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Re: evga acx cooler defect? eteknix.com thinks so. 2014/09/24 23:41:18 (permalink)
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GTX 980 ACX2 is a completely different heatsink design, in fact 970 FTW ACX2 is a different design as well. The 3 heatpipe design is only used on 970 SC and 970 SSC ACX1/2. Here is a picture of the contact side of the GTX 970 FTW card:
 



that's exactly what I was looking for the whole week. for me it seems to be the only acceptable solution for the GTX 970.
thanks for posting this Jacob, the only GTX 970 FTW review out there doesn't mention anything about the cooler - sad.
 
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I don't think any EVGA card in this series will have semi passive cooling, that's pity though.
 
 
my personal conclusion from all this discussion is, if can't get a GTX 970 FTW for a reasonable (for me) price then I'm going an non-EVGA way this round. 
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Re: evga acx cooler defect? eteknix.com thinks so. 2014/09/25 00:43:01 (permalink)
I think about that...
Because Jacob repeat that, some model and GTX970 FTW ACX 2.0 will came later same as GTX980 FTW ACX 2.0
Probably the planned to improve cooler for higher overclocked and more expensive cards...Who knows, maybe even Backplate came.
This version of ACX 2.0 cooler on most interesting card have best possible heatsink EVGA GTX970 FTW ACX 2.0 (04G-P4-2978) 
 

 
on my H100 or H100i is not better than that.
It would be good if EVGA send backplate together with packages if someone buy on ther site example.
And if someone buy 2-3 cards, because backplate need only on top, such customers to get 1 Backplate at least.
Near graphic card package, not inside.
 
 
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Re: evga acx cooler defect? eteknix.com thinks so. 2014/09/25 01:09:03 (permalink)
that's the dream Vlada011, EVGA GTX970 FTW ACX2.0 (updated low noise bios) + backplate + 5 year warranty = extrememly happy customer
 
but wait a minute, you don't plan to exchange your EVGA GTX780Ti K|NGP|N Classified do you? 
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Re: evga acx cooler defect? eteknix.com thinks so. 2014/09/25 01:20:50 (permalink)
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I don't think any EVGA card in this series will have semi passive cooling, that's pity though.
 
my personal conclusion from all this discussion is, if can't get a GTX 970 FTW for a reasonable (for me) price then I'm going an non-EVGA way this round. 




semi-passive not, but how about just spinning one fan @ 20% or so? That would be better than semi-passive and probably mean no noticeable increase in noise. It would be great if EVGA could tell us some details for the new BIOS and Coolers soon, before people have gone for other brands. I am willing to wait for a silent EVGA card, if EVGA would come out and say they are making one.
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Re: evga acx cooler defect? eteknix.com thinks so. 2014/09/25 01:27:36 (permalink)
we are on the same rescue boat but it's up to EVGA to rescue us or let us swim away. 

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Re: evga acx cooler defect? eteknix.com thinks so. 2014/09/25 04:31:34 (permalink)
EVGA rep has been discussing these issues over on the Overclockers UK forum
 
''About the fan: the fan is running the card with 1350+MHz with +/- 71 degree, still some way to the temp target and this is with auto fan settings and the applied thermal paste. I have managed arround 66 with custom fanprofile that was at the end not more rpm then with auto and still the applied TIM. Dont see where this number are not ok.
About the PWM Design: The 4 phases we use can deliver more power to the GPU then this can ever take even with overclocking! We did also take a look into using more phases but the 970 controller is a 5 Phase one, if you do use more phases you will need to run doubler. This do have advantages and disadvantages. We have not seen that the advantages are that big that there is a need for this. 1350MHz+ do also not sound like a bad overclock to me  
About plastic or metall: We do try to hit reasonable price points for our cards and at this point metall will not help with the performance to have an advantage compare to the extra cost.
About the LEDs and better power management: We do use this for our SSC and FTW models and you can also increase voltage on those models with Precision due to this.''
 
This is from Dominik, the EVGA rep who posts over in that forum. For anyone who doesn't know OCUK is a British e-tailer, run by guys who love their pc parts and they also have a very active discussion forum.
 
Sorry, still not able to post URLs.
post edited by barnsleykeith - 2014/09/25 05:20:54
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Re: evga acx cooler defect? eteknix.com thinks so. 2014/09/25 06:25:28 (permalink)

Thanks for the picture JacobF
Is it possible to post a picture of the contact side of the GTX 980 ACX 2.0 (03G-P4-3788-KR)



980 ACX2
 

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Re: evga acx cooler defect? eteknix.com thinks so. 2014/09/25 06:41:49 (permalink)
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Thanks for the picture JacobF
Is it possible to post a picture of the contact side of the GTX 980 ACX 2.0 (03G-P4-3788-KR)



980 ACX2
 





Hi Jacob,
 
so just to confirm... no EVGA 980 will be using the 3 pipe style heatsink found in 970 SC & SSC?
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Re: evga acx cooler defect? eteknix.com thinks so. 2014/09/25 06:43:50 (permalink)
^seriously? go to page 6...his answer is right there.
 
"GTX 980 ACX2 is a completely different heatsink design, in fact 970 FTW ACX2 is a different design as well. The 3 heatpipe design is only used on 970 SC and 970 SSC ACX1/2. Here is a picture of the contact side of the GTX 970 FTW card"

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Re: evga acx cooler defect? eteknix.com thinks so. 2014/09/25 06:47:36 (permalink)
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 The 3 heatpipe design is only used on 970 SC and 970 SSC ACX1/2.


I understand this but he might be referring to only this 2 970 will be using the 3 heatpipe design. Some other 980 might still be using it?


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Re: evga acx cooler defect? eteknix.com thinks so. 2014/09/25 07:33:39 (permalink)
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EVGA rep has been discussing these issues over on the Overclockers UK forum
 
''About the fan: the fan is running the card with 1350+MHz with +/- 71 degree, still some way to the temp target and this is with auto fan settings and the applied thermal paste. I have managed arround 66 with custom fanprofile that was at the end not more rpm then with auto and still the applied TIM. Dont see where this number are not ok.
About the PWM Design: The 4 phases we use can deliver more power to the GPU then this can ever take even with overclocking! We did also take a look into using more phases but the 970 controller is a 5 Phase one, if you do use more phases you will need to run doubler. This do have advantages and disadvantages. We have not seen that the advantages are that big that there is a need for this. 1350MHz+ do also not sound like a bad overclock to me  
About plastic or metall: We do try to hit reasonable price points for our cards and at this point metall will not help with the performance to have an advantage compare to the extra cost.
About the LEDs and better power management: We do use this for our SSC and FTW models and you can also increase voltage on those models with Precision due to this.''
 
This is from Dominik, the EVGA rep who posts over in that forum. For anyone who doesn't know OCUK is a British e-tailer, run by guys who love their pc parts and they also have a very active discussion forum.
 
Sorry, still not able to post URLs.


so the ssc and FTW 970 will have leds that light up? I talked to a rep and he said the same thing over the phone, but jacob is saying non of the 970s will have leds? 
Jacob any clarification?

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Re: evga acx cooler defect? eteknix.com thinks so. 2014/09/25 09:05:49 (permalink)
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Thanks for the picture JacobF
Is it possible to post a picture of the contact side of the GTX 980 ACX 2.0 (03G-P4-3788-KR)



980 ACX2
 



Thank you. Now if you could tell us more about the coming BIOS changes, so that the cards run a little quiter...
post edited by seahawkgfx - 2014/09/25 09:11:55
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Re: evga acx cooler defect? eteknix.com thinks so. 2014/09/25 10:00:22 (permalink)
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Thanks for the picture JacobF
Is it possible to post a picture of the contact side of the GTX 980 ACX 2.0 (03G-P4-3788-KR)



980 ACX2
 



Thank you. Now if you could tell us more about the coming BIOS changes, so that the cards run a little quiter...


Is there anything to say? The fans will spin slower, reducing noise but also raising temperature
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Re: evga acx cooler defect? eteknix.com thinks so. 2014/09/25 10:25:01 (permalink)
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Hey Jacob, your Official Statement said that y'all meant to design the ACX cooler with only 2 heat pipes touching???  so was that not true?  were we right?  please, just tell the truth next time; besides, it always comes out....always.
 
 




A pure example of ignorance and hateful, unproductive bashing. If you have taken the time (out of self-respect) to read the whole thread, you would have seen that there are 2 types of ACX 2.0 heatsinks: the ones for stock and SC versions and the one for FTW version (talking about 970). 
 
Also by reading the reviews that are already available for 970 SC, and also owner inputs from this forum, you would have seen that the temperatures are low enough to grant a significant GPU Boost when needed. So the ACX 2.0 is doing its job fine.
 
Before accusing someone of lying first try to get your facts strait.




I wasn't bashing nor am I hateful.  sometimes, it's really hard to accept the truth.  Regarding the Official Statement, EVGA knows they rubbed some stank on it!  Made it all flashy n stuff...  With my many years of working in politics, I can spot spin rather easily.  so, if EVGA meant to have one type of cooler, then there would be no need for 2.0, yeah? 
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Re: evga acx cooler defect? eteknix.com thinks so. 2014/09/25 10:41:06 (permalink)
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so the ssc and FTW 970 will have leds that light up? I talked to a rep and he said the same thing over the phone, but jacob is saying non of the 970s will have leds? 
Jacob any clarification?




I was told that all of the ACX 2.0 coolers have leds that light up on the side.
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Re: evga acx cooler defect? eteknix.com thinks so. 2014/09/25 12:12:23 (permalink)
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that's the dream Vlada011, EVGA GTX970 FTW ACX2.0 (updated low noise bios) + backplate + 5 year warranty = extrememly happy customer
 
but wait a minute, you don't plan to exchange your EVGA GTX780Ti K|NGP|N Classified do you? 



NO, I love premium hard core models... Special because I don't OC and my card give little higher result than other samples on fabric clock.
For me that's more important than 10 benchmarks on 1400MHz.
To be honest In one moment I thought about 2xGTX970 SC ACX 2.0 but I love single cards and used on them.
Only because SLI. Everything else is nice, money, performance, plus I would go on two little waterblock for GTX970.
SLI with waterblocks give nicest look in PC. But I will try GM210 Classified because I like that Dynamic Super Sampling Resolution and DX12 support.
Special because If I buy later at the end of 2015 monitor, some cheaper version of 4K maybe even I can play on 2560X1440 and with Dynamic Super Sampling picture will look much better. And one thing Is very important, for people who think to stay longer on cheaper cards. Customers still play on GTX670 SLI example but GTX970  give much higher performance than GTX670 before 2 years. That mean 2XGTX970 worth investment in some nice waterblocks, XSPC or EK,...
 
 
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Re: evga acx cooler defect? eteknix.com thinks so. 2014/09/25 19:54:20 (permalink)
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Is it possible to post a picture of the contact side of the GTX 980 ACX 2.0 (03G-P4-3788-KR) (04G-P4-2981-KR)

Thank you very much JacobF for taking the time to answer my request
 




post edited by qlaval - 2014/09/25 20:08:54
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Re: evga acx cooler defect? eteknix.com thinks so. 2014/09/25 20:34:15 (permalink)
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EVGA rep has been discussing these issues over on the Overclockers UK forum
 
''About the fan: the fan is running the card with 1350+MHz with +/- 71 degree, still some way to the temp target and this is with auto fan settings and the applied thermal paste. I have managed arround 66 with custom fanprofile that was at the end not more rpm then with auto and still the applied TIM. Dont see where this number are not ok.
About the PWM Design: The 4 phases we use can deliver more power to the GPU then this can ever take even with overclocking! We did also take a look into using more phases but the 970 controller is a 5 Phase one, if you do use more phases you will need to run doubler. This do have advantages and disadvantages. We have not seen that the advantages are that big that there is a need for this. 1350MHz+ do also not sound like a bad overclock to me  
About plastic or metall: We do try to hit reasonable price points for our cards and at this point metall will not help with the performance to have an advantage compare to the extra cost.
About the LEDs and better power management: We do use this for our SSC and FTW models and you can also increase voltage on those models with Precision due to this.''
 
This is from Dominik, the EVGA rep who posts over in that forum. For anyone who doesn't know OCUK is a British e-tailer, run by guys who love their pc parts and they also have a very active discussion forum.
 
Sorry, still not able to post URLs.




He's addressing a lot of things there but on the cooler end I think he missed the point. It cools well enough, not fantastic but reasonably, the problem is it makes so much more noise doing it. If it made less noise and ran the same temps it would be good. If it ran the same noise but with 10c lower temps it would be good. But those temps and that noise together are uncommonly bad.
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Re: evga acx cooler defect? eteknix.com thinks so. 2014/09/26 00:00:58 (permalink)
EDIT: Ok, holy freaking crap! ABOUT FACE!!! I'm just going to delete that whole mess I posted before. I somehow completely overlooked the earlier posts from Jacob showing the contact side of the 970 FTW. My deepest apologies for this misunderstanding. Ok, I'm definitely back on board with waiting for a 970 FTW then... whew!! HUGE sigh of relief there I gotta tell ya. I was NOT looking forward to buying another brand. So happy I can stick with EVGA. I suppose they just had shelves full of old parts and wanted to use them up so they decided to put them on the 970 SC / SSC models, lol... SOOO worth the extra $20-40 for the better ACX 2.0 and better designed contact surface, etc. 
 
... Now to go set these guys straight on Newegg, lol.
 
Although, I would still like to hear a bit more on how / if ACX 2.0 improves at all on the "Coil whine" issues I've been reading about. >.<
 
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Re: evga acx cooler defect? eteknix.com thinks so. 2014/09/26 01:05:50 (permalink)
I've returned both 970 ACX cards back to amazon and ordered 2x 970 Strix cards. Hopefully they'll ship them as soon as they have them in stock...Still haven't even started building my new X99 system even though everything is here.

 
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Re: evga acx cooler defect? eteknix.com thinks so. 2014/09/26 01:53:42 (permalink)
well, it seems soon EVGA will have a quite high stock of customer returned cards. 

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Re: evga acx cooler defect? eteknix.com thinks so. 2014/09/26 10:46:50 (permalink)
It'd be nice if EVGA lets us switch to the FTW cooler for those who have normal/sc versions.
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Re: evga acx cooler defect? eteknix.com thinks so. 2014/09/26 17:43:56 (permalink)
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it's all about the placement and thus the design of the cooler.
here is the solution from Asus, now can someone tell me 1 single reason why EVGA shouldn't do it as well?!
it's not the GPU being too small it's just the pipes placed not good enough to cover the whole GPU.
 

 

 
 
I must say, that Asus cooler is really well done




especially since the asus looks like mostly copper, I dunno why evga keeps sticking to standard aluminum heatsinks throughout most of the card.

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Re: evga acx cooler defect? eteknix.com thinks so. 2014/09/26 18:56:39 (permalink)
FTW looks nice. I can't find one anywhere though..
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Re: evga acx cooler defect? eteknix.com thinks so. 2014/09/26 22:00:23 (permalink)
My SC GTX 970 ACX 1.0 is the first EVGA card I've ever owned and I am very impressed with it so far. I used to only buy AMD, due to price, but there was no way I was passing up this performance at 349!! I upgraded from a XFX 7970 ghz edition and I can tell you the difference is night and day! The 7970's coil whine was so bad, you could hear it over my h80i in performance mode!! Anyway, I was lucky to get a card without the coil whine and I really don't think the heat pipe placement is that big of a deal. I played BF4 for about 4 hours straight last night and not once did my 970 temp go over 69C. That's not too bad considering this card comes overclocked from the facory. I can probably get lower temps if I change my H80i to a push configuration instead of a pull configuration. I think the VRM's and power phase might turn off some people and that's completely understandable, but I think most of us will upgrade by the time we see side effects of using those lower quality components. As for fan noise, I really don't hear them due to the fact that I play games with my h80i set at balanced mode. The h80i is the loudest component in my pc case. I could, however, slightly hear my 7970 fans while gaming and for sure could hear the coil whine! Guess what I'm trying to say is, is that if you already ordered this card, just give it a chance before writing it off.
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