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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input?
2013/12/02 18:59:54
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Expected classified to have 3gb, kind of hoping KlNGPlN would be 6gb, that's a bummer.
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input?
2013/12/02 19:31:20
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EVGA_JacobF Not this one no... announcement and info will be, but availability not until Jan.
Okay - thanks. I was getting this mixed up with the Classified which should be this month. If we buy the 780 TI Classified would it be possible to step up to this new, yet unannounced, card? Guess not: http://forums.evga.com/tm.aspx?m=2069979
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input?
2013/12/02 19:31:34
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fergusonll Expected classified to have 3gb, kind of hoping KlNGPlN would be 6gb, that's a bummer.
Agreed, that's quite disappointing to hear. The 'if/when' words from Jacob are also leading me to believe it isn't likely, or certainly not until much later? In which case, the Maxwell iterations may well be out by then? Ugh. Thank you for the updates as always though, Jacob.
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input?
2013/12/02 19:39:55
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EVGA_JacobF Sorry... As of today 6GB is reserved for TITAN only, so no work is being done on any EVGA 6GB 780 Ti right now... that could change in the future but no ETA if/when.
Thanks for letting us know Jacob. Unfortunately I have no use for 3GB VRAM, no matter how awesome the GPU might be. Kinda sucks...
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input?
2013/12/02 20:00:05
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EVGA_JacobF Sorry... As of today 6GB is reserved for TITAN only, so no work is being done on any EVGA 6GB 780 Ti right now... that could change in the future but no ETA if/when.
Thanks for letting us know Jacob. Unfortunately I have no use for 3GB VRAM, no matter how awesome the GPU might be. Kinda sucks...
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input?
2013/12/02 20:55:49
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Sounds like this might be a good alternative to a "790" though which doesn't exist. If it did, both 790 GPUs would be underclocked slightly and have 3GB (each) anyway. This might put you into the same territory with one GPU. And, this product will actually exist soon. :) I can see it filling in somewhat...
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input?
2013/12/02 21:25:10
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Thanks for the update and info Jacob!! Much appreciated :)
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input?
2013/12/02 21:36:15
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chris-nyc "780 Ti K|ngp|n Edition"? Don't y'all remember when you paid over $1000 for a Titan because it was the "fastest card on Earth" for about 10 minutes? lol The 800's are coming soon. Just sayin'. ;)
And if you're an early adopter of a brand new process you usually get screwed. When the process is more mature and there is a refresh, that's when it's the right time to buy. 4xx Fermi? Very, very hot and power hungry, whereas the 5xx GPUs were a great refresh of Fermi. 6xx Kepler? LOL @ the handicapped low-bit memory bus and it was voltage locked. Again, the 7xx GPUs are an incredibly sexy refresh of Kepler. Is there a noticeable pattern? So, we don't have a release date for the foreseeable future on Maxwell (only rumors that constantly change) and we can expect an immature process/driver to not be that great right from the start. That means now is the time to buy.
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input?
2013/12/02 23:54:26
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Crap. I cancelled that Superclocked Ti order cause I thought the Kingpin or Classy was coming out this week. Now they are sold out of the Superclocked Ti's. Worst luck. Now I got $1k on standby. hahahha.
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input?
2013/12/03 01:43:01
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I swear I would bought GTX780Ti K|ngp|n today even if Maxwell is next week. I always like special single full unlocked cards as GTX580 Classified Ultra. She came almost before series 6xx, few months after other models but real enthusiasts don't look on reference models and performance only. I still never had chance to keep in hand GTX580 Classified Ultra. Now is late and I have one EVGA 580 fermi but I hope I will buy this new real successor of that card. I mean if we look last in generation. Fermi most powerfull (580 Classified ULTRA) and Kepler most powerful (780Ti Classified K|ngp|n).
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input?
2013/12/03 01:46:05
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EVGA_JacobF Sorry... As of today 6GB is reserved for TITAN only, so no work is being done on any EVGA 6GB 780 Ti right now... that could change in the future but no ETA if/when.
So, is GTX 780 Ti Classified w/ ACX Cooler coming this middle of December? I wasn't planning for K|NGP|N anyway, but just say...I am fine with 3GB card, I will be playing and video editing on 1080p using ALL Nvidia technologies combined together...3GB will be enough for that (correct me if i am wrong here, since I will be also using 3D and I am aiming at 30FPS minimum on all games - Is GTX 780 Ti Classified will be enough strong to hold that?)
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input?
2013/12/03 01:57:23
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For me is important and enough and this 1. unlocked GK110 full potential 2. longer voltage slider 3. EVGA custom PCB 8+8 pin more than 10 phases 4. Classified design ACX cooler and K|ngp|n sign
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input?
2013/12/03 02:05:25
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Vlada011 For me is important and enough and this 1. unlocked GK110 full potential 2. longer voltage slider 3. EVGA custom PCB 8+8 pin more than 10 phases 4. Classified design ACX cooler and K|ngp|n sign
You mean a Classified w/ ACX Cooler which is K|ngP|n 6GB?
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input?
2013/12/03 02:22:31
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Vlada011 For me is important and enough and this 1. unlocked GK110 full potential 2. longer voltage slider 3. EVGA custom PCB 8+8 pin more than 10 phases 4. Classified design ACX cooler and K|ngp|n sign
You mean a Classified w/ ACX Cooler which is K|ngP|n 6GB?
The 780ti won't be 6 GB, Jacob already said this.
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input?
2013/12/03 02:23:29
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Yes I mean Classified card with ACX cooler, but 6GB is still not confirmed, I don't believe until I see. Everything is possible. Most important things are sign from best overclocker and EVGA, unlocked chip ( everything what GK110 can give us), voltage control with more space for OC, bigger and more powerful PCB with more phases and 16pin power connectors and ACX cooler off course I'm completely satisfied with him. That thing are every important more than 6GB for me. I can't say for other people because they play on bigger resolution. I would choose 6GB rather than 3GB if I had option for both but any of option I say are more important than that.
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input?
2013/12/03 02:25:37
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Vlada011 Yes I mean Classified card with ACX cooler, but 6GB is still not confirmed, I don't believe until I see. Everything is possible. Most important things are sign from best overclocker and EVGA, unlocked chip ( everything what GK110 can give us), voltage control with more space for OC, bigger and more powerful PCB with more phases and 16pin power connectors and ACX cooler off course I'm completely satisfied with him. That thing are every important more than 6GB for me. I can't say for other people because they play on bigger resolution. I would choose 6GB rather than 3GB if I had option for both but any of option I say are more important than that.
ok. np
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input?
2013/12/03 02:28:55
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Yes I read that because of that I sad you never know. Maybe they launch after 2 months. I doubt. I have non stop in minds what says people who tested R9-290X with 4GB, they are not better even in situation where more memory play big role over NVIDIA with 3GB. After that I'm calmer, I was worried little before that. But I mean what can happen to me for next 24 months where AA and Anisotropic filters need more than 3GB. And filters are for me most important things in gaming.
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input?
2013/12/03 02:34:39
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Vlada011 Yes I read that because of that I sad you never know. Maybe they launch after 2 months. I doubt. I have non stop in minds what says people who tested R9-290X with 4GB, they are not better even in situation where more memory play big role over NVIDIA with 3GB. After that I'm calmer, I was worried little before that. But I mean what can happen to me for next 24 months where AA and Anisotropic filters need more than 3GB. And filters are for me most important things in gaming.
AA and Anisotropic filters? Wait back up. Is this another Nvidia texture technology, if yes, I agree, it is more important than 3GB...
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input?
2013/12/03 02:43:22
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Ok I just read it... So yup, they seem both like a better option to go for in a 3D vision usage...
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input?
2013/12/03 06:45:31
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chris-nyc "780 Ti K|ngp|n Edition"? Don't y'all remember when you paid over $1000 for a Titan because it was the "fastest card on Earth" for about 10 minutes? lol The 800's are coming soon. Just sayin'. ;)
And if you're an early adopter of a brand new process you usually get screwed. When the process is more mature and there is a refresh, that's when it's the right time to buy. 4xx Fermi? Very, very hot and power hungry, whereas the 5xx GPUs were a great refresh of Fermi. 6xx Kepler? LOL @ the handicapped low-bit memory bus and it was voltage locked. Again, the 7xx GPUs are an incredibly sexy refresh of Kepler. Is there a noticeable pattern? So, we don't have a release date for the foreseeable future on Maxwell (only rumors that constantly change) and we can expect an immature process/driver to not be that great right from the start. That means now is the time to buy.
Touché. You may have a point. I just think it's a bit ridiculous how they keep dangling a new carrot at the end of the stick every 2 months. First it was Titan, then 780, then dual bios, then Ti, now Classified, next K|ngp|n. Each was a marginal improvement over the last, and each was priced as if it were a new revolution in technology. You can see how I might get inurred to the constant propaganda, right? At the rate they're going, I'm going to second-guess every impulse to purchase from now on because there's probably something better just around the corner (says the guy who dropped over $900 for two 770's that just 3 months later barely qualify as "mid-range" anymore)
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input?
2013/12/03 07:14:54
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chris-nyc Touché. You may have a point. I just think it's a bit ridiculous how they keep dangling a new carrot at the end of the stick every 2 months. First it was Titan, then 780, then dual bios, then Ti, now Classified, next K|ngp|n. Each was a marginal improvement over the last, and each was priced as if it were a new revolution in technology. You can see how I might get inurred to the constant propaganda, right? At the rate they're going, I'm going to second-guess every impulse to purchase from now on because there's probably something better just around the corner (says the guy who dropped over $900 for two 770's that just 3 months later barely qualify as "mid-range" anymore)
Oh, I agree. It's absolutely ridiculous. ;) I was holding out for the power of a 780Ti with 6GB (or the rumored Titan Ultra), but since that might not even be coming I just went ahead and grabbed two (might make it three) 780Ti 3GB models and that should keep me happy until at least the refresh of Maxwell when we get to see its true potential. I've been hanging on to my three GTX 580 3GB models for 2.5 years now and I felt it was time for an upgrade.
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input?
2013/12/03 07:23:24
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How anyone can complain that GPU makers are cranking out loads of different offerings, especially in an industry which has been in decline for the past several years, is well beyond my scope of reasoning. Maybe if you guys had the willpower to stop purchasing every $700 GPU that is released to market, you'd have less buyers (or pre-orderers) remorse, but to ask the industry to stop iterating GPU's? Your absolutely nuts.
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input?
2013/12/03 07:30:12
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srtie4k How anyone can complain that GPU makers are cranking out loads of different offerings, especially in an industry which has been in decline for the past several years, is well beyond my scope of reasoning. Maybe if you guys had the willpower to stop purchasing every $700 GPU that is released to market, you'd have less buyers (or pre-orderers) remorse, but to ask the industry to stop iterating GPU's? Your absolutely nuts.
Wrong. Cranking out loads of different offerings and innovating is good. Cranking out something "new & improved" at some new ridiculous price point every 2 months is milking your demographic for everything they're worth. In the long run it's going to backfire on them, just watch. Anyway, now back to your normally scheduled accolades.........
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input?
2013/12/03 08:05:15
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chris-nyc Wrong. Cranking out loads of different offerings and innovating is good. Cranking out something "new & improved" at some new ridiculous price point every 2 months is milking your demographic for everything they're worth. In the long run it's going to backfire on them, just watch. Anyway, now back to your normally scheduled accolades.........
Think about what you're saying. You're making the assumption that their demographic are stupid sheep that mindlessly buy without thinking. Now re-read the part about me asking you whether you have the willpower to refrain from buying every $700 GPU that comes out. If you do have that willpower, then you've got nothing to complain about. If you don't, well you're one of those sheep who mindlessly waste money, and you might need to do some soul searching to figure out why you spend $700 every couple months on the same thing. Either way, it's not EVGA's fault that tech people buy mindlessly the same way that most dumb Americans do. EVGA is simply fulfilling demand. Any company would do the same thing, just look at Apple as a prime example.
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input?
2013/12/03 09:18:10
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srtie4k Think about what you're saying. You're making the assumption that their demographic are stupid sheep that mindlessly buy without thinking. Now re-read the part about me asking you whether you have the willpower to refrain from buying every $700 GPU that comes out. If you do have that willpower, then you've got nothing to complain about. If you don't, well you're one of those sheep who mindlessly waste money, and you might need to do some soul searching to figure out why you spend $700 every couple months on the same thing. Either way, it's not EVGA's fault that tech people buy mindlessly the same way that most dumb Americans do. EVGA is simply fulfilling demand. Any company would do the same thing, just look at Apple as a prime example.
My issue with the GPU market is similar to chris-nyc's, in that we're practically left in the dark for the entire duration wondering if there's going to be a better GPU that we'd rather spend our money on. Should I buy now? Will there be 6GB 780Tis? Will there be a Titan Ultra? Will there be a special ultra-enthusiast K|ngp|n edition with 6GB? Nobody outside of "the industry" knows any real information and unless you can squeeze said information out of someone who does know (like Jacob), the GPU industry rarely tells you a damn thing until it's 30 days from its street date. At what point do you think EVGA decided to create this special 780Ti Classified K|ngp|n version of the card? I don't see that announced with the rest of the 780 stuff. I doubt they walked into they office two weeks ago and had this brilliant idea suddenly hit them from left field to create this ultra-enthusiast card. Do you think that the GPU market would make as much as it does if it actually told us from day one how many special tiers they expected to release from day one? Hell no. How many people would have skipped the Titan if they had known only 9 months later their $1,000 GPU would be in the shadow of a $700 GPU? Assuming you don't need the compute or > 3GB of VRAM -- Which most gamers don't -- Then I would say there were plenty of people who ended up selling their Titans at a loss to buy a new set of GPUs. At least when dealing with CPUs we have a roadmap that each manufacturer shows everyone long in advance letting you know the estimated time of arrival and its features, chipset, etc. It's not 100% accurate all of the time (delays happen), but at least I know that the X99 chipset is expected in 2H 2014 with Haswell-E 8-core processors -- And Intel gave us this info months ago. What's in store for Maxwell? Who knows. What's in store for the remainder of Kepler? Who knows. I'm going to be pretty upset if there's a 6GB model of the 780Ti in 3 months that was kept a secret from everyone this entire time.
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input?
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If you feel that EVGA is not conducting business the way you like them to, I've got a fantastic solution for you - don't buy from them! If enough people agree that they way they operate is not in the customer's best interest, they'll change their ways to lure those customers back. As it stands however, they have such a lucrative market with iterative GPU's that it makes no sense to change course. People rebuy the same hardware with slightly faster clocks every couple of months, and they're happy to do that, so if anything it's the consumers that have the problem, not EVGA. All EVGA is doing is supplying that demand for cards every few months. EVGA has carved out a niche for itself in that respect. You can't blame them for that, and if you don't agree with it, go elsewhere to Asus or someone else who only makes 1 or 2 cards in each step.
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input?
2013/12/03 09:45:38
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srtie4k If you feel that EVGA is not conducting business the way you like them to, I've got a fantastic solution for you - don't buy from them! If enough people agree that they way they operate is not in the customer's best interest, they'll change their ways to lure those customers back. As it stands however, they have such a lucrative market with iterative GPU's that it makes no sense to change course. People rebuy the same hardware with slightly faster clocks every couple of months, and they're happy to do that, so if anything it's the consumers that have the problem, not EVGA. All EVGA is doing is supplying that demand for cards every few months. EVGA has carved out a niche for itself in that respect. You can't blame them for that, and if you don't agree with it, go elsewhere to Asus or someone else who only makes 1 or 2 cards in each step.
+1 All the whining is getting old. If you don't like it, then don't buy it......but if you DO buy it, know that something better is coming along sooner rather than later.
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input?
2013/12/03 10:00:46
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srtie4k If you feel that EVGA is not conducting business the way you like them to, I've got a fantastic solution for you - don't buy from them! If enough people agree that they way they operate is not in the customer's best interest, they'll change their ways to lure those customers back. As it stands however, they have such a lucrative market with iterative GPU's that it makes no sense to change course. People rebuy the same hardware with slightly faster clocks every couple of months, and they're happy to do that, so if anything it's the consumers that have the problem, not EVGA. All EVGA is doing is supplying that demand for cards every few months. EVGA has carved out a niche for itself in that respect. You can't blame them for that, and if you don't agree with it, go elsewhere to Asus or someone else who only makes 1 or 2 cards in each step.
+1 All the whining is getting old. If you don't like it, then don't buy it......but if you DO buy it, know that something better is coming along sooner rather than later.
That is always the case, no matter what you buy.. There is always going to be something better down the road.... This is the way technology works.. :)
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input?
2013/12/03 13:17:56
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srtie4k As it stands however, they have such a lucrative market with iterative GPU's that it makes no sense to change course. People rebuy the same hardware with slightly faster clocks every couple of months, and they're happy to do that, so if anything it's the consumers that have the problem, not EVGA. All EVGA is doing is supplying that demand for cards every few months.
Oh, it's absolutely the customers' faults for encouraging this 'new product every 30 days' schedule. And I agree that it's the nature of tech that there is always going to be something better down the road; it's just that "down the road" used to mean more than 30 days. In the longer run it's going to make customers wary of buying at all. Mark my words.
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input?
2013/12/03 14:43:21
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lehpronSeeing how the hints given were so vague and could mean anything, people choose to settle on best case scenario ideas based on hope and hype alone; EVGA just isn't responsible for all that. Unfortunately, these spoiled brats will blame EVGA for not getting what they thought when there is absolutely no indication in those pictures. I'm not sure where you're coming from, but look at my posts I've always have and always will stand behind EVGA. I've never blamed them for a single thing, just commenting on a post, if it so happens to be a backplate(speculation only) then so be it. - If you've read my posts, you would not have voluntarily assumed I was talking about you when I used the phrase "these spoiled brats" in third-person just because my quoted post followed some coincidental sequence. Perhaps you're used to being treated that way and attempted to anticipate, but that just means you didn't know where I was coming from.
- Mentioning that you stand by EVGA doesn't help your case as I don't buy into brand loyalty period. I see it as useless emotionalism which does not affect random quality control and development processes that are out of EVGA's hands entirely. I do however tend to side with companies that know what they are doing ahead of customers that typically lack the big picture and don't care for anything but their own interests; also in most of my posts, just so you know where I'm coming from.
Seeing how JabobF has repeatedly mentioned that there are no 6GB cards planned other than Titan, I'd like to hope you will see who I could be talking about when they complain about not getting what they wanted when there was no indication or low demand-- per my original point. chris-nyc The 800's are coming soon. Just sayin'. ;) Be careful what you wish for (Hint: 9600GT). I realize enthusiast status quo assumes the best scenario while ignoring the worst case and acting surprised when it comes, but I'm just saying too. Considering that nVidia brought GTX780 Ti as a response to the threat AMD's R9-290/290X posed to GTX780and only if they know of another AMD R9 variant approaching (one that hasn't appeared in rumors yet) that may threaten GTX780 Ti and Titan, there is no hurry to make a faster reference model than Titan/780 Ti. This is all deja vous; back in fall 2007, nVidia countered the threat than AMD's HD3850 posed on a void left between 8600GTS and 8800GTS with a midrange 9-series debut: 9600GT. nVidia broke tradition, high-end didn't come first-- we're in this situation right.
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