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Silicon Wafer Supplier Says Its 300mm Capacity is Sold Out Through 2026

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2022/02/10 13:02:24 (permalink)
ExtremeTech - Silicon Wafer Supplier Says Its 300mm Capacity is Sold Out Through 2026
 
“Over the past year there’s been a lot of digital ink spilled about pandemic-related supply chain problems, and the associated chip shortage. Industry opinions on when the shortage might ease have varied considerably. For example, Intel’s CEO has said he thinks the shortage will last through 2023, with AMD’s CEO saying things will start to improve in late 2022. However, according to one silicon wafer supplier named Sumco, the shortage will likely last a bit longer than even the most dire predictions. The company claims its 300mm wafer capacity is already booked all the way through 2026.
 
The bad news (for consumers, not the company) was revealed in a quarterly earnings call this week. On the call the company, which makes silicon wafers for companies like TSMC to turn into chips, said it already has orders for its 300mm wafer supply for the next five years. The company also noted that it even though it doesn’t take long term orders for its smaller 150mm and 200mm wafers, which it says are used for ‘automotive, consumer, and industrial,’ it still expects demand to exceed supply for many years to come, which is painful to type. Sumco also stated the price for wafers increased ten percent in 2021, and that it expects prices to continue to go up for at least the next three years. This follows an earlier report from Digitimes about TSMC raising prices for its customers, such as AMD and Nvidia, due to its own costs going up.
 
Sumco slide highlighting what is driving demand for 300mm wafers. (Image: Sumco)
 
Even more troubling is Sumco said in its earnings call that it has no way to increase production, despite there being ample demand for it with customers clamoring for more wafer capacity and long-term contracts. It says it is experiencing a supply-demand imbalance across its entire product line. The lack of any viable way to increase production was the number one issue highlighted recently by the US Department of Commerce in a report on the semiconductor shortage. In the report the agency asked silicon fabs about their current production capacity, which was reported to be above 90 percent. This highlights the same issue Sumco is describing. With no way to increase production at this time, the shortages will continue far into the future.
 
Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger also recently described the current demand for semiconductors as ‘exploding,’ leading to his prediction that the shortage will last at least through 2023, if not longer. It’s also one of the main reasons his company recently announced an all-new $20 billion fab of its own in Ohio. However, that facility won’t be cranking out chips until 2025 at the earliest.
 
AMD’s CEO Dr. Lisa Su was a bit more upbeat in her recent predictions, however, stating at a conference in September of last year that she anticipated supply would begin to increase in the second half of 2022. The main reason for her optimism was that more fabs would be coming online eventually to increase production, and with vaccines for COVID-19 rolling out, there would hopefully be less chance of an outbreak shutting down a factory abroad. But like we said at the time, the future is unpredictable, and we had never heard the word ‘Omicron’ back then, so the truth is nobody knows when or how this will all shake out. Sadly, it seems the most clear-headed take is that it will continue for the foreseeable future, with no end in sight.”
 
My thoughts:  Sumco is the second largest supplier of wafers in the world.  The key take away from this is that the shortage will probably continue and we will have higher prices. 


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    Re: Silicon Wafer Supplier Says Its 300mm Capacity is Sold Out Through 2026 2022/02/10 13:21:37 (permalink)
    Seems like even the predictions that this would last until 2025 were not conservative enough. Unless new capacity can be gained in the production of silicon wafers, the new fabs will have limited impact. Sad to say, but it would be a good idea to invest in a bot right now. As the current situation will continue until the consumer market fatigues to the point where demand drops significantly. Not sure I would bet the ranch on that, as the consumer is impatient, easily influenced, has an attention span of a nat, and will be chasing the next new thing or the Jones’ forever. This all means queue up the queues, as the ability to get a card will be like hitting the lottery. I would also expect electricity to increase in price over this time frame making these power hungry cards more expensive to use. Eventually the consumer will crack, but that might be closer to 2030 than to 2022. We can see the tsunami, but can we get out of the way?



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    Re: Silicon Wafer Supplier Says Its 300mm Capacity is Sold Out Through 2026 2022/02/10 15:24:24 (permalink)
    As I've said before, this demand outpacing supply has been coming for quite some time and the manufacturers knew it was coming, but the attitude was that it would be dealt with later.  2020 brought later to the present.
     
    A lot of GPU consumers are waiting now for the 40 series and I don't think availability will be anywhere near back to normal when they are released.  The prices will of course be higher.  Heck, the prices for everything will be higher.
     
    I think consumer fatigue may probably be exhibited by lowered expectations as to what they can reasonably purchase for the price they want to spend.  I keep reading a few comments that people are waiting for GPU prices to drop back to "normal" and unfortunately with the increased costs of all facets of manufacturing, this is "normal" now.  We had about fifteen years of low inflation and that is what people got used to.  The inflation monster is now out.


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    Re: Silicon Wafer Supplier Says Its 300mm Capacity is Sold Out Through 2026 2022/02/10 16:19:52 (permalink)
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    (...) this is "normal" now.  We had about fifteen years of low inflation and that is what people got used to.  The inflation monster is now out.




    they can inflate all they want
    still not gonna buy! so.. inflate away! inflate till infinity for all i care!
     
    but there's a lot of fools with a lot of money out there who love paying high prices!
     
    my previous EVGA GTX 760 SC lasted me 6 years!
     
    guess my 1080 Ti will last me the same  till 2026 maybe 2027!
    i can wait!
    either WAY not 1 game out there that's worth 1500 euros for 1 GFX card!
     

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    Re: Silicon Wafer Supplier Says Its 300mm Capacity is Sold Out Through 2026 2022/02/10 17:10:51 (permalink)
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    As I've said before, this demand outpacing supply has been coming for quite some time and the manufacturers knew it was coming, but the attitude was that it would be dealt with later.  2020 brought later to the present.
     
    A lot of GPU consumers are waiting now for the 40 series and I don't think availability will be anywhere near back to normal when they are released.  The prices will of course be higher.  Heck, the prices for everything will be higher.
     
    I think consumer fatigue may probably be exhibited by lowered expectations as to what they can reasonably purchase for the price they want to spend.  I keep reading a few comments that people are waiting for GPU prices to drop back to "normal" and unfortunately with the increased costs of all facets of manufacturing, this is "normal" now.  We had about fifteen years of low inflation and that is what people got used to.  The inflation monster is now out.




    I agree with you on this.  The last two decades of low interest rates, low inflation are about to change.  Some of our inflation right now is corporations taking advantage of the situation.  We will see if wages rise continue upward, as the $15 minimum wage is a joke.  It needs significantly more to be a “living wage.”  The 40 and 50 series are going to be like this.  If they continue with these power requirements, which means minimally a PSU changes, that will continue the pressure.  Eventually though, consumer fatigue will break this.  If there is no market that people can afford, there is no market.  During these last two decades we cannot lose sight that they are also the most profit ever for corporations.  There are trends to monetize activities that consumers will not be happy about, like within automobiles.  Decided not to buy a care last year because the key fob would not work unless we had a yearly subscription to a service.  It was not expensive, but the principle had me irritated and I walked out.  I can see that now with Intel and the Xenon processors, that this could make it this market too.  Not sure I need the same shades as I did to look into the future.



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    Re: Silicon Wafer Supplier Says Its 300mm Capacity is Sold Out Through 2026 2022/02/10 17:52:34 (permalink)
    If I were Sony or MS, I would look at the current situation as a possible advantage to get more consumers over to consoles, though they have their own availability problems.
     
    I understand what Intel is trying to do.  They have 57 different SKUs for their Xenon chips that they have to produce.  To have one basic chip and then the end user buys the features they need for their operations which are software activated and if that server is then used for a different function that needs other features they just pay for the software enabled upgrade instead of having to purchase another Xenon for that function.  It will be interesting to see how it plays out.


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    Re: Silicon Wafer Supplier Says Its 300mm Capacity is Sold Out Through 2026 2022/02/11 00:04:39 (permalink)
     
    So it looks like we're going to need some more "I survived the Queue" t-shirts...
     


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    Re: Silicon Wafer Supplier Says Its 300mm Capacity is Sold Out Through 2026 2022/02/11 00:18:06 (permalink)
    Until more fabs can produce more chips and semiconductors the shortage will continue. 

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