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2021/01/13 19:17:43 (permalink)
I recently installed a hybrid cooling kit on my 3090 FT3 Ultra, it was a little challenging and confusing so I was a bit concerned I might have messed something up in the process, but I managed.
I'm just running some stress tests at the moment, and the temps seemed fine enough on a surface level, but I decided to inspect the ICX temperature information on Precision X1 here:

 
I'm mostly wondering if "GPU2" and "MEM1" being so much higher than everything else is an issue? I know very little about temps and the specifics of them other than general stuff. Is it normal to see those specific temperature higher than the others?
 
Also I'm slightly concerned as to my card still capping about 71C despite having an AIO on it now. Prior to installing the AIO I was getting about 80-85C, so it's definitely an improvement. But I can't fathom how people are getting stuff like 60C on this thing.
 
I tried tried to reseat the cooler, and it still seems about the same. The only way I can position the rad and fans in the case is as an intake, not an exhaust, so I'm not sure if maybe that's the issue. The airflow in my case isn't too bad, I have a Coirsair 4000D Airflow. Though My CPU on an AIO also tends to hit about 70C. My case might just generally be kind of hot?

Anyway, is this okay? Does this seem safe to continue to use like this?
 
Thank you in advance!
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    Re: Temperature Question After Installing 3090 FT3 Ultra Hybrid kit. 2021/01/13 19:21:18 (permalink)
    Those some high temps. I don't have a FT3, but my mem doesn't get hotter then 55c and usually is around 49c. I don't think I was able to get my GPU to go to 71c yet...
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    Re: Temperature Question After Installing 3090 FT3 Ultra Hybrid kit. 2021/01/13 19:28:24 (permalink)
    Intake is perfectly fine. Mine never breaks 60*C and before on air I was around 76 max. 

    Are you sure you have full contact with everything? It sounds like it isn't seated correctly with proper pressure.



     
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    Re: Temperature Question After Installing 3090 FT3 Ultra Hybrid kit. 2021/01/13 19:33:07 (permalink)
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    Intake is perfectly fine. Mine never breaks 60*C and before on air I was around 76 max. 

    Are you sure you have full contact with everything? It sounds like it isn't seated correctly with proper pressure.


    I can check again at some point, but frankly I really wish that wouldn't be the answer since my lack of experience, the poor instructions provided by EVGA, and the overall difficulty telling if it's actually seated since it's so enclosed makes it all quite difficult for me to actually do. It did feel like everything was seated though when I tried doing it the second time.
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    Re: Temperature Question After Installing 3090 FT3 Ultra Hybrid kit. 2021/01/13 19:45:36 (permalink)
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    Intake is perfectly fine. Mine never breaks 60*C and before on air I was around 76 max. 

    Are you sure you have full contact with everything? It sounds like it isn't seated correctly with proper pressure.


    I can check again at some point, but frankly I really wish that wouldn't be the answer since my lack of experience, the poor instructions provided by EVGA, and the overall difficulty telling if it's actually seated since it's so enclosed makes it all quite difficult for me to actually do. It did feel like everything was seated though when I tried doing it the second time.




    When you take it off, make sure the thermal pads have indents on them ensuring proper contact. If no indents exist, contact wasn't full. Also, same with the gpu chip. Make sure the thermal paste was properly spread, similar to a CPU. You don't want too much paste or too little. Also, if you didn't clean ALL the previous thermal putty that might be part of the issue too. It could prevent proper contact due to "bumps" causing air gaps.



     
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    Re: Temperature Question After Installing 3090 FT3 Ultra Hybrid kit. 2021/01/13 19:50:24 (permalink)
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    Intake is perfectly fine. Mine never breaks 60*C and before on air I was around 76 max. 

    Are you sure you have full contact with everything? It sounds like it isn't seated correctly with proper pressure.


    I can check again at some point, but frankly I really wish that wouldn't be the answer since my lack of experience, the poor instructions provided by EVGA, and the overall difficulty telling if it's actually seated since it's so enclosed makes it all quite difficult for me to actually do. It did feel like everything was seated though when I tried doing it the second time.




    When you take it off, make sure the thermal pads have indents on them ensuring proper contact. If no indents exist, contact wasn't full. Also, same with the gpu chip. Make sure the thermal paste was properly spread, similar to a CPU. You don't want too much paste or too little. Also, if you didn't clean ALL the previous thermal putty that might be part of the issue too. It could prevent proper contact due to "bumps" causing air gaps.


    Thank you for the advice, that's all very helpful to know. I cleaned the previous thermal paste off best I could, but there was still some left on. so that might just be part of the issue then. I may not have been thorough enough with it. I'll try reseating it sometime this week/weekend.

    I assume if I leave it like this for a bit while I find time to get around to doing that, it isn't too big of an issue though?
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    Re: Temperature Question After Installing 3090 FT3 Ultra Hybrid kit. 2021/01/14 05:18:46 (permalink)
    your temp is too high
    you can try to reinstall the hybrid and using new thermal pads like the Thermalright ODYSSEY THERMAL PAD(12.8W/mk) and make sure the pcb is clean off before repaste pads, you can use WD-40 Specialist Electrical Contact Cleaner Spray to wash your pcb that would be quick and easy to remove the old putty ,i have used almost 1 can(10oz) ,and just make sure the pcb is dry before you install the hybrid kit
     
    Room temperature is 24C in september
    on air 

     
     
    Room temperature is 20C today
    on hybrid kit idle
     

     

     
    on hybrid kit run powermax x64 1.0
     

     

     
    post edited by komicaaa - 2021/01/14 05:22:43
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    Re: Temperature Question After Installing 3090 FT3 Ultra Hybrid kit. 2021/01/14 09:22:13 (permalink)
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    your temp is too high
    you can try to reinstall the hybrid and using new thermal pads like the Thermalright ODYSSEY THERMAL PAD(12.8W/mk) and make sure the pcb is clean off before repaste pads, you can use WD-40 Specialist Electrical Contact Cleaner Spray to wash your pcb that would be quick and easy to remove the old putty ,i have used almost 1 can(10oz) ,and just make sure the pcb is dry before you install the hybrid kit
     
    Room temperature is 24C in september
    on air 

     
     
    Room temperature is 20C today
    on hybrid kit idle
     

     

     
    on hybrid kit run powermax x64 1.0
     

     

     


    vgerik1234
    When you take it off, make sure the thermal pads have indents on them ensuring proper contact. If no indents exist, contact wasn't full. Also, same with the gpu chip. Make sure the thermal paste was properly spread, similar to a CPU. You don't want too much paste or too little. Also, if you didn't clean ALL the previous thermal putty that might be part of the issue too. It could prevent proper contact due to "bumps" causing air gaps.

    So I went and followed most of both your advices, I reseated everything, used isopropyl alcohol to very thoroughly clean off every trace of the old thermal paste, then I reapplied my own Corsair thermal paste on the spots that required it. Made 100% sure it was dry and everything before doing it.
     
    My results are about the same still, maybe even a tiny bit worse to be honest?

    I have a question, with the thermal pads, do I need to put thermal paste on and the thermal pad, or just the thermal pad? I'm using just the pad and nothing else. I could always get a different brand of thermal pad (like the ones you linked) and thermal paste, but it feels really really odd that even the stock stuff is giving me a 15-20 degree difference compared to other people.
     
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    Re: Temperature Question After Installing 3090 FT3 Ultra Hybrid kit. 2021/01/14 09:23:59 (permalink)
    Can you take a pic of your build?
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    Re: Temperature Question After Installing 3090 FT3 Ultra Hybrid kit. 2021/01/14 09:27:05 (permalink)
    Definitely reseat the hybrid kit. I too was having 83 to 85 deg temps with the 3090 ftw3 ultra. I then got the kit and I do not go higher than 60 degrees in cyberpunk. I did replace the fans with Noctua's that have good static pressure. 
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    Re: Temperature Question After Installing 3090 FT3 Ultra Hybrid kit. 2021/01/14 09:29:16 (permalink)
    glocked89
    Can you take a pic of your build?




    Back fan, and top AIO (processor cooling) are exhaust, Front AIO (Hybrid GPU) is intake.
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    Re: Temperature Question After Installing 3090 FT3 Ultra Hybrid kit. 2021/01/14 09:34:28 (permalink)
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    Definitely reseat the hybrid kit. I too was having 83 to 85 deg temps with the 3090 ftw3 ultra. I then got the kit and I do not go higher than 60 degrees in cyberpunk. I did replace the fans with Noctua's that have good static pressure. 


    I actually just posted a couple posts above yours about the fact that I did reseat it and I'm still having issues, I can't tell if I just misunderstood something in the vague instructions provided. I'm worried I forgot to plug a cable in, or didn't plug one into the right spot (for instance I don't know where those 3 pin connectors both male/female went so I just plugged them into each other).  I also couldn't tell if you needed to put thermal paste under the thermal pads as well or not, I ended up just not putting any.


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    Re: Temperature Question After Installing 3090 FT3 Ultra Hybrid kit. 2021/01/14 09:40:04 (permalink)
    I have the same exact case and identical set up as you only that I have the NZXT cooler. Before reseating it again (I know you did) take pics of how you have it. I had to clean up the junk on the memory. I also cleaned up the GPU paste very well and I used 3rd party paste instead of what was provided.
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    Re: Temperature Question After Installing 3090 FT3 Ultra Hybrid kit. 2021/01/14 09:42:31 (permalink)
     
    you should only use thermal paste on GPU DIE, and only use thermal pads on Vram/Mosfet
     
    photo by Reedey

     

    I have a question, with the thermal pads, do I need to put thermal paste on and the thermal pad, or just the thermal pad? I'm using just the pad and nothing else. I could always get a different brand of thermal pad (like the ones you linked) and thermal paste, but it feels really really odd that even the stock stuff is giving me a 15-20 degree difference compared to other people.
     




    post edited by komicaaa - 2021/01/14 10:10:48
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    Re: Temperature Question After Installing 3090 FT3 Ultra Hybrid kit. 2021/01/14 09:47:11 (permalink)
    Move CPU-AIO(maybe 150W~250W) to front intake
    and move Hybrid(430W~500W) to Top exhaust, the air is very warm, should be exhaust as fast as quickly
    qrau40
     
    I actually just posted a couple posts above yours about the fact that I did reseat it and I'm still having issues, I can't tell if I just misunderstood something in the vague instructions provided. I'm worried I forgot to plug a cable in, or didn't plug one into the right spot (for instance I don't know where those 3 pin connectors both male/female went so I just plugged them into each other).  I also couldn't tell if you needed to put thermal paste under the thermal pads as well or not, I ended up just not putting any.






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    Re: Temperature Question After Installing 3090 FT3 Ultra Hybrid kit. 2021/01/14 10:09:00 (permalink)
    komicaaa
    Move CPU-AIO(maybe 150W~250W) to front intake
    and move Hybrid(430W~500W) to Top exhaust, the air is very warm, should be exhaust as fast as quickly
    qrau40
     
    I actually just posted a couple posts above yours about the fact that I did reseat it and I'm still having issues, I can't tell if I just misunderstood something in the vague instructions provided. I'm worried I forgot to plug a cable in, or didn't plug one into the right spot (for instance I don't know where those 3 pin connectors both male/female went so I just plugged them into each other).  I also couldn't tell if you needed to put thermal paste under the thermal pads as well or not, I ended up just not putting any.








    I understand the logic behind the suggestion, but wouldn't it actually be worse since I'd be pulling the hot air in the case created by everything else through the radiator thus either making it worse or at the least not any better? As an intake my thought was it was pulling in cold air through the radiator, thus cooling it the best. I can always try it though at some point.


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    Re: Temperature Question After Installing 3090 FT3 Ultra Hybrid kit. 2021/01/14 10:19:12 (permalink)
    you should download the powermax x64 1.0 and run benchmark CPU+GPU
    Put your hand on the yellow square and chassis top
    To check which location is hotter
     
    Ps: Most time ,the CPU won't reach 100% load while gaming 
     

     
    qrau40
     
    I understand the logic behind the suggestion, but wouldn't it actually be worse since I'd be pulling the hot air in the case created by everything else through the radiator thus either making it worse or at the least not any better? As an intake my thought was it was pulling in cold air through the radiator, thus cooling it the best. I can always try it though at some point.






    post edited by komicaaa - 2021/01/14 10:23:15
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    Re: Temperature Question After Installing 3090 FT3 Ultra Hybrid kit. 2021/01/14 10:27:36 (permalink)
    komicaaa
    you should download the powermax x64 1.0 and run benchmark CPU+GPU
    Put your hand on the yellow square and chassis top
    To check which location is hotter
     
    Ps: Most time ,the CPU won't reach 100% load while gaming 
     

     
    qrau40
     
    I understand the logic behind the suggestion, but wouldn't it actually be worse since I'd be pulling the hot air in the case created by everything else through the radiator thus either making it worse or at the least not any better? As an intake my thought was it was pulling in cold air through the radiator, thus cooling it the best. I can always try it though at some point.









    The top felt much hotter to me, note my CPU is a i9-10850k, which runs quite hot.
    Another question. Does it matter if my GPU AIO fans are pulling air through instead of pushing?
     
    Would maybe replacing all my AIO fans and my back case fan with non-stock Noctua's help? Everything I'm using is stock right now.
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    Re: Temperature Question After Installing 3090 FT3 Ultra Hybrid kit. 2021/01/14 10:42:31 (permalink)
    In two radiators setup, you always have to choose which one to intake
    Maybe you can  try rear side to intake and two radiators to exhaust
    and add some small fans at blue circle to help intake air
     
    Or change the case to o11d,that can put radiator on the right side

    qrau40
     
    The top felt much hotter to me, note my CPU is a i9-10850k, which runs quite hot.
    Another question. Does it matter if my GPU AIO fans are pulling air through instead of pushing?
     
    Would maybe replacing all my AIO fans and my back case fan with non-stock Noctua's help? Everything I'm using is stock right now.





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    Re: Temperature Question After Installing 3090 FT3 Ultra Hybrid kit. 2021/01/14 14:47:09 (permalink)
    I like how your gpu rad is getting fresh air, but surprising how high the temps are. You could see better results with fans pushing rather than pulling, but it does seem like a seating issue.

    What happens if you take your front panel off?
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    Re: Temperature Question After Installing 3090 FT3 Ultra Hybrid kit. 2021/01/14 19:51:59 (permalink)
    You did peel the plastic off the VRM thermal pads, right?


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    Re: Temperature Question After Installing 3090 FT3 Ultra Hybrid kit. 2021/01/14 21:02:44 (permalink)
    komicaaa
    your temp is too high
    you can try to reinstall the hybrid and using new thermal pads like the Thermalright ODYSSEY THERMAL PAD(12.8W/mk) and make sure the pcb is clean off before repaste pads, you can use WD-40 Specialist Electrical Contact Cleaner Spray to wash your pcb that would be quick and easy to remove the old putty ,i have used almost 1 can(10oz) ,and just make sure the pcb is dry before you install the hybrid kit
     
     
    Room temperature is 20C today
    on hybrid kit idle
     

     
    on hybrid kit run powermax x64 1.0
     

     

     
    These are excellent temps. I installed the hybrid kit on my 3080 ftw3 and my idles are at room temperature of 25.5ºC are 26º on the GPU and 29-30º on the mem and pwr with the default fan setting (radiator fans only 40%), and 54ºC average on a Time Spy Extreme run using the aggressive fan setting on PX1. I used the pre-applied and paste and thermal pads that came with the kit.
     
    Can I ask if you are using different thermal paste and pads?

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    Re: Temperature Question After Installing 3090 FT3 Ultra Hybrid kit. 2021/01/14 21:16:23 (permalink)
    First post here.  Noticed that the pump for your GPU is lower than the card.  May have problems with water circulation with that orientation. Try reversing the radiator for the GPU and get the pump lines at the top rather than the bottom. Hope this helps.
     
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    Re: Temperature Question After Installing 3090 FT3 Ultra Hybrid kit. 2021/01/14 22:00:40 (permalink)
    use the pre-applied and thermal pads which came with the kit too
    only change the pcb back-side's thermal pads, because the backside pads was melted when i wash my pcb
     
     
    skyline090
     I used the pre-applied and paste and thermal pads that came with the kit. 
    Can I ask if you are using different thermal paste and pads?




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    Re: Temperature Question After Installing 3090 FT3 Ultra Hybrid kit. 2021/01/15 03:30:27 (permalink)
    Those temps are insane.  You need to remount if you haven't already, there's no way it's mounted correctly & getting 71C as a core temp unless your room or inside your case is a furnace.
     
    You should seriously consider switching CPU radiator to intake & GPU radiator to exhaust, the GPU as intake is going to be putting air that is 35+C in to your system as intake, resulting in hotter VRMs, RAM & every other component, including the GPU vRAM & VRMs because you're intaking that hot air in to the GPU's actual fan.  I've seen the exhaust air on my GPU radiator get up to 40C at times.  Having that as intake would basically be like running your computer in the middle of a desert.
     
    But, overall, I think your temps are that high because of a bad mount.  As an example, I just got done with a pretty long Cyberpunk 2077 gaming session, my ambient is 72F currently, maximum GPU die temp was 56C, hottest vRAM readout on iCX was 64.7C, hottest VRM (PWR) temp readout was 66.9C, and that's running at a 2040MHz 1000mV undervolt/OC, with the GPU's on board fan going up to 80% under load, as well as the GPU radiator fans going up to 80% under load.  Hottest exhaust temp on the GPU radiator was 41C, hottest temp from the GPU's rear-exit exhaust was 36C.  
    So your temps are waaaaaaaaaay too high even if your ambient is something crazy like 80F.
     
    As an aside, my case does have stupid-high airflow so your temps will probably not get as low as mine, but they should be close:
     

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    Re: Temperature Question After Installing 3090 FT3 Ultra Hybrid kit. 2021/01/15 04:59:32 (permalink)
     
    qrau40
     
    I actually just posted a couple posts above yours about the fact that I did reseat it and I'm still having issues, I can't tell if I just misunderstood something in the vague instructions provided. I'm worried I forgot to plug a cable in, or didn't plug one into the right spot (for instance I don't know where those 3 pin connectors both male/female went so I just plugged them into each other).  I also couldn't tell if you needed to put thermal paste under the thermal pads as well or not, I ended up just not putting any.




     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
    I also have the 4000D with 2 AIO's and have the GPU with as top exhaust. I also got a filter for the rear exhaust and turned it around to make it intake. With my case closed up and my CPU rads intake spinning at 1000RPM I average mid 50s even with an OC in Port Royal. 
     
    One thing that I actually found made a big difference was the top dust filter. Taking that off so my rad didn't have to deal with that restriction shaved 4-5C off my temperatures. Shouldn't be a big deal having it off since it is exhaust. 
     
    post edited by Rbk_3 - 2021/01/15 05:06:43
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    Re: Temperature Question After Installing 3090 FT3 Ultra Hybrid kit. 2021/01/15 07:10:15 (permalink)
    shoumpavlis
    Definitely reseat the hybrid kit. I too was having 83 to 85 deg temps with the 3090 ftw3 ultra. I then got the kit and I do not go higher than 60 degrees in cyberpunk. I did replace the fans with Noctua's that have good static pressure. 


    I also have an RTX 3090 FTW3 Ultra and under full load in a 21C ambient room temperature my temps never exceed 72C. Of course I have a Corsair 1000D with 15 fans installed. Your PC case has a lot to do with keeping things cool. 

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    Re: Temperature Question After Installing 3090 FT3 Ultra Hybrid kit. 2021/01/17 22:32:01 (permalink)
    too high
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    Re: Temperature Question After Installing 3090 FT3 Ultra Hybrid kit. 2021/01/23 22:41:58 (permalink)
    qrau40
     



    Noticed your PX1 header reads "RTX 3090 FTW3 Ultra Hybrid."  Did you install the XOC Beta Hybrid BIOS for it the read that?
     
    Disregard.  Found the answer on another thread. :)
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    Re: Temperature Question After Installing 3090 FT3 Ultra Hybrid kit. 2021/01/23 22:54:41 (permalink)
    As an aside, having the GPU radiator as intake is going to result in all the other GPU components being hotter as well, because you're intaking hot air and then the GPU is sucking it in to cool the VRMs etc, that's another part of why your VRMs are running much warmer than they should be.
    Your CPU radiator is not going to be outputting anywhere near that kind of heat unless you're running a massive OC on a high-core count CPU, so it's always going to be better to have the CPU radiator as intake, and the GPU radiator as exhaust.
     
    I would definitely remount if you haven't already since I last suggested it, there is no reason at all under the sun your GPU should be hitting 71C with a Hybrid kit on it unless your ambient is well north of 80F.
    You can always test this by leaving the GPU radiator outside of the case, making sure it's elevated mostly above the GPU to avoid any bubbles getting in the GPU block, if that doesn't decrease your temps much, it's almost definitely a bad mount.
     
    A large amount of people that have done self Hybrid kit installs have seen high temps and it went away by remounting because something wasn't done properly.  So it's a common occurence that things aren't "just right" the first time - this is exactly why I bought a Hybrid Card to being with instead of installing a kit myself.

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