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Re: Will Sandy Bridge Bottleneck 1080 gt X? 2016/06/11 04:24:07 (permalink)
What about SLI?
 
I have a 4790K @ 4.6GHz with 16gb (2x8GB) 2400MHz CL10 RAM and planning on getting GTX 1080 SLI setup. I'm gonna game @ 3440x1440.

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Re: Will Sandy Bridge Bottleneck 1080 gt X? 2016/06/11 04:30:44 (permalink)
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What about SLI?
 
I have a 4790K @ 4.6GHz with 16gb (2x8GB) 2400MHz CL10 RAM and planning on getting GTX 1080 SLI setup. I'm gonna game @ 3440x1440.


I am at 4.7 GHz and have no bottleneck here with GTX-980 SLI. My scores beat out a single GTX-1080 so I am staying put until I see some Volta boards next year.


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Re: Will Sandy Bridge Bottleneck 1080 gt X? 2016/06/11 04:32:43 (permalink)
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What about SLI?
 
I have a 4790K @ 4.6GHz with 16gb (2x8GB) 2400MHz CL10 RAM and planning on getting GTX 1080 SLI setup. I'm gonna game @ 3440x1440.


I am at 4.7 GHz and have no bottleneck here with GTX-980 SLI. My scores beat out a single GTX-1080 so I am staying put until I see some Volta boards next year.




and good luck with those games with poor scaling or no SLI support at all. 

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Re: Will Sandy Bridge Bottleneck 1080 gt X? 2016/06/11 04:41:32 (permalink)
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and good luck with those games with poor scaling or no SLI support at all. 


I'm only playing at 1080p 144 Hz and have no problem with DOOM that doesn't use SLI at all.
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Re: Will Sandy Bridge Bottleneck 1080 gt X? 2016/06/11 12:11:14 (permalink)
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At lower resolutions, 1080p, you will have more of a CPU bottleneck. However, if you game at more demanding resolutions 2560×1440, 3440x1440 (21:9) or 3440x2160 (4k), your bottleneck wont be as bad

 
This makes not since to me, why would a lower resolution cause CPU bottleneck and now an even higher resolution?
It would seem that 3440x2160 (4k) would cause a CPU bottleneck before 1920x1080P would.
 


I cant believe this has to be explained to you. the higher the res the more gpu demanding it becomes and that is just common sense. when you lower the res you take more load off the gpu. if you have fast cpu then when you lower the res the framerate will go up. if your cpu is slow then lowering the res will not make much difference in the framerate. for example there are parts of Crysis 3 where his cpu can only get 45 fps or so because that is all the cpu can do. with a strong gpu he could get that 45 fps at 1440 or even 4k but lowering the res in those spots is not going to help with framerate when the cpu is the limiting factor. also at lower res a game can stutter more with a weaker cpu as the load shifts away from the gpu. 


My Apologies, but thank you.


sorry for sounding so rude. I guess I have been around this stuff for so long that it surprises me when someone says something like you did...


I was under the impression that this Forum was for users to ask question and to get help from others.
 
1) The higher the res the more gpu demanding it becomes and that is just common sense: True and yes most would know this as I do and that is not what I was asking about.
 
(Are you are saying then that the Lower the resolutions is the Higher the CPU Bottleneck will be)
 
This is what I am asking is:
If I run 3440x1440 (21:9) or 3440x2160 (4k) I would have less or no bottleneck from the CPU.
But if I run only 1920x1080p I would have a high bottleneck form the CPU
 
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At lower resolutions, 1080p, you will have more of a CPU bottleneck.  However, if you game at more demanding resolutions 2560×1440, 3440x1440 (21:9) or 3440x2160 (4k), your bottleneck wont be as bad
 
Not all of us are as smart as you are trek554 so please allow us dumber users ask questions or a better description of the question in hand
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Re: Will Sandy Bridge Bottleneck 1080 gt X? 2016/06/11 13:05:05 (permalink)
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and good luck with those games with poor scaling or no SLI support at all. 


I'm only playing at 1080p 144 Hz and have no problem with DOOM that doesn't use SLI at all.


lol and thats the only game you play? how is SLI working out for you in Quantum Break, Batman Arkham Knight, Just Cause 3, Rise of Tomb Raider DX12 and many others? heck Unreal Engine 4 does not even support multi gpus at all. the point is a 1080 is a heck of lot better overall gaming solution than 980 SLI.  

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Re: Will Sandy Bridge Bottleneck 1080 gt X? 2016/06/11 13:14:20 (permalink)
Hello,
 
as many have said I doubt you would encounter a bottleneck do to your 2500k on a single GPU. I would not consider SLI on that cpu however as you will definitely have a bottleneck.
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Re: Will Sandy Bridge Bottleneck 1080 gt X? 2016/06/11 13:23:19 (permalink)
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and good luck with those games with poor scaling or no SLI support at all. 


I'm only playing at 1080p 144 Hz and have no problem with DOOM that doesn't use SLI at all.


lol and thats the only game you play? how is SLI working out for you in Quantum Break, Batman Arkham Knight, Just Cause 3, Rise of Tomb Raider DX12 and many others? heck Unreal Engine 4 does not even support multi gpus at all. the point is a 1080 is a heck of lot better overall gaming solution than 980 SLI.  


To be fair, Quantum Break doesn't work on Nvidia GPUs at all whether it's single or multi GPU setups. Arkham Knight is a POS port and you can still play Tomb Raider in DX11 with SLI support.
 
Also, chill. No need to be so antagonistic.

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Re: Will Sandy Bridge Bottleneck 1080 gt X? 2016/06/11 13:49:36 (permalink)
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and good luck with those games with poor scaling or no SLI support at all. 


I'm only playing at 1080p 144 Hz and have no problem with DOOM that doesn't use SLI at all.


lol and thats the only game you play? how is SLI working out for you in Quantum Break, Batman Arkham Knight, Just Cause 3, Rise of Tomb Raider DX12 and many others? heck Unreal Engine 4 does not even support multi gpus at all. the point is a 1080 is a heck of lot better overall gaming solution than 980 SLI.  


To be fair, Quantum Break doesn't work on Nvidia GPUs at all whether it's single or multi GPU setups. Arkham Knight is a POS port and you can still play Tomb Raider in DX11 with SLI support.
 
Also, chill. No need to be so antagonistic.


Quantum Break works just fine on Nvidia cards. it was only at the initial launch that it had issues and that was on both companies not just Nvidia. and same can be said for Arkham Knight too as it plays fine if you have a proper setup. I am just sick of people acting like SLI gives the same experience as single card as is does not. SLI will always be more trouble and is not even going to work in many games. Tomb Raider DX12 was just an example as most DX12 games dont support SLI either. even big studios are usually not going to waste time working on SLI when it is a small niche. 

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Re: Will Sandy Bridge Bottleneck 1080 gt X? 2016/06/11 13:51:12 (permalink)
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Hello,
 
as many have said I doubt you would encounter a bottleneck do to your 2500k on a single GPU. I would not consider SLI on that cpu however as you will definitely have a bottleneck.


I already gave clear proof that a 2500k can indeed be a large bottleneck for single 1080. 

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Re: Will Sandy Bridge Bottleneck 1080 gt X? 2016/06/11 18:30:36 (permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ_5p9wd2dk
 
Core i5 6600K Skylake Benchmarks vs i5 4690K/ 3770K/ 2500K/ FX-8350 using Titan X.

Best real-time comparison I've found.
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Re: Will Sandy Bridge Bottleneck 1080 gt X? 2016/06/11 20:09:56 (permalink)
Any how  as post two made clear....
And the other point being whether or not the increase in the performance is worth it to the OP. Right now, his 'bottleneck' relatively speaking is his GPU. Replacing that, will give him the largest increase in performance for the majority of games. Then, the CPU will become the 'bootleneck' relatively speaking. At which point the OP will decide if he's not satisfied and cracks open the wallet.
And the cycle repeats...

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Re: Will Sandy Bridge Bottleneck 1080 gt X? 2016/06/11 22:12:39 (permalink)
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Hello,
 
as many have said I doubt you would encounter a bottleneck do to your 2500k on a single GPU. I would not consider SLI on that cpu however as you will definitely have a bottleneck.


I already gave clear proof that a 2500k can indeed be a large bottleneck for single 1080. 


No need to be so harsh about it. With an EVGAtech messaging, it's icing on the cake for the OP that he will fine, even with your explanation.

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Re: Will Sandy Bridge Bottleneck 1080 gt X? 2016/06/11 22:31:46 (permalink)
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Hello,
 
as many have said I doubt you would encounter a bottleneck do to your 2500k on a single GPU. I would not consider SLI on that cpu however as you will definitely have a bottleneck.


I already gave clear proof that a 2500k can indeed be a large bottleneck for single 1080. 


No need to be so harsh about it. With an EVGAtech messaging, it's icing on the cake for the OP that he will fine, even with your explanation.


what kind of ridiculous assessment is that? all he did was give a random opinion that is no more useful than anyone elses that has done no research at all on the matter. 

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Re: Will Sandy Bridge Bottleneck 1080 gt X? 2016/06/11 23:20:32 (permalink)
Actually this is a great video regarding the subject.
 
youtube.com/watch?v=frNjT5R5XI4
 
 
I'm not either convinced that OP 'needs' to upgrade just yet, especially since he has 2133MHz ram in his PC. 2500K is definitely nearing the end of its life cycle but I'm not sure if it's yet obsolete. Especially with the low level APIs like DX12 and Vulkan on the horizon. 

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Re: Will Sandy Bridge Bottleneck 1080 gt X? 2016/06/11 23:32:35 (permalink)
Thanks for the replies everyone.  I guess I am getting some mixed message here.  IMHO, I'm sure I will be getting bottlenecked to a degree as the I5 2500K is an older chipset.  I guess the question I am trying to ask is to what "degree' is the bottleneck where the price to performance ratio is not worth the purchase given that I'm gaming at 2560 x 1440?
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Re: Will Sandy Bridge Bottleneck 1080 gt X? 2016/06/11 23:58:17 (permalink)
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Thanks for the replies everyone.  I guess I am getting some mixed message here.  IMHO, I'm sure I will be getting bottlenecked to a degree as the I5 2500K is an older chipset.  I guess the question I am trying to ask is to what "degree' is the bottleneck where the price to performance ratio is not worth the purchase given that I'm gaming at 2560 x 1440?


I gave you some very clear examples of just how much you would hold back a 1080. and those were playable differences as you cant even maintain 60 or even 50 fps in those examples I gave you. you have no trouble dropping up to 700 bucks on a gpu but cant spend a fraction of that to get the best use out of it in all games? again after selling your other parts its not much money at all and you will be set for the next few years. 

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Re: Will Sandy Bridge Bottleneck 1080 gt X? 2016/06/12 00:01:05 (permalink)
Lots of really good information here.
 
That video link in post #46 is what you should be addressing. If you are not running 2133MHz RAM on your system right now, that is the most cost effective way to upgrade your system.
 
If you don't have that, I'd suggest getting something like this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231571
 
It's one of the biggest things I see reviews not addressing... I saw huge increases in performance in games when I moved from 1600MHz RAM to 2400MHz. Faster RAM really helps your processor, especially in games that use any type of physics engine.

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Re: Will Sandy Bridge Bottleneck 1080 gt X? 2016/06/12 00:10:01 (permalink)
Thanks trek544.  I am leaning towards swapping for a new system a year from now. In the meantime, I am going to overclock some more to squeeze every bit of performance on the i5 2500k and keep an eye out for new tech in the meantime (CPU and GPU wise). 
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Re: Will Sandy Bridge Bottleneck 1080 gt X? 2016/06/12 00:12:48 (permalink)
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Lots of really good information here.
 
That video link in post #46 is what you should be addressing. If you are not running 2133MHz RAM on your system right now, that is the most cost effective way to upgrade your system.
 
If you don't have that, I'd suggest getting something like this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231571
 
It's one of the biggest things I see reviews not addressing... I saw huge increases in performance in games when I moved from 1600MHz RAM to 2400MHz. Faster RAM really helps your processor, especially in games that use any type of physics engine.




Thanks.  Yeah, I'm already running 2133 Mhz which is the fastest I can run on Sandybridge.  Or at least that is what my Mobo manual states.  Thanks anyhow!
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Re: Will Sandy Bridge Bottleneck 1080 gt X? 2016/06/12 01:51:55 (permalink)
What motherboard do you have?

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Re: Will Sandy Bridge Bottleneck 1080 gt X? 2016/06/12 04:00:18 (permalink)
hello Yhan2
 
 
i searched all over the web and yes.... the 6700K is the cpu of the moment! >> no bottlenecks ( so far..) and affordable within SOME reason...
 
you should upgrade to skylake ( released less then a year ago) - it should last you 4 maybe 5 years!
obviously you will need a new mobo (sckt 1051) and fast DDR4 Ram .... 
 
this is gonna be my set up if you want some lights on what you might want to buy (Zuhl3156 and Vlada011 helped me A LOT with the parts picking):
 

 
you dont have to spend that much! ... all those parts in my budget cost a single GTX1080 
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