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Observations regarding my EVGA RTX 3090 FTW3 Ultra when overclocking

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2021/01/15 08:44:19 (permalink)
So I got my 3090 FTW3 Ultra on January 7th. Shipped from Newegg. 
Keep in mind I was well prepared for this card. I have a Corsair HXi1200W PSU that I purchased in 2016. Never been pushed hard, as the fan has never even come on. i9-10900K @ 5.0ghz manual overclock @ 1.25v. Cooled by a bequiet Dark Rock 4. 32gb of DDR4 @ 3200mhz all on a Asus Maximus XII Hero motherboard z490. 
 
So I did what most people do: overclock it. Set the power limit to 107% (not the full 110) and started to apply steady overclocks. Once I got to +100core/+400memory I found that I was stable there in all my games. 
 I had bought Cyberpunk 2077 when it released and at that time I was playing it on my 2080 super just fine prior. 
 
Everything went well with my 3090 for about 3 days. I have my entire system plugged into a UPS so I can clearly see system wattage use. I noticed some very interesting variations and spikes in wattage. With my GPU overclocked entire system wattage would fluctuate from 590 to 710w at one point! My 3090 started to crash. I'm not talking about my system turning off or anything or even a driver crash. I was using MSI afterburner and my RTX was only getting up to 71 degrees...so it wasn't temperature. My CPU was in the upper 60s so it wasn't that either. I would play Cyberpunk and my system would just literally black screen. No bsod at first. With the black screen my system was still running fine, just no output, no mouse output, nothing. Because of this, I ruled out my PSU being the culprit because if it was my system would have simply shut off. The next few days I started to get BSODs that were not power related so that further strengthened my idea that it wasn't my PSU going out or not able to handle it. The BSODs were never Nvidia driver related though. I ran memtest just to be sure and nothing. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
While researching I stumbled upon a video from JayZTwoCents talking about the 'MTCC and POSCAPs' issue with the RTX 3090 and 3080 AIB boards. Basically, if your card has just the POSCAPs it will have issues with overclocks approaching or over the 2.0ghz range. This was fascinating to me. So I examined my FTW3 to see and I confirmed that my GPU has the POSCAPs instead of the MTCC. Infact....my FTW3 has ALL POSCAPs on the back. After researching this....I fired up Cyberpunk again and using Afterburner kept my overclock which was putting my RTX OVER 2.0ghz. Sure enough.....my FTW3 was crashing when my GPU boosted to over 2.0ghz in Cyberpunk. I would get a freeze and a black screen almost immediately after that. I was able to replicate this 5 times in a row. What did I do? I lowered the overclock to factory settings and set the power level to default. NO crashes, No bsods, nothing. Overclock it to over 2.0ghz...crashes again with the computer still running but no output. 
 
ONLY WITH THE POSCAPS:

 
 
 
POSCAPS WITH THE MTCC:

 
 
 
My conclusion: JayZTwoCents was right. If you ONLY have the POSCAPs on your FTW3 and overclock it heavily chances are high it will not be able to do it. 
 
 
 
Just my experience so far. At normal 'OUT OF THE BOX' clocks my RTX 3090 FTW3 ULTRA is fine. These are just my observations. 
 
 
post edited by Ascalaphus - 2021/01/15 08:54:31
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    AJ Zany
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    Re: Observations regarding my EVGA RTX 3090 FTW3 Ultra when overclocking 2021/01/15 16:01:21 (permalink)
    You're referring to poscaps vs MLCC.  I highly doubt your card has all POSCAPS.  Evga recognized this issue before launching the 3080.  I would imagine your 3090 would have gotten the same treatment, unless you somehow have a pre-production card.  
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    Re: Observations regarding my EVGA RTX 3090 FTW3 Ultra when overclocking 2021/01/15 16:02:55 (permalink)
    It's referenced in this forum thread.

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    Re: Observations regarding my EVGA RTX 3090 FTW3 Ultra when overclocking 2021/01/15 16:08:06 (permalink)
    There are exactly zero 3080/3090s out there with POSCAPs. They are SPCAPs.
     
    And no, 3090 FTW3 cards have two groups of MLCCs in the middle, and SPCAPs flanking them on either side. If you card does have all SPCAPs, you might want to make sure that it's actually an authentic EVGA card. Contact EVGA: https://www.evga.com/about/contactus/ 
     
    It is not the cause of crashes, even if you had all SPCAPs - Der Bauer proved this by replacing an all SPCAP card with all MLCC that he soldered in, and gained exactly 30Mhz on his max overclock - and nothing else.
     
    The black screen issue has cropped up for a lot of people, and an RMA is likely the fix. However, you might want to make sure that you didn't install any new software that might be causing an issue (example: some reports of iQue causing issues with Nvidia's audio driver, even when it's not used).
    post edited by arestavo - 2021/01/15 16:16:35
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    Re: Observations regarding my EVGA RTX 3090 FTW3 Ultra when overclocking 2021/01/15 18:35:39 (permalink)
    My 3080 FTW3 has the ceramic chip caps in the middle two positions and the EVGA X1 OC scanner says its only stable at +75 core, +200 mem (max voltage and power, 450w bios), which is stable on RDR2 in 4K, known to be a tough load.  However I've passed Timespy with 2,265mhz with cold air and locking at 1.1V.  
     
    https://www.3dmark.com/spy/16605955
     
    Anyway, your results are totally normal for cyberpunk unless you're running it at 1080P medium settings or something like that.  Try the higher power bios and the OC scanner.
    post edited by kevinc313 - 2021/01/15 18:38:38
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    Re: Observations regarding my EVGA RTX 3090 FTW3 Ultra when overclocking 2021/01/15 19:11:18 (permalink)
    arestavo
    There are exactly zero 3080/3090s out there with POSCAPs. They are SPCAPs.
     
    And no, 3090 FTW3 cards have two groups of MLCCs in the middle, and SPCAPs flanking them on either side. If you card does have all SPCAPs, you might want to make sure that it's actually an authentic EVGA card. Contact EVGA:  
     
    It is not the cause of crashes, even if you had all SPCAPs - Der Bauer proved this by replacing an all SPCAP card with all MLCC that he soldered in, and gained exactly 30Mhz on his max overclock - and nothing else.
     
    The black screen issue has cropped up for a lot of people, and an RMA is likely the fix. However, you might want to make sure that you didn't install any new software that might be causing an issue (example: some reports of iQue causing issues with Nvidia's audio driver, even when it's not used).




    Yeah. You know what you are absolutely right! LOL. Apparently I didn't look close enough. My fault! Dumb thread sorry guys!!
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