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X58 FTW3 memory issue when using a Xeon processor solution.

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2022/05/30 06:04:04 (permalink)
I'm posting this in the hope someone else won't suffer the torment I did. Apparently the differences in Xeon processor architecture can cause a change in the memory dimm slot order on the X58 FTW3 board. I have the max memory installed however I started with 8 gigs (two 4g dimms) in slots one and two which detected and ran just fine, however when I added four more to the remaining 4 dimm slots windows only recognized the first 8g not slots 3 4 5 or 6. I even called tech support and got no help there as it was an old board. Interestingly enough whilst searching for a replacement motherboard to use what I had put together I found a post of someone else w the exact same issue. Soultion- he swapped his 4 dimms to slots 3 4 5 and 6. now I had all 6 populated and it only saw the first 8 but I tried anyway w an extra twist. I started w dimm slots 1 and 2, then swapped the dimms from slots 1 and 2 to 3 and 4 and added 2 more dimms in slots 5 and 6, each time booting the machine to let bios and windows see what had been done and see if it had any affect for myself, it did. I then added the final sticks in the 1 and 2 slots and it worked I had all 24g showing up and working in windows. it definitely mad a difference too so it is working. 
 
 BTW to fully test I ran Fallout 4 in ultra settings which I could not do before without death lag in a firefight and it's faster than it was even in a modified high setting before.
 
Currently I'm running a Xeon 5650 w 24g ram and a discrete Nvidia Geforce 1030 and no overclocking. 
post edited by MadmanMac - 2022/06/02 10:30:32
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    Re: X58 FTW3 memory issue when using a Zeon processor solution. 2022/06/01 00:54:56 (permalink)
    Thanks for this info

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    Re: X58 FTW3 memory issue when using a Zeon processor solution. 2022/06/01 01:50:03 (permalink)
    Might want to sticky this or something. I've noticed a lot of people seem to be grabbing up these old x58s due to the plethora of cheap zeons available and their ability to easily handle the much higher temps involved w overclocking. discounting the lack of a few additional instruction sets an OCd Zeon can give the high end I class processors a run for their money. not to mention their ability to handle more ram.
       I'm pretty sure the mem issue is due to this processor being a refurb, something may have been done to deal w some issue under the chip. I may have to compare this one to it's brother I purchased to test if it was a defunct processor. 
     
    Now that I have 2 of them I'm practically jonesing for one of the SR2s or an equivalent...Unfortunately I'm looking for a new place to park myself while I rebuild my trailer into a tinyhome. Materials cost just went through the roof and my current rental costs kill me being able to spend more than I had planned for. I had just got all my solar and power conversion equip together too. Uggh.
     
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    Re: X58 FTW3 memory issue when using a Zeon processor solution. 2022/06/02 00:14:27 (permalink)
    Normally I would consider making this a sticky but due to the age of the processor and motherboard I suspect there are not that many people using it. However I will tag it as an FAQ. 

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    Re: X58 FTW3 memory issue when using a Zeon processor solution. 2022/06/02 06:10:35 (permalink)
    Works for me. I like to help. I figure at least a few will run into the same issue and not have my perseverance or penchant for finding the needle in the haystack. Even if I find it by sitting on it...LMAO
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    Re: X58 FTW3 memory issue when using a Zeon processor solution. 2022/06/02 07:12:06 (permalink)
    also would help if you spell the CPU name correctly.
    It Xeon, not Zeon. If someone else has similar issue, they might search the forum for Xeon, and they will never find this post.
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    Re: X58 FTW3 memory issue when using a Zeon processor solution. 2022/06/02 07:46:26 (permalink)
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    also would help if you spell the CPU name correctly.
    It Xeon, not Zeon. If someone else has similar issue, they might search the forum for Xeon, and they will never find this post.


    I corrected the spelling

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    Re: X58 FTW3 memory issue when using a Zeon processor solution. 2022/06/02 10:29:25 (permalink)
    nekrosoft13
    also would help if you spell the CPU name correctly.
    It Xeon, not Zeon. If someone else has similar issue, they might search the forum for Xeon, and they will never find this post.




    Oops must have been due to me writing that B4 the coffee kicked in. I'm shocked I missed that, Ususally I proofread 5 or 6 times B4 I hit post as I never get it quite how I wanted it to look the first time. Interestingly enough I think I remember something in the bios saying the ram was almost at 1600. Not too concerned till I get the liquid cooling system setup for overclocking. I'm going to run the radiator UNDER the tinyhome I'm building this old RV into as it serves 2 purposes, 1) it won't radiate the heat into the cabin in the summer and 2) in the winter it will provide a little heat underneath so the pipes are kept from freezing longer without my aux heater I have underneath needing to turn on. Granted it means I will have to clean it regularly but I built an access door into the skirt.
     
    I fixed it BTW
    post edited by MadmanMac - 2022/06/02 10:31:53
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    Re: X58 FTW3 memory issue when using a Xeon processor solution. 2022/07/07 20:52:19 (permalink)
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    I'm posting this in the hope someone else won't suffer the torment I did. Apparently the differences in Xeon processor architecture can cause a change in the memory dimm slot order on the X58 FTW3 board. I have the max memory installed however I started with 8 gigs (two 4g dimms) in slots one and two which detected and ran just fine, however when I added four more to the remaining 4 dimm slots windows only recognized the first 8g not slots 3 4 5 or 6. I even called tech support and got no help there as it was an old board. Interestingly enough whilst searching for a replacement motherboard to use what I had put together I found a post of someone else w the exact same issue. Soultion- he swapped his 4 dimms to slots 3 4 5 and 6. now I had all 6 populated and it only saw the first 8 but I tried anyway w an extra twist. I started w dimm slots 1 and 2, then swapped the dimms from slots 1 and 2 to 3 and 4 and added 2 more dimms in slots 5 and 6, each time booting the machine to let bios and windows see what had been done and see if it had any affect for myself, it did. I then added the final sticks in the 1 and 2 slots and it worked I had all 24g showing up and working in windows. it definitely mad a difference too so it is working. 
     
     BTW to fully test I ran Fallout 4 in ultra settings which I could not do before without death lag in a firefight and it's faster than it was even in a modified high setting before.
     
    Currently I'm running a Xeon 5650 w 24g ram and a discrete Nvidia Geforce 1030 and no overclocking. 



    Ohhh, long time, I don't enter this forum. I know that is a bit late but this happened to me around 2010 when I purchased my X58 SLI Micro, but in my case, the problem was that the pressure of the heatsink was bedding the board a little causing the memory to detect less and the solution was to release the pressure over the processor socket.
    But there is one thing I didn't understand in your post. You said that you have the Max Memory Installed. Did you refer to the number of memory modules right? I still use my X58 SLI Micro and I have 48Gb Ram working just fine for more than six years now.

    Xeon-X5680 @3.33 - (Modded) Evga X58 SLI Micro - 6x8gb Gskill (48Gb)
    Modded Firmware - E75687X
    *Update Release Message "Release Number IX58S887 (Modded)"
    *Enabled FDC, Serial and Parallel Interfaces/Ports in Advanced Chipset Menu (just show)
    *Updated Realtek GBE Microcode v2.69
    *Updates CPU Microcode (Spectre Patches - 0x1F 000206c2, 0x1D 000206c1)
    *CPU Microcode (removed useless CPUs)
    *Updated Intel RST v11.2.0.1527 with TRIM support for SSDs in RAID0
    *Updated JMicron363 RAID v1.08.01
    *Enabled Hidden Features of BIOS (just show)
    *Enabled VT-d Support
    Updated ID CPUID:
    SLOT1 06 000206C1
    SLOT1 13 000106A4
    SLOT1 1F 000206C2
    SLOT1 1D 000106A5
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    Re: X58 FTW3 memory issue when using a Xeon processor solution. 2022/07/08 20:27:45 (permalink)
    That comment was in regards to no updates to the user manual/specs stated by EVGA.  I had no idea you could put 8gb dimms in the machine and it recognize them. The manual says max 4gb dimms so that was the info I was running off of, or in other words GIGO. Garbage in Garbage out. Machine still running great BTW.
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    Re: X58 FTW3 memory issue when using a Xeon processor solution. 2022/07/08 23:47:20 (permalink)
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    That comment was in regards to no updates to the user manual/specs stated by EVGA.  I had no idea you could put 8gb dimms in the machine and it recognize them. The manual says max 4gb dimms so that was the info I was running off of, or in other words GIGO. Garbage in Garbage out. Machine still running great BTW.


    Even intel listed that as the max memory for the processor at the time because there were no memory modules of a larger capacity.
    I've never heard of the processor changing the order of the memory slots. I have seen where bad socket contacts can cause issues with recognizing memory correctly.
    post edited by HeavyHemi - 2022/07/08 23:48:43

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    Re: X58 FTW3 memory issue when using a Xeon processor solution. 2022/07/09 08:59:26 (permalink)
    MadmanMac
    That comment was in regards to no updates to the user manual/specs stated by EVGA.  I had no idea you could put 8gb dimms in the machine and it recognize them. The manual says max 4gb dimms so that was the info I was running off of, or in other words GIGO. Garbage in Garbage out. Machine still running great BTW.


     
    Yeah ... I suspected that you weren't aware of this (because of the way you said it), so at least I let you know that is possible.  :)

    I believe the limitation in manuals is just from the time it was created, and the retail market (desktop memories) didn't have more than 24Gb available in that time (retail desktop memory). Even Intel documentation is not sure about the maximum. 
    For example, the i7 980X Extreme Edition, in theory, could only handle 24Gb but they put a question mark saying: "max memory size (dependent on memory type)". For the Xeon X5680 the maximum memory size is 288Gb.
    In my mind, if the maximum processor that the board X58 can handle is a processor that can address 288Gb Ram, so the board in theory can handle it too. 
    My X58 is running so great too, I love it. I have plans to put more amount of memory into it. I will see. 
    About Evga, they don't care about people using old products so they stopped Bios updates. It's up to us to become connected to see what's new and update our Bioses accordingly to what is possible. There are many unofficial BIOS updates out there.
    The X58 is capable of much more!
     
     
     
    post edited by willismar - 2022/07/09 09:00:38

    Xeon-X5680 @3.33 - (Modded) Evga X58 SLI Micro - 6x8gb Gskill (48Gb)
    Modded Firmware - E75687X
    *Update Release Message "Release Number IX58S887 (Modded)"
    *Enabled FDC, Serial and Parallel Interfaces/Ports in Advanced Chipset Menu (just show)
    *Updated Realtek GBE Microcode v2.69
    *Updates CPU Microcode (Spectre Patches - 0x1F 000206c2, 0x1D 000206c1)
    *CPU Microcode (removed useless CPUs)
    *Updated Intel RST v11.2.0.1527 with TRIM support for SSDs in RAID0
    *Updated JMicron363 RAID v1.08.01
    *Enabled Hidden Features of BIOS (just show)
    *Enabled VT-d Support
    Updated ID CPUID:
    SLOT1 06 000206C1
    SLOT1 13 000106A4
    SLOT1 1F 000206C2
    SLOT1 1D 000106A5
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    Re: X58 FTW3 memory issue when using a Xeon processor solution. 2022/07/12 12:35:06 (permalink)
    Actually I was made aware of it a few months ago by a friend who is literally a BOFH even if he wont admit it. A mad skillset doesn't even describe him. Me, I know a little bit about a lot of subjects and a lot about 9 or 10 subjects. It makes it easier for researching things but a PITA on execution occasionally as I have to read a lot more to get the gist of some things I either wasn't aware of or never needed previously.
     
    The bios bit is interesting however this machine will be purely a gaming rig soon enough as I have 3 other possible machines including an I5 that is languishing in a corner somewhere. I HATE moving. now I will have to reorganize everything so I know where it all is again.
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    Re: X58 FTW3 memory issue when using a Xeon processor solution. 2022/08/07 09:16:21 (permalink)
    Wowsers.   I have an X58 SLI also (132-BL-E758)  I'm not sure, but I believe it was mb version 1.0....not sure now. I built this rig probably 14 years ago and with a mod now and then have really forgotten most of where to go to do things.   Nice to see others are happy with theirs!   
     
    So seems to be moving along well for my needs.
     
    I was looking at windows 11 and said it wasn't compatible due to cpu.  Oh well, guess I'll lose sleep over that one :P
     
    Was looking to upgrade my unit.   It looks as thought the Xeon x5640 3.46 Westmere is the top processor available.
    Don't see anything about compatible memory.  So it's DDR1600 8gb up to 48?   Buffered or not, non ecc or regular.  Recommendations on brand?
    What about Bios?  Where do I find compatible updates?
     
    TIA
     
     
     
     
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    Re: X58 FTW3 memory issue when using a Xeon processor solution. 2022/08/10 09:25:46 (permalink)
    There are used x5690s on the zon. really hate to give em advertising but  rotten egg burned me a few times. Im running 24g  teamgroup 1600  from same I could have gone faster but it's about funds I have. Especially since I just had my life upended again and now I cant afford to pay "at" let alone "attention". :P
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