card availability sure it is, but only because the GPU manufacturers are making more on the 3060 GPU's that they are selling to the big distributors. Which of course is making it slower to get the big number cards because there is only so much silicone available for those chips.
 
Yes this is all frustrating, the whole last 12 months has been frustrating. Just goes to show how unprepared we are as a society to deal with something like Covid. And with the release of the new 3060 this week its going to get a lot worse. They need to stop releasing new cards and focus on stabilizing what they have now.
 
Besides ETH is basically back where it was before the brief "crash" this morning so at most they lost cents for about 10 minutes.
 
End of Rant.
 
For those that are still suffering the long wait for a card I am hoping they get off their rears and get you guys your cards soon. Good luck and lets hope for some decent drops this week. Not gonna say good drops because that wont happen till everyone here has their card. But decent is doable or should be anyways.



 
2021/02/22 08:45:29
gsrcrxsi
philipma1957
Well eth profits took a hit last night 11.7 cents dropped to 10.87 cents
 
Translation a 3080 earned $11.70 a day mining  it now earns $10.87 pre power. Even in California at 45 cent a kwatt power cost to mine is $3.60 for a 3080.  So it earned $8 a day yesterday and now earns 7 a day today.  A few more good hits dropping it to 2 dollar profit will slow mining a lot.
 
Meanwhile waiting for 3060tis I am 2 hours off 2 of them.
Waiting for a king pin.


people wont stop mining until it drops below profitability. even if it's just above profitable they will keep going. and even when it dips slightly below profitable, most people will hold on and keep going. it needs to drop wayyyy below profitability for miners to actually stop in mass amounts, enough that it stops impacting GPU availability.  


2021/02/22 08:48:01
stoney77788
gsrcrxsi
philipma1957
Well eth profits took a hit last night 11.7 cents dropped to 10.87 cents
 
Translation a 3080 earned $11.70 a day mining  it now earns $10.87 pre power. Even in California at 45 cent a kwatt power cost to mine is $3.60 for a 3080.  So it earned $8 a day yesterday and now earns 7 a day today.  A few more good hits dropping it to 2 dollar profit will slow mining a lot.
 
Meanwhile waiting for 3060tis I am 2 hours off 2 of them.
Waiting for a king pin.


people wont stop mining until it drops below profitability. even if it's just above profitable they will keep going. and even when it dips slightly below profitable, most people will hold on and keep going. it needs to drop wayyyy below profitability for miners to actually stop in mass amounts, enough that it stops impacting GPU availability.  




Ya it is going to have to hit the point where they are paying more for power then they are making before they are going to stop mining eth, Bad thing is they will just move on to something else and keep mining away. To impact mining have to get rid of the minable things otherwise it will always impact GPU availability.
2021/02/22 09:16:19
philipma1957
Yeah I guess it will just stay slow for card. BTW lots of good points written above. 
2021/02/22 09:25:22
jobitz8750
Yeah, I get it, and I am tracking the large majority are indeed in the same situation. 
 
I honestly don't mind the wait - but now that I see the words "price hike"... So I get to pay more for a card that many people lucked out on and found, simply because of the RNG of spamming F5? That makes me mad. I'm appreciative of the queue, and I do think its the best solution possible, but price hikes for customers that are already waiting should not be a thing. 
 
 
2021/02/22 09:30:32
stoney77788
jobitz8750
Yeah, I get it, and I am tracking the large majority are indeed in the same situation. 
 
I honestly don't mind the wait - but now that I see the words "price hike"... So I get to pay more for a card that many people lucked out on and found, simply because of the RNG of spamming F5? That makes me mad. I'm appreciative of the queue, and I do think its the best solution possible, but price hikes for customers that are already waiting should not be a thing. 
 
 


I am in total agreement with you on the fact that if you went into the queues at the lower price then that should be honored period. Thats called good customer service which unfortunately seems to be getting harder and harder to find nowadays. It is not hard to set prices to basically be if entered queue before x date and time they get x price if entered after x date and time they get this price.
 
 
2021/02/22 09:38:32
dexmex88
philipma1957
Well eth profits took a hit last night 11.7 cents dropped to 10.87 cents
 
Translation a 3080 earned $11.70 a day mining  it now earns $10.87 pre power. Even in California at 45 cent a kwatt power cost to mine is $3.60 for a 3080.  So it earned $8 a day yesterday and now earns 7 a day today.  A few more good hits dropping it to 2 dollar profit will slow mining a lot.
 
Meanwhile waiting for 3060tis I am 2 hours off 2 of them.
Waiting for a king pin.




A lot of us don't have silly California power costs. Mine is .10 per kwh :-)
2021/02/22 09:39:21
nomoss
MSI 3070 Ventus and 3090 Suprim on the Shuffle today, along with all of the Ryzens 5xxx.
I'd rather wait than buy the Ventus.  Now I kind of have to hope I don't win the draw on the Suprim because, dang, $2300.


2021/02/22 09:41:30
jobitz8750
stoney77788
jobitz8750
Yeah, I get it, and I am tracking the large majority are indeed in the same situation. 
 
I honestly don't mind the wait - but now that I see the words "price hike"... So I get to pay more for a card that many people lucked out on and found, simply because of the RNG of spamming F5? That makes me mad. I'm appreciative of the queue, and I do think its the best solution possible, but price hikes for customers that are already waiting should not be a thing. 
 
 


I am in total agreement with you on the fact that if you went into the queues at the lower price then that should be honored period. Thats called good customer service which unfortunately seems to be getting harder and harder to find nowadays. It is not hard to set prices to basically be if entered queue before x date and time they get x price if entered after x date and time they get this price.
 
 




The worst part is that I selected a card within my price range. I didn't sign up for multiple cards, because I didn't want to possibly take away from others who were waiting on that card - and now I may not even be able to afford the one I signed up for? That sucks. 

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