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2014/06/24 03:28:35 (permalink)
Hi everyone :)

Could somene please explain me how the Dark's Vdroop setting work exactly? 
As far as i can understand it should be the equivalent of Asus's Load Line Claibration, correct?

So let's say i want a "Medium" Load line calibration equivalent... should i go for 80% ?

Thank you.


[I'm sorry if the question sounds silly... but this is my very first non-asus mobo ever :P ]
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    Re: VDroop setting Explanation. 2014/06/24 03:41:21 (permalink)
    I'm trying to see if I can get you the best answer

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    Re: VDroop setting Explanation. 2014/06/24 04:19:39 (permalink)
    Voltage droop is the loss in output voltage from a device as it drives a higher load. Employing droop in a voltage regulation circuit increases the headroom for load transients.
     
    Allowing VDroop reduces power consumption by VRM and CPU. This in turn reduces wear on the CPU and heat generated. However, for moderate to extreme overclocking it may be necessary to reduce/disable this feature to assist with stability, to keep provided voltage constant, even at cost of higher power consumption.

     
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    Setting it to 80% would give a little more power but still let it drop when under load.
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    Re: VDroop setting Explanation. 2014/06/24 04:41:09 (permalink)
    I see. But talking about long term OCs (daily) ..which one is safer?

    I mean i found my stability with both vdroop off or 60%. (Course i need higher + offset value with 60%). 

    Anyhow i don't pass 1.35 full load vcore @ 4,6 so i think both settings are good.

    But what about overshot?
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    Re: VDroop setting Explanation. 2014/06/24 06:09:06 (permalink)
    Unfortunately we would not be able to give advice for using it as we would not be able to give overclocking advice.  There are many other helpful guides and members here that would be able to help you however.
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    Re: VDroop setting Explanation. 2014/06/24 06:41:03 (permalink)
    Ive done a lot of OC testing with various "Vdroop" settings from disabled up to the Intel spec.  The conclusion I came to is when using the Intel spec, I get the lowest "full load" core temps.
     
    You have to set your Vcore or offset higher using vdroop, but comparing temps running IBT without vdroop vs with Intel spec vdroop, the load temps were lower with vdroop.
     
    I know it takes time, but best thing to do is test the various vdroop settings for yourself to see which performs better for your system.
     
    Note:  I keep all power saving features enabled.
     



     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: VDroop setting Explanation. 2014/06/24 09:34:47 (permalink)
    I don't really have temperatures issue [my water loop runs always a 2~4 of degrees under ambient temperature) nor voltage issue (as said i'm able to run 4,6 staying inside 1.35v full load].

    But while vdrop compensation is good for bench and "extreme" frequencies... i'm not sure about daily use becouse of overshot ... 

    Honestly i never understood how "big" the overshot problem can be in real world .... i just know on asus mobos "Normal" Load line calibration is considered the safest setting.

    So i'm trying to figure out what setting is the equivalent of "normale" here :)
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    Re: VDroop setting Explanation. 2014/06/24 10:01:23 (permalink)
    My best guess would be since Vdroop is an Intel design spec, that the "Intel Spec" setting would be the "normal" safest setting.  Then the 80% setting being the next step below that and so on.  But I guess someone from tech support would have to answer that definitively.


     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: VDroop setting Explanation. 2014/06/24 11:04:41 (permalink)
    As far as i can understand:
    No Vdrop is exactly what it says, it compensates vdrop at all [which is awesome for bench... not sure bout daily use).
    Intel Spec should disable that feature at all .. you basically haven't any compesnation.

    80 and 60%,as names suggest, should compensate for 60% and 80% :).

    BUT what i reallydon't understand is how does it comes i can boot with lower vcore using Intel Spec rather then 60%. 
    And also why there isn't any intermediate setting... i mean: Medium Load line calibration is 25% .. Regular is 0% .. high 50 % and so on ..


    Now don't take me wrong: i LOVE this mobo and this bios..till i'm benching (got better results than RIVBE so far)
    On the other hand i'm lost trying to set it for a daily use.
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    Re: VDroop setting Explanation. 2014/06/24 12:03:23 (permalink)
    If you're using an IB-E CPU (may also apply to SB-e) and using anything other than "Intel Spec" for a vdroop setting, try enabling K-boost in the BIOS.  This will give you a momentary boost in core voltage at post.  That may help in allowing you to boot with a lower vcore or offset voltage.
     
    Using the Vdroop setting "disabled" allows for a lower vcore or offset setting.  Under a load, it allows your CPU voltage to increase as neded to a point where it's not enough to handle the load resulting in an error or BSOD.
     
    I run my system differently than some.  Since I'm not looking to break any world records, I use the same settings while benching and daily use.  The only thing I change between the two is the clock speed.  So far up to 4.8GHz, my method is working for me.  I'm not sure what your goal is, so disabling Vdroop and other power saving features may be what's needed for what you want to achieve.
    post edited by bdary - 2014/06/24 12:12:23


     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: VDroop setting Explanation. 2014/06/24 12:20:33 (permalink)
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    I don't really have temperatures issue [my water loop runs always a 2~4 of degrees under ambient temperature) nor voltage issue (as said i'm able to run 4,6 staying inside 1.35v full load].

    But while vdrop compensation is good for bench and "extreme" frequencies... i'm not sure about daily use becouse of overshot ... 

    Honestly i never understood how "big" the overshot problem can be in real world .... i just know on asus mobos "Normal" Load line calibration is considered the safest setting.

    So i'm trying to figure out what setting is the equivalent of "normale" here :)


    Your water temperature is 2-4 degrees lower than ambient? What? Are you using a chiller?

    The safest setting is to use the default Intel vdroop. With vdroop off, the CPU voltage spikes when load drops fast from high load to low load. The more core voltage you use, the greater the spike. With these low nanometer processors, voltage spikes become more and more important since they are more likely to be damaged by voltage spikes compared to older larger nanometer processors. Just keeping the chip cool isn't the only concern regarding safety and longevity.

    The power spike with vdroop disabled probably won't damage the CPU, but it's safer not to disable vdroop and use the default Intel vdroop setting. Just use the default setting with a bit more core voltage. The higher core voltage necessary with default vdroop should still be considerably less than the voltage spike from load to idle with vdroop disabled.

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    Re: VDroop setting Explanation. 2014/06/24 23:19:47 (permalink)
    ty_ger07


    Your water temperature is 2-4 degrees lower than ambient? What? Are you using a chiller?


    Yes.

    ty_ger07
    The safest setting is to use the default Intel vdroop. With vdroop off, the CPU voltage spikes when load drops fast from high load to low load. The more core voltage you use, the greater the spike. With these low nanometer processors, voltage spikes become more and more important since they are more likely to be damaged by voltage spikes compared to older larger nanometer processors. Just keeping the chip cool isn't the only concern regarding safety and longevity.

    The power spike with vdroop disabled probably won't damage the CPU, but it's safer not to disable vdroop and use the default Intel vdroop setting. Just use the default setting with a bit more core voltage. The higher core voltage necessary with default vdroop should still be considerably less than the voltage spike from load to idle with vdroop disabled.


    Thank you.
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