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2020/09/30 18:15:03 (permalink)
 
He says it's the exact same card equivalent but doesn't name the evga model.  Same controlled testing conditions
 

 
 

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    Re: Nvidia 3080 FE running 15c cooler than Evga 3080 equivalent 2020/09/30 18:19:14 (permalink)
    I don't understand how people can be surprised by a non-blower card heating up the inside of a case more than a blower card does. Especially in a case without fans on the side sucking cold air right onto the GPU.

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    Re: Nvidia 3080 FE running 15c cooler than Evga 3080 equivalent 2020/09/30 18:21:28 (permalink)
    You are comparing an apple to an orange...
    If your case sucks at cooling the FE will be better for you as it pushes a higher % of the heat out of the case.
    However if your case is really good at getting rid of heat the EVGA card will be better as its better at removing heat from the card...but if your case can't export that heat...then you have an issue.
     
    It's not that the FE is better it's that it's designed with poor case cooling in mind.
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    Re: Nvidia 3080 FE running 15c cooler than Evga 3080 equivalent 2020/09/30 18:24:17 (permalink)
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    You are comparing an apple to an orange...
    If your case sucks at cooling the FE will be better for you as it pushes a higher % of the heat out of the case.
    However if your case is really good at getting rid of heat the EVGA card will be better as its better at removing heat from the card...but if your case can't export that heat...then you have an issue.
     
    It's not that the FE is better it's that it's designed with poor case cooling in mind.


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    Re: Nvidia 3080 FE running 15c cooler than Evga 3080 equivalent 2020/09/30 18:28:18 (permalink)
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    You are comparing an apple to an orange...
    If your case sucks at cooling the FE will be better for you as it pushes a higher % of the heat out of the case.
    However if your case is really good at getting rid of heat the EVGA card will be better as its better at removing heat from the card...but if your case can't export that heat...then you have an issue.
     
    It's not that the FE is better it's that it's designed with poor case cooling in mind.


    ^^This




    I see the FE card as better over all for cooling.  It is pretty much silent, and runs cooler than the 3 fan evga cards.  It also removes hot air from the case.  You have to admit, Nvidia got the stock cooling down this time around.
     
    I also expect this to be proven even on test bench.  Time will tell if people can actually buy a card.

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    Re: Nvidia 3080 FE running 15c cooler than Evga 3080 equivalent 2020/09/30 20:11:00 (permalink)
    The FE is awesome. Please tell EVERYONE! I would encourage anyone interested in it to get it.
     
    Now move out of the way I need to practice my F5 skills for a FTW3 Ultra...

     
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    Re: Nvidia 3080 FE running 15c cooler than Evga 3080 equivalent 2020/09/30 20:26:17 (permalink)
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    However if your case is really good at getting rid of heat the EVGA card will be better as its better at removing heat from the card...but if your case can't export that heat...then you have an issue.
     
    It's not that the FE is better it's that it's designed with poor case cooling in mind.




    Wasn't my experience with the Super 2080 Black.  I got a p400a with [originally] a total of 5 fans in the system, 3 x 120 noctua at the front, 1 x 140 noctua in the ceiling and a rear 120 noctua, had it set up for perfect positive air pressure and this case was rated as one of the best for case cooling, and the 2080 Super still was pushing 80c+ and throttling while the case showing around 35c internal temps. (Nothing overlocked in system, Video card underclocked by 100mhz too)
     
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    Re: Nvidia 3080 FE running 15c cooler than Evga 3080 equivalent 2020/09/30 20:57:30 (permalink)
    Seems to be very situational since in this test he uses a CPU heatsink cooler. That puts the FE blowing air right into a fan on the CPU and then out the back. If the CPU used a CLC it wouldn't have the fan it's blowing into and would totally change the airflow in the case.

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    Re: Nvidia 3080 FE running 15c cooler than Evga 3080 equivalent 2020/10/01 03:37:19 (permalink)
    It’s 100% true. I have a very well ventilated full size case (780t) and my 3090 XC3 runs 85c unless I pull the side panel off, which then runs at 80c. They really messed up on the XC3 models cooler.
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    Re: Nvidia 3080 FE running 15c cooler than Evga 3080 equivalent 2020/10/01 04:29:29 (permalink)
    It's going to be between the FE and FTW3 for me, whichever i can get sooner. Will pass on the XC3 versions.

    Salty after selling my RTX 2080 thinking i'd be able to buy a 3080 before 2021 and spend the EVGA bucks from folding to help with the upgrade... Joke's on me
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    Re: Nvidia 3080 FE running 15c cooler than Evga 3080 equivalent 2020/10/01 04:41:49 (permalink)
    This test is so flawed it's pathetic, and so many people in that video keep proclaiming the FE superior "because this dumb test that JayzNoSense came up with says so!".
    You can't just lock them at the same fan speeds and act like that's all there is to it, because noise level matters also.  The FTW should be able to ramp up to a higher speed with less noise and equalize, or come close to equalizing to the same temps, and even possibly cooler if your case was already set up for positive pressure, and having your CPU on air vs water makes a difference too.  It's already been shown on GN that the FE is not the best thermally.
     
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    You are comparing an apple to an orange...
    If your case sucks at cooling the FE will be better for you as it pushes a higher % of the heat out of the case.
    However if your case is really good at getting rid of heat the EVGA card will be better as its better at removing heat from the card...but if your case can't export that heat...then you have an issue.
     
    It's not that the FE is better it's that it's designed with poor case cooling in mind.


    ^^This




    I see the FE card as better over all for cooling.  It is pretty much silent, and runs cooler than the 3 fan evga cards.  It also removes hot air from the case.  You have to admit, Nvidia got the stock cooling down this time around.
     
    I also expect this to be proven even on test bench.  Time will tell if people can actually buy a card.



    Except that they actually didn't.  The bottom of the barrel Gigabyte outperforms it.  If the EVGA cards really are getting that hot, then they did screw up somewhere in their cooling design.  Might be all of the "e"s on every fan that they like to claim "helps" to cool more, when all they are there for is because it's "e"vga branding.
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    Re: Nvidia 3080 FE running 15c cooler than Evga 3080 equivalent 2020/10/01 04:46:05 (permalink)
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    Seems to be very situational since in this test he uses a CPU heatsink cooler. That puts the FE blowing air right into a fan on the CPU and then out the back. If the CPU used a CLC it wouldn't have the fan it's blowing into and would totally change the airflow in the case.


    And there you go he has terrible old style cpu cooling...probably has substandard case cooling too...   I have never had any video card evga or other overheat any of my cases ever while not overclocked.   And typically can run both the card and cpu overclocked for years with no issues.
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    Re: Nvidia 3080 FE running 15c cooler than Evga 3080 equivalent 2020/10/01 04:46:40 (permalink)
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    This test is so flawed it's pathetic, and so many people in that video keep proclaiming the FE superior "because this dumb test that JayzNoSense came up with says so!".
    You can't just lock them at the same fan speeds and act like that's all there is to it, because noise level matters also.  The FTW should be able to ramp up to a higher speed with less noise and equalize, or come close to equalizing to the same temps, and even possibly cooler if your case was already set up for positive pressure.  It's already been shown on GN that the FE is not the best thermally.


    Jay and Jacob already talked about this on Twitter, confirming this was NOT a way to test the XC3 but a way to show how FE Cooler would work with a certain amount of heat. That doesn't mean XC3 was pushed to the best of its cooler abilities. In fact, one of his previous videos on open test bench he said it was around 60 / 65°C while being quieter than the FE. 
     
    But the best would be to wait for more extensive reviews of XC3 / FTW3 that should take place in the next days / weeks anyway. With more data we'll get more accuracy. When I saw this video at first I was worried but by crossing videos of himself and others I quickly was reassured that the test was not to demonstrate anything probative about the XC3. 
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    Re: Nvidia 3080 FE running 15c cooler than Evga 3080 equivalent 2020/10/01 05:24:34 (permalink)
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    This test is so flawed it's pathetic, and so many people in that video keep proclaiming the FE superior "because this dumb test that JayzNoSense came up with says so!".
    You can't just lock them at the same fan speeds and act like that's all there is to it, because noise level matters also.  The FTW should be able to ramp up to a higher speed with less noise and equalize, or come close to equalizing to the same temps, and even possibly cooler if your case was already set up for positive pressure.  It's already been shown on GN that the FE is not the best thermally.


    Jay and Jacob already talked about this on Twitter, confirming this was NOT a way to test the XC3 but a way to show how FE Cooler would work with a certain amount of heat. That doesn't mean XC3 was pushed to the best of its cooler abilities. In fact, one of his previous videos on open test bench he said it was around 60 / 65°C while being quieter than the FE. 
     
    But the best would be to wait for more extensive reviews of XC3 / FTW3 that should take place in the next days / weeks anyway. With more data we'll get more accuracy. When I saw this video at first I was worried but by crossing videos of himself and others I quickly was reassured that the test was not to demonstrate anything probative about the XC3. 


    65c? seriously which video are you talking about, as far as i know jay even does not dare to show to temp & rpm & power in gpuz/hwinfo.


     
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    Re: Nvidia 3080 FE running 15c cooler than Evga 3080 equivalent 2020/10/01 05:31:05 (permalink)
    https://youtu.be/yq7ef7sKryg?t=561 ;) 
    He talked about upping a bit the fan % above 55% (default profile). 
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    Re: Nvidia 3080 FE running 15c cooler than Evga 3080 equivalent 2020/10/01 05:38:43 (permalink)
    These 2-slot Evga coolers are better than people give them credit for, if set up properly, but at 300w+, poor airflow and lower fan speeds the card is going to get hot.
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    Re: Nvidia 3080 FE running 15c cooler than Evga 3080 equivalent 2020/10/01 05:42:17 (permalink)
    Huntercyril
    https://youtu.be/yq7ef7sKryg?t=561 ;) 
    He talked about upping a bit the fan % above 55% (default profile). 


    i wish jay would make a video about fair comparison between fe and xc3, by showing us all raw data in exact unit rather than %.
     
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    These 2-slot Evga coolers are better than people give them credit for, if set up properly, but at 300w+, poor airflow and lower fan speeds the card is going to get hot.


    no wonder this xc3 is the best evga has ever made for entry level. but given such compact size of it, it is difficult for ppl to believe in it. there are lots of 2.5/2.7/3 slots cards.
    post edited by evgauser28764 - 2020/10/01 05:44:45
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    Re: Nvidia 3080 FE running 15c cooler than Evga 3080 equivalent 2020/10/01 05:46:18 (permalink)
    I have got my 3090 FTW3U too high temp due to AIO CLC which is broken by bad setup
     
    tubes upside, pump is at the top position, that is not good for CLC
    and my card is nearly 90C in RDR2,CPU is nearly 100C in 3Dmark 

     

     

     
    Removed the M2 PCIE CARD is not usefully, it just down 5C 
     
    After i Bought the new aio and change some fans,the temp is always below 73C
     


     

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    It’s 100% true. I have a very well ventilated full size case (780t) and my 3090 XC3 runs 85c unless I pull the side panel off, which then runs at 80c. They really messed up on the XC3 models cooler.




     
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    Re: Nvidia 3080 FE running 15c cooler than Evga 3080 equivalent 2020/10/01 05:48:25 (permalink)
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    https://youtu.be/yq7ef7sKryg?t=561 ;) 
    He talked about upping a bit the fan % above 55% (default profile). 


    i wish jay would make a video about fair comparison between fe and xc3, by showing us all raw data in exact unit rather than %.


    Same fan RPM target can get different noise accoustic depending on how the fan is set up, the fan size, what even is the fan type (high static pressure vs high airflow). I made the same mistake thinking that at first too. But yeah, we lack good and in-depth datas. The best bet would be to wait for GamersNexus to do a review on XC3 or FTW3 as he already said earlier when reviewing the Gigabyte Eagle that he'll review many more custom cards to compare. 
     
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    Re: Nvidia 3080 FE running 15c cooler than Evga 3080 equivalent 2020/10/01 06:42:29 (permalink)
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    I have got my 3090 FTW3U too high temp due to AIO CLC which is broken by bad setup
     
    tubes upside, pump is at the top position, that is not good for CLC
    and my card is nearly 90C in RDR2,CPU is nearly 100C in 3Dmark 

     

     

     
    Removed the M2 PCIE CARD is not usefully, it just down 5C 
     
    After i Bought the new aio and change some fans,the temp is always below 73C
     


     

    IWafflesI
    It’s 100% true. I have a very well ventilated full size case (780t) and my 3090 XC3 runs 85c unless I pull the side panel off, which then runs at 80c. They really messed up on the XC3 models cooler.




     




    Great Info.  If you want the best GPU temps, you need to top mount your AIO (exhausting).
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    Re: Nvidia 3080 FE running 15c cooler than Evga 3080 equivalent 2020/10/01 07:10:53 (permalink)
    https://youtu.be/Pl28NSuYMQc?t=452
    7:32
     
    82C, open test bench.
    post edited by evgauser28764 - 2020/10/01 07:29:26
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    Re: Nvidia 3080 FE running 15c cooler than Evga 3080 equivalent 2020/10/01 07:20:37 (permalink)
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    https://youtu.be/Pl28NSuYMQc?t=452
    7:32
     
    82C, open tech bench.




    Totally normal for the stock bios fan settings.
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    Re: Nvidia 3080 FE running 15c cooler than Evga 3080 equivalent 2020/10/01 07:36:03 (permalink)
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    komicaaa
    I have got my 3090 FTW3U too high temp due to AIO CLC which is broken by bad setup
     
    tubes upside, pump is at the top position, that is not good for CLC
    and my card is nearly 90C in RDR2,CPU is nearly 100C in 3Dmark 

     

     

     
    Removed the M2 PCIE CARD is not usefully, it just down 5C 
     
    After i Bought the new aio and change some fans,the temp is always below 73C
     


     

    IWafflesI
    It’s 100% true. I have a very well ventilated full size case (780t) and my 3090 XC3 runs 85c unless I pull the side panel off, which then runs at 80c. They really messed up on the XC3 models cooler.




     




    Great Info.  If you want the best GPU temps, you need to top mount your AIO (exhausting).


    I will have to agree about top mounting the radiator if possible.
    I have a top mounted Kraken, and my cpu temp is 34c when not under load.
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    Re: Nvidia 3080 FE running 15c cooler than Evga 3080 equivalent 2020/10/01 07:59:32 (permalink)
    I'll stick to reviews languages I can understand because I can miss informations about his testing protocole. Though I'm not sure he really has one since he's putting his parts on the ground / table, and not in a real dedicated open test bench. That doesn't inspire trust / seriousness to me. You don't need a test bench to get results but that goes a long way to be seen as " real " tests in my opinion. To look more professional and to look more like he knows what he's doing and not just launching a bunch of games and calling that testing. You need to follow strict protocoles, because ambiant air might have risen or is already above some value, etc.

    But the killer being that he's using "2K" to describe "1440p" which is a big no-no to me, people should know better than to let marketing say false things :/ 
     
    I'm not criticizing him or anything to be clear I respect the time he spent, I just won't trust his results based on what I can see on his video. I'll wait patiently other reviews I know I can understand, trust and follow a protocole. 
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    Re: Nvidia 3080 FE running 15c cooler than Evga 3080 equivalent 2020/10/01 09:23:54 (permalink)
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      I have never had any video card evga or other overheat any of my cases ever while not overclocked.   And typically can run both the card and cpu overclocked for years with no issues.




     
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    Re: Nvidia 3080 FE running 15c cooler than Evga 3080 equivalent 2020/10/01 09:30:07 (permalink)
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     terrible old style cpu cooling...




    I can personally guarantee you that there is nothing "terrible old school" about be silent black rock cpu coolers.  My CPU was hitting 88c under load and I put a dark rock slim on it [half the size of the one in the video] with one silent wings fan blowing at normal bios speed, can barely hear it. and my CPU temps now stay under 50c under load. 
     
    When I transitioned from 7700k to 10700k a few days back, I was able to be re-use the slim as they are compatible with LGA 1200 and even cooler, around 45c under load (the 5c less could be fresh paste of course, but still awesome)
     
     

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    Re: Nvidia 3080 FE running 15c cooler than Evga 3080 equivalent 2020/10/01 09:35:59 (permalink)
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    Great Info.  If you want the best GPU temps, you need to top mount your AIO (exhausting).




    Didn't you tell me to front intake mine? :P  Or maybe that was Jack...

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    Re: Nvidia 3080 FE running 15c cooler than Evga 3080 equivalent 2020/10/01 09:48:25 (permalink)
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    Totally normal for the stock bios fan settings.






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    Re: Nvidia 3080 FE running 15c cooler than Evga 3080 equivalent 2020/10/01 09:58:05 (permalink)
    The FE cooler really stepped up their game.
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    Re: Nvidia 3080 FE running 15c cooler than Evga 3080 equivalent 2020/10/01 17:32:36 (permalink)
    Huntercyril
    I'll stick to reviews languages I can understand because I can miss informations about his testing protocole. Though I'm not sure he really has one since he's putting his parts on the ground / table, and not in a real dedicated open test bench. That doesn't inspire trust / seriousness to me. You don't need a test bench to get results but that goes a long way to be seen as " real " tests in my opinion. To look more professional and to look more like he knows what he's doing and not just launching a bunch of games and calling that testing. You need to follow strict protocoles, because ambiant air might have risen or is already above some value, etc.

    But the killer being that he's using "2K" to describe "1440p" which is a big no-no to me, people should know better than to let marketing say false things :/ 
     
    I'm not criticizing him or anything to be clear I respect the time he spent, I just won't trust his results based on what I can see on his video. I'll wait patiently other reviews I know I can understand, trust and follow a protocole. 



    Jayz' channel is one of the more popular ones for PC stuff, but it's mainly because he does an OK job at giving layman explanations to the masses.  He tends to generalize too much though and also blurts out random assumptions if he doesn't have the proper data ahead of time, only to have to backpedal later when those assumptions are called out for being incorrect, and shown why.  If someone is first getting into building their own rigs, or they just want to know this stuff to know what to look for when buying a prebuilt or just general upkeep, or basic overclocking, he gives some decent basic advice.  Beyond that though, people should look elsewhere.

        
     
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