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2015/12/24 06:49:19 (permalink)
Will a GTX 750 Ti work in a PCIe 1.0 slot?
 
I know the spec sheet says "requires PCIe 2.0 slot" but many places say that "all" cards are backward compatible.
 
I want to upgrade two older (about 4-years old but 64-bit compatible with 4GB of RAM) systems with SSDs and Video Cards. My budget will allow a card upgrade (they both have HD 6450 cards) but not new systems (min. $250 ea without discrete graphics card). They have at least 300 watt power supplies.
 
Gaming is online with some games recommending GTX 750 level cards. Chrome in general runs painfully slow on both systems but other applications are sufficiently fast. The games that are played most often are: Archeage, Star Trek Online, Warframe, League of Legends, Neverwinter, and the like.
 
So is it even possible that a GTX 750 Ti will work in PCIe 1.0 slots?
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    Re: Will a GTX 750 Ti work in a PCIe 1.0 slot? 2015/12/24 06:55:05 (permalink)
    You need to detail what cpu and Motherboard you are going to use.

    If the gpu doesn't have a uefi bios option, the 750 isn't going to work anyway, and if it is an old PCI-E 1.0 motherboard, it probably won't work.

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    Re: Will a GTX 750 Ti work in a PCIe 1.0 slot? 2015/12/24 07:01:05 (permalink)
    Yes, but why would you want to do that? Running the card in a 1.0 slot is going to throttle its performance big time. If the motherboard isn't uefi complaint the card most likely isn't going to work anyways like Scarlet-Tech said.

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    Re: Will a GTX 750 Ti work in a PCIe 1.0 slot? 2015/12/24 07:20:07 (permalink)
    PCIe Slots
     
    Not sure how you would put a Graphics Card on a x1 Slot. 
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    Re: Will a GTX 750 Ti work in a PCIe 1.0 slot? 2015/12/24 07:23:11 (permalink)
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    PCIe Slots
     
    Not sure how you would put a Graphics Card on a x1 Slot

    He is talking about a pci-e 1.0 x16 slot which allows up to 4 GB/s @ x16. The x1 you have listed is a regular pcie slot which is limited to 250 MB/s.
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    Re: Will a GTX 750 Ti work in a PCIe 1.0 slot? 2015/12/24 07:31:14 (permalink)
    OK, it sounded more that the OP was talking about the Slot Type not the Speed.
    Graphics Cards for the most part are all x16 Slot Type. 


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    Re: Will a GTX 750 Ti work in a PCIe 1.0 slot? 2015/12/24 08:17:22 (permalink)
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    You need to detail what cpu and Motherboard you are going to use.

    If the gpu doesn't have a uefi bios option, the 750 isn't going to work anyway, and if it is an old PCI-E 1.0 motherboard, it probably won't work.

     
    I don't see why a 750 ti wouldn't work on a non-UEFI bios. I have a couple 900 series on non-UEFI bios and it works just fine.
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    Re: Will a GTX 750 Ti work in a PCIe 1.0 slot? 2015/12/24 08:30:39 (permalink)
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    I don't see why a 750 ti wouldn't work on a non-UEFI bios. I have a couple 900 series on non-UEFI bios and it works just fine.


    What cpu, motherboard combo do you have?
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    Re: Will a GTX 750 Ti work in a PCIe 1.0 slot? 2015/12/24 08:58:15 (permalink)
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    I don't see why a 750 ti wouldn't work on a non-UEFI bios. I have a couple 900 series on non-UEFI bios and it works just fine.


    What cpu, motherboard combo do you have?

    They're OEM boards, one is an early core 2 board I use for testing parts for people, and the other is an oem dell precision t7500 motherboard based on intel 5520 chipset. I have a 960 and a titan X and they've worked fine in both PCs at one time or another. Currently the titan x is in the precision and the 960 is sitting on a desk.
     
    Also- not sure if relevant but since it was mentioned: you can run pretty much any GPU in an x1 slot of any PCI E gen. You can modify the slot so the GPU hangs out the end with a utility knife. At my job we use recycled PCs for our workstations and this was the only way we could achieve 4+ monitors without spending any money. In a PCI-e slot the power is wired first, followed by the lanes, so it essentially just uses 1 lane which works fine, we have even run furmark on it for laughs with no negative effects. Of course a higher end card will perform like garbage on an x1 slot.
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    Re: Will a GTX 750 Ti work in a PCIe 1.0 slot? 2015/12/24 09:01:18 (permalink)
    As long as the bios is up to date and uefi compatible, it will work. If the bios is out of date or non uefi compatible, it will not, as can be seen all over all nvidia (and daughter company) forums.

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    Re: Will a GTX 750 Ti work in a PCIe 1.0 slot? 2015/12/24 09:18:03 (permalink)
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    You need to detail what cpu and Motherboard you are going to use.

    If the gpu doesn't have a uefi bios option, the 750 isn't going to work anyway, and if it is an old PCI-E 1.0 motherboard, it probably won't work.

     
    I don't see why a 750 ti wouldn't work on a non-UEFI bios. I have a couple 900 series on non-UEFI bios and it works just fine.


    If you're running a UEFI video card (700 series and higher) you will usually need a UEFI compliant motherboard for it to work. There are cases where a UEFI video cards (700 series or higher) have worked in older boards. There are also cases where UEFI video cards did not work in older motherboards. It varies from board to board. If you want Guaranteed compatibility it's best to be using a UEFI compliant motherboard along with your UEFI video card.

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    Re: Will a GTX 750 Ti work in a PCIe 1.0 slot? 2015/12/24 11:19:17 (permalink)
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    Will a GTX 750 Ti work in a PCIe 1.0 slot?
     
    I [<font]know the spec sheet says "requires PCIe 2.0 slot" but many places say that "all" cards are backward compatible.
     
    I want to upgrade two older (about 4-years old but 64-bit compatible with 4GB of RAM) systems with SSDs and Video Cards. My budget will allow a card upgrade (they both have HD 6450 cards) but not new systems (min. $250 ea without discrete graphics card). They have at least 300 watt power supplies.
     
    Gaming is online with some games recommending GTX 750 level cards. Chrome in general runs painfully slow on both systems but other applications are sufficiently fast. The games that are played most often are: Archeage, Star Trek Online, Warframe, League of Legends, Neverwinter, and the like.
     
    So is it even possible that a GTX 750 Ti will work in PCIe 1.0 slots?


     
    Welcome to the forum. We need more information on your hardware. If these boards are only 4 years old, it is very unlikely they are PCIe 1.x slots. Those were phased out years ago in late 2007 starting with the X38 boards.
     
     
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    If you're running a UEFI video card (700 series and higher) you will usually need a UEFI compliant motherboard for it to work. There are cases where a UEFI video cards (700 series or higher) have worked in older boards. There are also cases where UEFI video cards did not work in older motherboards. It varies from board to board. If you want Guaranteed compatibility it's best to be using a UEFI compliant motherboard along with your UEFI video card.




    There are thousands of people running GTX 900 series on X58 boards which do not have UEFI BIOS. Pretty much any X58 board from Gigabyte to MSI, will work fine. The most problematic boards are OEM boards in prebuilt systems which usually have a locked down BIOS and are limited in recognizing and allocating resources to third party hardware.
     
     
     
     

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    Re: Will a GTX 750 Ti work in a PCIe 1.0 slot? 2015/12/24 12:13:13 (permalink)
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    There are thousands of people running GTX 900 series on X58 boards which do not have UEFI BIOS. Pretty much any X58 board from Gigabyte to MSI, will work fine. The most problematic boards are OEM boards in prebuilt systems which usually have a locked down BIOS and are limited in recognizing and allocating resources to third party hardware.

    Just because there are thousands of people running 900 series on one chipset (x58) doesn't mean it's the same for all chipsets & boards.

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    Re: Will a GTX 750 Ti work in a PCIe 1.0 slot? 2015/12/24 12:46:47 (permalink)
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    I don't see why a 750 ti wouldn't work on a non-UEFI bios. I have a couple 900 series on non-UEFI bios and it works just fine.


    What cpu, motherboard combo do you have?



    I am running a  Intel quad core Q9650 @ 3.0 Ghz, Motherboard Gigabyte GA-EP45T-UD3LR , DDr3 dual channel memory @ this moment I have a GTX970 running fine.
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    Re: Will a GTX 750 Ti work in a PCIe 1.0 slot? 2015/12/24 14:13:44 (permalink)
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    There are thousands of people running GTX 900 series on X58 boards which do not have UEFI BIOS. Pretty much any X58 board from Gigabyte to MSI, will work fine. The most problematic boards are OEM boards in prebuilt systems which usually have a locked down BIOS and are limited in recognizing and allocating resources to third party hardware.

    Just because there are thousands of people running 900 series on one chipset (x58) doesn't mean it's the same for all chipsets & boards.


    Indeed. And I made that distinction that may not be the case even with the x58. And of course compatibility is better with newer chipsets. UEFI generally isn't the problem. It's the GPU being recognized by the specific model motherboard as pretty much all GPUs have legacy VGA BIOS boot capability.

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    Re: Will a GTX 750 Ti work in a PCIe 1.0 slot? 2015/12/24 15:13:52 (permalink)
    As posted in another thread about the GTX 750 and UEFI Bios most also have a UEFI Motherboard.
    A user asked to have his GTX 750 updated with a UEFI Bois and the Tech stated that once the card is updated with the UEFI Bios it will not work on a non-UEFI motherboard or in Legacy Mode.
    Legacy Graphics is the Key, I have not found any Graphics Card on the Market that is ONLY UEFI.
    I spent most of today looking and ALL come as Legacy Graphics PCIe 3.0 and backwards compatible with PCIe 2.0 All where x16 Slot Cards.
     
    So a GTX 750 with a UEFI Bios would not work on a X58 Motherboard.
     
    HakanaiSeishin You can modify the slot so the GPU hangs out the end with a utility knife.

    I like to see someone do this on new $300 or $400 Motherboard.
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    Re: Will a GTX 750 Ti work in a PCIe 1.0 slot? 2015/12/25 10:57:09 (permalink)
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    So a GTX 750 with a UEFI Bios would not work on a X58 Motherboard.
     

     
    Unless it's some OEM motherboard, i don't see why it wouldn't work on X58.
     
    I have gotten a GTX 780ti and Titan X to work fine on a X58 board from 2010,
    and even on a Socket 775 board from 2008 with n-Force chipset.
     
    Pretty sure a GTX 750 would work fine too if i had one.
     
     


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    Re: Will a GTX 750 Ti work in a PCIe 1.0 slot? 2015/12/25 11:09:26 (permalink)
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    So a GTX 750 with a UEFI Bios would not work on a X58 Motherboard.
     

     
    Unless it's some OEM motherboard, i don't see why it wouldn't work on X58.
     
    I have gotten a GTX 780ti and Titan X to work fine on a X58 board from 2010,
    and even on a Socket 775 board from 2008 with n-Force chipset.
     
    Pretty sure a GTX 750 would work fine too if i had one.


    Once More, did you have EVGA Install the UEFI Bios.
    To do this I believe you have to Send Your Card back to EVGA.
    I am NOT saying that an Out of Box will not work because it will 99.9% of the Time.
     
    Or are you saying that you have a Custom UEFI Bios for the EXGA X58 Motherboard?

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    Re: Will a GTX 750 Ti work in a PCIe 1.0 slot? 2015/12/25 11:19:17 (permalink)
    The UEFI bios on my graphics cards is just the bios they were shipped with.
    Didn't know there was a difference in the stock UEFI bios vs the one Evga can install.


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    Re: Will a GTX 750 Ti work in a PCIe 1.0 slot? 2015/12/25 11:22:37 (permalink)
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    The UEFI bios on my graphics cards is just the bios they were shipped with.
    Didn't know there was a difference in the stock UEFI bios vs the one Evga can install.


    Their is a Thread somewhere on the Forums you can read about it.
    I did not have the time to look for it myself, it was sometime this year.

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    Re: Will a GTX 750 Ti work in a PCIe 1.0 slot? 2016/01/24 18:42:11 (permalink)
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    You need to detail what cpu and Motherboard you are going to use.

    If the gpu doesn't have a uefi bios option, the 750 isn't going to work anyway, and if it is an old PCI-E 1.0 motherboard, it probably won't work.

     
    I don't see why a 750 ti wouldn't work on a non-UEFI bios. I have a couple 900 series on non-UEFI bios and it works just fine.



    If it is of any value to everyone, this UEFI requirement stuff may be a myth. Any number of users report running these late model Nvidia cards on non-UEFI systems. I just tested an EVGA Nvidia Geforce GTX 750 P/N 01G-P4-2751-KR with in a non-UEFI system WITH success. The machine is a Dell Precision T7500 at the latest BIOS level. From the spec sheet, this machine has PCIe V2 slots (not V1, sorry HakanaiSeishin) and it ran just super-fast in the 16X slot compared to a Nvidia Quadro FX 4800.
     
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    Re: Will a GTX 750 Ti work in a PCIe 1.0 slot? 2019/02/10 23:53:22 (permalink)
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    If it is of any value to everyone, this UEFI requirement stuff may be a myth. Any number of users report running these late model Nvidia cards on non-UEFI systems. I just tested an EVGA Nvidia Geforce GTX 750 P/N 01G-P4-2751-KR with in a non-UEFI system WITH success. The machine is a Dell Precision T7500 at the latest BIOS level. From the spec sheet, this machine has PCIe V2 slots (not V1, sorry HakanaiSeishin) and it ran just super-fast in the 16X slot compared to a Nvidia Quadro FX 4800.
     


    Update - the EVGA GTX 750 card failed when installed into a Dell Precision 690; the 690 has PCIe 1.1 architecture. The same card worked like a champ in the Dell Precision T7500 with its PCIe 2.0 slots. I don't believe either computer has a UEFI BIOS.
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    Re: Will a GTX 750 Ti work in a PCIe 1.0 slot? 2019/02/11 06:10:51 (permalink)
    didnt knew about the uefi bios requirement for new VGAs
    i have a GT710 on pcie 1.0 amd 939 motherboard works fine
    as well my x58 with 1060 soon 2070 (if it work)

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