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Re:What is the best Thermal Paste for GTX 400's?
Sunday, April 18, 2010 6:00 AM
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I'll be applying Shin Etsu X23 tomorrow. I'll post back and let you know how it does, compared to the stock stuff. I know it dropped my cpu load temps by nearly 8C when compared to AS5.
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Re:What is the best Thermal Paste for GTX 400's?
Sunday, April 18, 2010 6:06 AM
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I'll be interested in finding out what the best thermal paste is.
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Re:What is the best Thermal Paste for GTX 400's?
Sunday, April 18, 2010 6:13 AM
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My new favorite is Ocz Freeze, but Arctic silver or Arctic ceramique both work very very well.
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Re:What is the best Thermal Paste for GTX 400's?
Sunday, April 18, 2010 6:19 AM
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i would either go with Arctic silver 5, Ocz Freeze, or NT-H1 from noctua.
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Re:What is the best Thermal Paste for GTX 400's?
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Re:What is the best Thermal Paste for GTX 400's?
Sunday, April 18, 2010 4:36 PM
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yes but i would like to hear from a EVGA person.. does removing the hs and replacing the TIM void your lifetime warranty
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Re:What is the best Thermal Paste for GTX 400's?
Sunday, April 18, 2010 4:59 PM
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rekcah980 yes but i would like to hear from a EVGA person.. does removing the hs and replacing the TIM void your lifetime warranty It does not. You can even use after-market and they'll honor it, you simply need to have the original cooler on it when you RMA.
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Re:What is the best Thermal Paste for GTX 400's?
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Re:What is the best Thermal Paste for GTX 400's?
Sunday, April 18, 2010 5:24 PM
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my vote is for IC Diamond Love this stuff and used it everywhere in my last three builds. I'm a convert!
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Re:What is the best Thermal Paste for GTX 400's?
Sunday, April 18, 2010 5:26 PM
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khatru311 Innovation Cooling Diamond "24 Carat" Thermal Compound - 4.8 Grams Does anyone have any experience with this compound? From what I have found it appears to be the best and "MOST" expensive. Yeah I'm not sure where some people think its easy to apply...the stuff is extremely viscous, the colder it is the harder it is to apply and spread. Its like trying to spread dried bubble gum lol. I read a few tips to drop the syringe in hot water to let it loosen up a bit, which helps, but as soon as it hits the cold IHS it just gets all gummy again. The other thing is...as advertised, it has little bits of ground up diamond in it. So it tends to scratch/blemish your IHS and heatsink base. Just something to consider, doesn't come off either so consider it permanent. Its also the most difficult TIM to remove by far of any I've used. It'll strip the cotton off your Q-tips and once you've gone through a half dozen or so, the real fun starts if you use any traditional solvent to try and remove it. The *ONLY* thing I've found that works well is ArctiClean (great stuff btw, well worth the $6 so I recommend this for anyone), which removes it without any problems. In any case, it cools well enough but honestly, not much different than any of the other top thermal compounds, and certainly not enough for me to continue using it. It also doesn't last as long either. I have a 1.5g syringe of it and used up a little more than 1/2 on 2 CPU applications. Something like AS5 or OCZ Freeze, a little syringe 2-3g syringe of those lasts years.... In the end its worth trying once and then deciding if its worth it for you if you think you're getting another 1-2C cooler temps. I found its difference to be negligible and the cons outweighing the pros so I no longer bother with it, hope that helps.
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Re:What is the best Thermal Paste for GTX 400's?
Sunday, April 18, 2010 5:30 PM
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Well, I just ordered up some MX-3. I have a tube of Ceramique lying around here somewhere but in all honesty I didn't notice hardly any difference using that over AS5 on my processor. They also have it on Amazon and using my Prime account (worth its weight in gold btw) it'll be here in 2 days with no extra shipping cost. I'll apply it on my 470 when it gets here and also post up my results.
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Re:What is the best Thermal Paste for GTX 400's?
Sunday, April 18, 2010 5:36 PM
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Just a quick round-up... IC Diamond 7/24 = Great performance, non-capacitive, no curing time, thick Arctic Cooling MX-3 = Great performance, non-capacitive, no curing time, thick Arctic Cooling MX-2 = Great performance, non-capacitive, no curing time, thin/easy application Arctic Silver 5 = Good performance (slightly worse than above), curing time, not too thick but not very thin either, capacitive Cooler Master ThermalFusion 400 = Great performance, unsure if it is capacitive or not (CM doesn't say so I'm assuming it is), no curing time, thick OCZ Freeze = Great performance (better than AS5 and MX-2 from my experience), non-capacitive, no curing time, thin/easy application
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Re:What is the best Thermal Paste for GTX 400's?
Sunday, April 18, 2010 5:36 PM
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Thanks Chizow, That is good information to have. I will try it and let everyone know my experience. I live in Las Vegas and it is heating up very quickly. My SLI Gtx 480's have added a lot of heat to my already hot room. I am trying to avoid watercooling but I fear it may be the only way. However that would be another 800$ into this system because I would need a new PSU and a custom watercooling setup. Therefore, I hope the impoved thermal paste will decrease the temps on my GPU. I appears you and I have a very simular system to my own. Do you mind if I ask how many fans you are running on your Antec 1200? I am running 8 at the moment 4 in front and one on the side sucking and the top fan and 2 back fans pulling.
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Re:What is the best Thermal Paste for GTX 400's?
Sunday, April 18, 2010 5:47 PM
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Re:What is the best Thermal Paste for GTX 400's?
Sunday, April 18, 2010 5:50 PM
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khatru311 Thanks Chizow, That is good information to have. I will try it and let everyone know my experience. I live in Las Vegas and it is heating up very quickly. My SLI Gtx 480's have added a lot of heat to my already hot room. I am trying to avoid watercooling but I fear it may be the only way. However that would be another 800$ into this system because I would need a new PSU and a custom watercooling setup. Therefore, I hope the impoved thermal paste will decrease the temps on my GPU. I appears you and I have a very simular system to my own. Do you mind if I ask how many fans you are running on your Antec 1200? I am running 8 at the moment 4 in front and one on the side sucking and the top fan and 2 back fans pulling. Keep in mind, neither changing thermal paste or going watercooling will change the heat in your room if that is your primary concern. If anything, the increased efficiency in transferring heat will only speed up the process of heating up your room. One of the biggest misconceptions with watercooling is that it will somehow decrease the heat generated by PC components, but unless you have the rads outside of your room, it just diffuses that heat into the ambient environment more quickly. If you're really worried about room temps, the best you can do is probably to spend $200 on a window A/C unit as I doubt most people will go the more expensive dedicated HVAC compressor route to their PC room. As for my set-up, yes that's pretty much the way I have things set-up, however, I have an additional internal cage with a 120mm from my old Antec 900 blowing toward the GPUs, so those bottom 2x fan cages both have 4 120mm fans in them blowing cool air to the GPUs. I also have one of the back exhausts flipped to blow inward on the CPU. The main reason being once I have both GPU spinning up they help exhaust air to keep airpressure positive, meaning more intake than exhaust. I also did a few mods yesterday to improve layout and airflow.
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Re:What is the best Thermal Paste for GTX 400's?
Sunday, April 18, 2010 6:51 PM
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Hey Chizow, I did the same thing! I took the extra fan cage from my old 900 and put it in my case as well. I since removed it in favor of the side fan. I think I will try your idea of flipping one of the back exhaust fans. I have considered adding a window AC uint to the room. Unfortunately I do not have a top/ down window only side to side and I don' think there is anyway to fix that.
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Re:What is the best Thermal Paste for GTX 400's?
Sunday, April 18, 2010 7:09 PM
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Haha nice, just get another 120mm fan and use the cage again imo. As for your situation, there are solutions to that side opening window, you need a casement AC unit. While they are typically a bit more expensive and a bit more difficult to weatherseal, they don't look too bad overall: http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&q=casement+air+conditioner&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=13144411578605018501&ei=uFbLS_KSGYGKlwer4sGJBg&sa=X&oi=product_catalog_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBQQ8wIwAA#ps-sellers That's ~$350 for a 10,000 BTU unit, which is a pretty big unit. Depending on your room size you may only need 6000-8000 BTU. There's also standalone portable units but I'm not sure how good they are since they'll undoubtedly return some hot air back into the room, and are also quite a bit more expensive. I'm probably going to end up getting a room AC too for these puppies lol, so you're not alone there either. Right now its very cool here on the EC, 50-60C, but once summer hits full swing I'll be in a similar boat as you + humidity.......
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Re:What is the best Thermal Paste for GTX 400's?
Sunday, April 18, 2010 8:07 PM
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rekcah980 yes but i would like to hear from a EVGA person.. does removing the hs and replacing the TIM void your lifetime warranty almost everyone looking for max cooling performance replaces the stock TIM. very few would actually do if it wasn't allowed by warranty. in fact, when i reported one of my 480 being 12*C hotter consistently and regardless of it's position in my case -- they said to go ahead and replace the TIM myself. think about it -- EVGA knows the paste is globbed on in manufacturing and that it gets crusty after long use. the advisement of TIM replacement should actually extend the life of the card over the original stock paste if properly applied.
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Re:What is the best Thermal Paste for GTX 400's?
Sunday, April 18, 2010 8:17 PM
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chizow  That is disgusting. Looks like mud. I'm not really interested in tiny diamond bits scratching up my heatsink and heatspreader either. I never keep my tech much over a year -- so when I resell it -- I prefer it to be as pristine as possible. Clearly IC Diamond is not for me.
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Re:What is the best Thermal Paste for GTX 400's?
Sunday, April 18, 2010 8:49 PM
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mwparrish That is disgusting. Looks like mud. I'm not really interested in tiny diamond bits scratching up my heatsink and heatspreader either. I never keep my tech much over a year -- so when I resell it -- I prefer it to be as pristine as possible. Clearly IC Diamond is not for me. Ya its pretty nasty stuff, its more like fine cement and loc-tite epoxy mixed together. I pity the fool who tries to remove this without the aid of ArctiClean. But ya that's why I won't touch the stuff again, not only do you risk warranty by using it, resale is also less forgiving if you have a buyer that's skeptical because "their TIM never does that."
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Re:What is the best Thermal Paste for GTX 400's?
Sunday, April 18, 2010 9:06 PM
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Hey Falcon, how about editing your posts man, you keep dragging this thread (and now argument) into oblivion with your triple and quad posting... Thanks! Chiz, he's just going to keep arguing with you and pretty much ruin this thread. In fact, it's pretty much toasted now as is.
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Re:What is the best Thermal Paste for GTX 400's?
Sunday, April 18, 2010 9:59 PM
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I manufacture waterblocks and liquid cooling solutions for High power electronics ,perhaps you would like to rephrase your comment.
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Re:What is the best Thermal Paste for GTX 400's?
Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:09 PM
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Falcon_CMH RBIEZE I manufacture waterblocks and liquid cooling solutions for High power electronics ,perhaps you would like to rephrase your comment. How about you re-read the thread and see everthing I said was true and chizow is spewing invalid info like: 1) Its real diamond 2) It invalidates peoples warranty etc. Once again, it is real diamond, its not cubic zirconia or quartz or anything else. There is a distinction between natural and synthetic diamonds but their molecular composition and resultant characteristics are the same, but they are both real diamonds. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_diamond Using IC7 diamond can leave permanent physical scuffing or blemishes on your hardware; this can be considered physical damage which would invalidate warranty for most hardware manufacturers. Its important for people to know the risks involved, please stop trying to dismiss it as if its a non-issue thanks.
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Re:What is the best Thermal Paste for GTX 400's?
Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:11 PM
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zschopf1 Chizow don't bother with him, he's not sure what he's saying. As far as I've read and compared to multiple forums he's not researching, he's just stating based on preferance not actuality. Thanks for posts everyone! There's a large debate over this, but please be sure to keep it clean and unbiased, thanks! Ah OK lol, that makes sense then. But ya sorry for muddying up your thread.
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Re:What is the best Thermal Paste for GTX 400's?
Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:14 PM
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Well, I didn't think this was going to turn into a war of opinions! However, I do not plan on selling anything in my current system. Once this one has ran it's course I will be building from the ground up (except for the case). I don't expect to do that for at least a year. There are varying opinions on this issue all over the web. I am going to stick with my initial judgement and try the IC7 24 carat. I don't plan on replacing my TIM more than once, unless absolutely necassary. If it doesn't work out then I will have learned my lesson and I will try something else next time. However, if I don't try it once it will nag at me for a long time. Just the type of person I am. Thanks!
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Re:What is the best Thermal Paste for GTX 400's?
Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:57 PM
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chizow lol, man if you really cared about this company you'd stop trying to pimp their products for them. If anything you just make them look bad spouting all this unfounded nonsense and contradictory BS. What makes this so funny is that the key characteristic they use to market their product, the use of real diamond (and its accompanying characteristics), is what you're doing your best to disprove by saying its not really diamond. Its really quite amusing. I agree completely, he thinks we are attacking him... We're only setting things straight. I honestly don't care what he think diamonds are or aren't. Synthetically they are the same in and out. However he keeps stating they are fake, as in nothing as good as the real ones let alone not from the ground. If we used real diamonds we could easily say $50 to the gram. Only because it is authentic and not synthetic thats the only difference. Facts lie within lies and lies lie within truths. Falcon, don't claim you have credibility because you've used the product, the facts are only as straight as the user. =) Edit: As well I'm still going with Arctic Cooling MX-2 since it is more reasonable for me personally.
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Re:What is the best Thermal Paste for GTX 400's?
Sunday, April 18, 2010 11:37 PM
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If anyone is interested in the different application methods I found this video at youtube informative. It's the MX2 addition, but He's has some others posted. How Thermal Compound Spreads (MX-2 Edition) I chose MX2 becuase it's cheap and supposably you do not have to reapply it often. Have always used AS5 in the past, but because I am putting water blocks on my board I figured I would get a TIM that had no chance of shorting anything out. (I would have purchased the Shin-Etsu X23, had I read this before buying 2 tubes of MX2). Also here is some additional research: TIM Review Supplement EDIT: Some additional images and test found at: HardwareCanucks
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using the above graph as an example.All of the compounds are within just a couple degrees.Makes no sense to argue over any compound.You can gain or lose that many degrees by reapplying the same compound.
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Falcon reflow occurs when the Tim in question becomes fluid and travels through capillary action. It is basically unaffected by gravity when used in the application in question.
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