I think NVIDIA is trying to reset the floor market price for the next gen GPUs.  If you look at what they have been doing along and with the secondary market pricing scaling upwards, the prices have been going through the roof.  With the initial launch of the 30 series, the prices were about half to a third of what the current TI's models are going for.  A couple of years ago most people would more than likely say they would not buy a GPU for over 2k, but now it's the norm for a large portion of the gaming segment.  3080TI's going for over 2k are now setting the bench marks for the 4000 series of GPUs from most manufacturers.  They are going to justify it with the huge increase in performance and since most gamers/users have seen the prices go up they will be less shocked to see the 4000 series setting new standards as far as costs.  
 
Even with the more recent releases of the TIs which from a cost standpoint makes little sense to the end users, but the more important thing is that the shortages of materials and the high demand are forcing the market to shift upward to these higher priced GPUs because of it.  
 
I kinda cringe on the thought of the 3090TI Kingpin is going to go for.  I do think it will be around 2.3k for the hybrid and closer to 2.5k if they come out with a HC.  With the short life of the refresh due to the impending release of the 4000 series later this year, I'm not sure what kind of support a TI Kingpin is going to get from the water block companies unless the AIBs use the same PCB which would allow 3090 TI and 3090 TI Kingpins to share the same block.  
 
The good thing is the while the 30 series may not be a perfect series, it does provide most gamers enough power to use in games for the next few years.  It will take the GPU segment to crash to bring back lower prices but I don't see that happening anytime in the near future.  
 
I'm going to skip the 3090TI and take a look at the 4000 series when they come out.  I am hoping my wallet and bank account will have enough time till then to recover from all the 30 series stuff I bought.  

That feeling when you bought the 3090 KINPIN last night 

The big thing that no one knows yet too is what the effective service life of the 3090 kp will be. Announcing a 3090ti kp is great but if it’s 6 months from now til the queue and another 6 months until fulfillment with a 40xx series due this year, what are we really talking about? The card won’t be DOA but it will be deprecated before it even ships for $2500-3000 plus whatever the block is, if there is a block at all. Not a good planned product lifecycle.

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https://videocardz.com/ne...sted-for-at-least-3654

If this is correct, the 3090ti prices are stupid expensive.

don't read into this.
 
first of all, zotac and MSI are rip of artists. MSI is the company that tried to scalp their own cards on ebay at 2x the price. and even when they aren't flipping their own cards on ebay, their cards are all disgustingly expensive even through retail channels. MSI 10GB RTX 3080 gaming is $1200 and suprim is $1300 in the US, and that's before sales tax. MSI cards cost hundreds more than anyone aside from zotac, which is somehow worse than MSI. 
 
and second, these prices are from european countries with stupid high import and sales taxes (VAT). german VAT is 19% and is already in the price of the card, where as in the US, canada and many other countries, they advertised price does not include the sales tax. 

I was going to go out and buy a msi 3070 ti today because I almost couldn't hold out for a 3080ti.

I would much rather a evga card than msi..

With a 3090ti coming I may try to get on that queue when that opens.

This might not be a KP GPU but it still looks sweet. 
 
Z690 DARK (KP)

It will be interesting to see when the 3090 Ti sees the light of day, much less when the KPE comes out.  With the rumors that Nvidia asked AIB partners to pause production, makes me wonder when they'll actually come out, and if the issues are bad enough, if they'll just scrap the 3090 Ti with 40-series coming later this year.

Reading some preliminary "rumours" of 40xx series (who knows for sure right but 2x as fast as current line up, 5nm and up to 18K cuda cores).... if your already sitting on a 30xx series of any kind wouldnt make any sense at all to spend that kind of money on a 3090Ti let alone a kp....not at this point....but there are always those looking for another 500 pts in PR ;)
 
The small spread already between 3080Ti and 3090 kp should be enough for "common sense" to kick in.....for most lol
Then again do we really have to have 12900k n DDR5 .....enthusiasts decisions

Looking a little less that'll 3090 Ti will see the light of day, at least in mass quantities....
 
"NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti not just halted, but 'delayed indefinitely'"
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/84376/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-ti-not-just-halted-but-delayed-indefinitely/index.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_campaign=newsletter
 
Source 1: "Nobody is talking about the 3090 Ti to this day. Zero launch planning discussions are going on. It's a card for world records, & may not even launch in some regions".
Source 2: "Whenever it comes out, this card is like a Porsche 918. You don't just find one at every dealership. It's a Show Card most stores won't be able to get".
Source 3: "I (OEM) have no updates, NVIDIA isn't communicating. Delays happen, but this one is unusual how quiet it is, and with it happening after the announcement".
Read more: https://www.tweaktown.com...tm_campaign=newsletter

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Looking a little less that'll 3090 Ti will see the light of day, at least in mass quantities....
 
"NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti not just halted, but 'delayed indefinitely'"
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/84376/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-ti-not-just-halted-but-delayed-indefinitely/index.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_campaign=newsletter
 
Source 1: "Nobody is talking about the 3090 Ti to this day. Zero launch planning discussions are going on. It's a card for world records, & may not even launch in some regions".
Source 2: "Whenever it comes out, this card is like a Porsche 918. You don't just find one at every dealership. It's a Show Card most stores won't be able to get".
Source 3: "I (OEM) have no updates, NVIDIA isn't communicating. Delays happen, but this one is unusual how quiet it is, and with it happening after the announcement".
Read more: https://www.tweaktown.com...tm_campaign=newsletter

While these sites like to create buzz, we can't forget there's a Chinese New Year and Winter Olympics on going.

I apologize if this has already been answered before - Is it normal to only get 2 fans showing up in X1 Precision for the kingpin hybrid (i.e. are the 3 fans on the radiator considered 1)?