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Hey guys! i'm planning to buy this computer: i7 3770k 3,5ghz (With the gtx 770), but i'm wondering if it's will bottleneck, do i need to overclock it to 4,5ghz? or 3,5ghz is fine? And do i need to change the CPU Cooler? GPU GEFORCE GTX 770 CPU Intel Core i7 3770K 3.5 GHZ Ram Gskill Ripjaws X 8GB 1600 MHZ (4GB x 2) Motherboard Asrock B75 DGS Disque dur Seagate Barracuda 500GB Sata3 Alimentation Tacens Radix 750 Watts 
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Re:i7 3770k (3,5ghz) + Gtx 770 => Bottleneck?
2013/06/02 03:28:04
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No chance at 3.5 you will be fiiiine :)
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Re:i7 3770k (3,5ghz) + Gtx 770 => Bottleneck?
2013/06/02 04:22:24
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Re:i7 3770k (3,5ghz) + Gtx 770 => Bottleneck?
2013/06/02 04:29:00
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The i7 3770K is the flagship model of that generation of processors. It's not going to bottleneck even the highest end GPU's, and a 770 isn't even close to being the fastest GPU out there, so don't worry.
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Re:i7 3770k (3,5ghz) + Gtx 770 => Bottleneck?
2013/06/02 04:29:57
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Yep... you would need a second GTX 770 to see any kind of bottkeneck. Your i7 3770K will do 3.9GHz @ stock with turbo mode and thats all automatic.
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Re:i7 3770k (3,5ghz) + Gtx 770 => Bottleneck?
2013/06/02 10:27:40
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That 3.9 is with single core only.
so somehow a game uses more cores, it goes down to 3.8 and 3.7
In BIOS there should be an option to enable turbo to any frequency you want with all 4 cores enabled.
But as others said i really doubt even 3770K running at 3.5 can bottleneck a single GPU configuraiton.
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Re:i7 3770k (3,5ghz) + Gtx 770 => Bottleneck?
2013/06/02 11:02:04
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That CPU will not be a bottleneck. However, a bit of overclocking will produce even better results if you desire additional performance.
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Re:i7 3770k (3,5ghz) + Gtx 770 => Bottleneck?
2013/06/02 12:13:09
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Don't buy a Prebuilt system, its always better to custom build your own.
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Re:i7 3770k (3,5ghz) + Gtx 770 => Bottleneck?
2013/06/02 12:17:13
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The 4770K just ccame out today. Dont buy a 3770K
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Re:i7 3770k (3,5ghz) + Gtx 770 => Bottleneck?
2013/06/02 12:26:11
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The 4770K just ccame out today. Dont buy a 3770K
To bad they are worse or not any better than the 3770K for gaming. No need to get a 4770K when prices on Ivy Bridge are dropping now.
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Re:i7 3770k (3,5ghz) + Gtx 770 => Bottleneck?
2013/06/02 12:30:13
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Yea I too saw that the Haswell 4770k is not very impressive, save your money and stick to sandy bridge/ivy bridge
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Re:i7 3770k (3,5ghz) + Gtx 770 => Bottleneck?
2013/06/02 12:55:42
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- As mentioned, 3770K is still a very fast and capable processor, and a single GTX770 isn't the best combination out there that would give the CPU a hard time at stock speeds, so don't worry about bottlenecks.
- The concept behind a bottleneck is that something is holding back scaling whether from an upgrade or addition. If you went for a better graphics card and barely got anything out of it, anything from a slow CPU, a low resolution or even a CPU-bound game that doesn't use much graphics can all be culprits. They can all be bottlenecks.
- The age of a component is not about time anymore, it is based on how much slower it is compared to something new, and whether that difference is significant to you or not. In part due to AMD not trying very hard, Intel isn't making their newest generations leaps and bounds ahead of previous, therefore we can say 3770K hasn't aged a bit compared to 4770K and still relatively new.
- Note: The above link clearly shows a resolution bottleneck which isn't high enough for the graphics cards used (which HD7970 is a tad bit slower than GTX770). Had multiple monitors been tested, then the separation between the processors could be seen. Throw in multiple graphics cards, and then you'll see a CPU bottleneck where an overclock is beneficial. But if you don't plan any of that, it puts choosing Intel at all into question...
- Overclocking the CPU is up to you and whether you want to invest extra in better cooling to get it done as it isn't guaranteed and you have to stress test it. We overclock because we can, it is an adventure by itself, not because we have to; otherwise Intel would have sold faster models for an extreme premium if there really were that many of us that would pay for it.
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Re:i7 3770k (3,5ghz) + Gtx 770 => Bottleneck?
2013/06/02 13:17:41
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The 4770K just ccame out today. Dont buy a 3770K
To bad they are worse or not any better than the 3770K for gaming. No need to get a 4770K when prices on Ivy Bridge are dropping now.
Intel doesnt drop prices on older processors so the prices wont be going anywhere and youd be a fool to buy a 3770K over a 4770K today
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Re:i7 3770k (3,5ghz) + Gtx 770 => Bottleneck?
2013/06/03 00:24:16
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i5 4670K is what you should be looking at for gaming. You also want to make sure to have at least 2400MHz RAM.
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Re:i7 3770k (3,5ghz) + Gtx 770 => Bottleneck?
2013/06/03 00:26:30
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RainStryke
i5 4670K is what you should be looking at for gaming. You also want to make sure to have at least 2400MHz RAM.
Does Ram speed really make a difference in gaming? I just use the base 1066 on my system and not had a problem.
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Re:i7 3770k (3,5ghz) + Gtx 770 => Bottleneck?
2013/06/03 00:58:55
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RainStryke
i5 4670K is what you should be looking at for gaming. You also want to make sure to have at least 2400MHz RAM.
Does Ram speed really make a difference in gaming? I just use the base 1066 on my system and not had a problem.
It helps a lot more than people expect. It helps out the CPU a lot. Here is a review on it: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6389/gskill-tridentx-review-2x4gb-at-ddr32666-c111313-165v/4 It depends on the game and it seems 2133MHz CAS9 or 2400MHz CAS11 is the sweet spot for now. I noticed jumps in FPS in a lot of my games going from 1600MHz CAS11 to my current 2400MHz CAS11.
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Re:i7 3770k (3,5ghz) + Gtx 770 => Bottleneck?
2013/06/03 01:51:31
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RainStryke
i5 4670K is what you should be looking at for gaming. You also want to make sure to have at least 2400MHz RAM.
Does Ram speed really make a difference in gaming? I just use the base 1066 on my system and not had a problem.
and what problem were you expecting? lol. its not like you will get a message telling you that if you had faster ram then you would be getting a couple more fps. to me 1600 is good compromise. past that is really almost no gain if playing at 1920 or above and highest graphical settings. and I would just disregard what RainStryke claims. he linked to memory scaling on an IGP not using a dedicated gpu. he is also in a fantasyland thinking he actually noticed jumps in performance going from 1600-2400.
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Re:i7 3770k (3,5ghz) + Gtx 770 => Bottleneck?
2013/06/03 05:09:30
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I'm planning to play games at: 1280 x 720 (720p)
It's why i'm wondering if it's gonna bottleneck?
At 800 x 600 it's will not bottleneck also?
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Re:i7 3770k (3,5ghz) + Gtx 770 => Bottleneck?
2013/06/03 05:24:10
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well i run fine at a 3 year old machine listed in sig at 1920x1200 and all is fine that system will be over kill for that res should look into a 1080p monitor or 1200 if getting the system
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Re:i7 3770k (3,5ghz) + Gtx 770 => Bottleneck?
2013/06/03 05:29:45
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Why i can't get this computer if i'm going to play at 1024 x 728?
I need a resolution at 1080p (1920 x 1080) to play with this computer?
Because i don't like to play at 1080p, i prefer 720p....
And if the resolution is low, the FPS++ goes up
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Re:i7 3770k (3,5ghz) + Gtx 770 => Bottleneck?
2013/06/03 06:16:41
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Don't buy a Prebuilt system, its always better to custom build your own.
Yeah, but some people don't know how to do this or aren't brave enough to attempt it and prefer a prebuilt with a warranty on the entire rig. Now that's not saying I don't vastly prefer custom builds and also that's not saying that to you or I, building a computer isn't a relatively easy project, but to some people, they don't have the time and/or bravery to invest in a custom build, nor the knowhow to troubleshoot this rig if it doesn't work once all the parts are in place. ....but yes, if you know how and are moderately tech savvy, building yourself is the way to go. However, you can get SOME prebuilds that are very good values compared to self building assuming you are a legitimate mainstream OS user.
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Re:i7 3770k (3,5ghz) + Gtx 770 => Bottleneck?
2013/06/03 06:20:39
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anyome
I'm planning to play games at: 1280 x 720 (720p)
It's why i'm wondering if it's gonna bottleneck?
At 800 x 600 it's will not bottleneck also?
Edited for correction: You have too nice of a gaming rig to game @ 800x600 resolution and you should be able to do that with ease.
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Re:i7 3770k (3,5ghz) + Gtx 770 => Bottleneck?
2013/06/03 06:25:06
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So, i can't play at 720p with that computer without bottleneck?
Do i need to upgrade my monitor first? before upgrading my computer...
Because my monitor is: 1024 x 728....
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Re:i7 3770k (3,5ghz) + Gtx 770 => Bottleneck?
2013/06/03 06:50:16
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anyome
So, i can't play at 720p with that computer without bottleneck?
Do i need to upgrade my monitor first? before upgrading my computer...
Because my monitor is: 1024 x 728....
You CAN play with that monitor, you WILL NOT be bottlenecked at that resolution in most cases.
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Re:i7 3770k (3,5ghz) + Gtx 770 => Bottleneck?
2013/06/03 07:03:33
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A computer with that set up will be able to run high fps at 1920x1080 depending on the game. If you're going to buy a computer like that you might as well get a new monitor.
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Re:i7 3770k (3,5ghz) + Gtx 770 => Bottleneck?
2013/06/03 10:14:35
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zenfoldor
anyome
I'm planning to play games at: 1280 x 720 (720p)
It's why i'm wondering if it's gonna bottleneck?
At 800 x 600 it's will not bottleneck also?
If you are only running @ 720p you are not gonna be bottlenecked with a much worse processor and card than that. @ 800x600 it makes me think you may be trolling? That is a terrible gaming resolution!!!! An intel celeron and a GTX 260 probably wouldn't bottleneck last light at that resolution.
that makes no sense. lowering the resolution does not mean you can uses a weaker cpu. in fact the lower the res the less load the gpu has so it will be the cpu that will quickly become the limitation. not to mention that any dual core much less a Pentium is a massive limitation in general for a game like Last Light. OP, get a MODERN monitor. its stupid to be building a higher end pc for gaming when you frickin screen is 1280x720 or 1024x768.
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Re:i7 3770k (3,5ghz) + Gtx 770 => Bottleneck?
2013/06/03 10:33:55
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anyome
I'm planning to play games at: 1280 x 720 (720p)
It's why i'm wondering if it's gonna bottleneck?
At 800 x 600 it's will not bottleneck also?
If you are only running @ 720p you are not gonna be bottlenecked with a much worse processor and card than that. @ 800x600 it makes me think you may be trolling? That is a terrible gaming resolution!!!! An intel celeron and a GTX 260 probably wouldn't bottleneck last light at that resolution.
that makes no sense. lowering the resolution does not mean you can uses a weaker cpu. in fact the lower the res the less load the gpu has so it will be the cpu that will quickly become the limitation. not to mention that any dual core much less a Pentium is a massive limitation in general for a game like Last Light.
OP, get a MODERN monitor. its stupid to be building a higher end pc for gaming when you frickin screen is 1280x720 or 1024x768.
Sorry, my ATTEMPTED assertion was that he would not need to run an I7 3770k to game in 800x600 resolution on most games. I wasn't intentionally commenting on CPU vs GPU scaling, but rather the fact that he should have a lot of headroom on all of his components because of the antiquated nature of this resolution. I do see how extrapolating this to general resolution gpu/cpu scaling could be misleading. I should have said that "You have too nice of a computer to game in 800x600 unless absolutely necessary." I have edited this for correction. Also, upon rereading my comments, yeah, I wrote 720p and was wrong. My intention when writing that post was to show that he could still game at 800x600 resolutions with a less powerful processor and thus shouldn't be worried that his current processor is inadequate for 800x600(or even 720p) resolution. My apologies for the misleading comments.
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