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2020/08/04 04:03:49 (permalink)
Hey so I had a quick question for anyone who has this card

I just got my 1660 super dual fan within the last week. Unless I’m playing an old game or a 2D game my gpu always runs hot and the fan gets fast. Messing with max power in precision x1 and setting it to 80% helps a bit. But even then the lower I can get the temps is 74c and that’s at 65-70% fan speed and the fans sound like a jet taking offf.

I tested Witcher 3, outer world, raft, GTA5, and Deus ex. Deus Ed seemed to struggle with heat the least sticking at 70c and fan in the 70s.

The kicker is my old gets 760 that replaced with this stays cooler in the same exact games. Even at the same settings -obviously not running as well when I would raise the settings-

My case is a NR400 micro atx. My CPU is is running fine temperature wise. And honestly my evga 760 sc ran better heat and fan speed wise.
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    Re: New 1660 super extremely hot 2020/08/04 07:43:52 (permalink)
    You are comparing 2 different generations of cards with completely different GPU dies. The 16/20 series does run a bit hotter than previous generations. This would be like comparing a late 80s Bronco to the ones they just announced. Mid 70s is perfectly fine for the card, its when you creep in to the mid to high 80s is where it should be a concern. Do you have a picture of your set up and the orientation of the fans? Keep in mind you are more than welcome to re paste the unit with higher quality thermal compound as this will not void the warranty unless you physically damage it doing so (and please avoid liquid metal). I personally have a tempered glass micro ATX case as well and when the card is blowing heat on to the glass it tends to stick there raising the temps so it's a bit of a trade off with smaller ATX cases with glass sidings. 
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    Re: New 1660 super extremely hot 2020/08/04 10:02:47 (permalink)
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    You are comparing 2 different generations of cards with completely different GPU dies. The 16/20 series does run a bit hotter than previous generations. This would be like comparing a late 80s Bronco to the ones they just announced. Mid 70s is perfectly fine for the card, its when you creep in to the mid to high 80s is where it should be a concern. Do you have a picture of your set up and the orientation of the fans? Keep in mind you are more than welcome to re paste the unit with higher quality thermal compound as this will not void the warranty unless you physically damage it doing so (and please avoid liquid metal). I personally have a tempered glass micro ATX case as well and when the card is blowing heat on to the glass it tends to stick there raising the temps so it's a bit of a trade off with smaller ATX cases with glass sidings. 


    My only comparison, other than reviewers saying they got 69 when stress testing, really was my 760 and when I called technical support they said that my newer gpu should run better since it was stronger. They seemed to find it weird that a newer gpu was getting hotter on the same settings. I would even then games down to the lowest setting and it would get hot. Like I said 70s are what I get if I force my card to run less on x1. I was reaching 80 degrees and extremely fast rpms whenever I had it at stock settings.

    I can post pics. my cooling set up is 2 intake fans one 120mm pointed more towards my hdd since it’s a separate section of the case, and one noctua 140mm. I have one intake fan on the back and one on top. My cpu is running a h212 evo. There was more space around the cpu when I had a stock cooler but that didn’t change anything temp wise. Opening my case for air doesn’t seem to change much
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    Re: New 1660 super extremely hot 2020/08/04 10:09:23 (permalink)
     
     
     
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    Re: New 1660 super extremely hot 2020/08/04 12:05:10 (permalink)
    Not too much room for air flow there. Are you overclocking the CPU at all? As heat rises, it appears the massive CPU cooler is restricting the heat coming off of the back plate. Do you have another system or access to one that has a bit more room, possibly a friend or family member with a full atx case? The PSU, when under load can you put your hand on the top of the metal and when you do, is it warm to the touch? It appears to be blocked off, is the fan facing down on it as well? 

     
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    Re: New 1660 super extremely hot 2020/08/04 12:15:29 (permalink)
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    Not too much room for air flow there. Are you overclocking the CPU at all? As heat rises, it appears the massive CPU cooler is restricting the heat coming off of the back plate. Do you have another system or access to one that has a bit more room, possibly a friend or family member with a full atx case? The PSU, when under load can you put your hand on the top of the metal and when you do, is it warm to the touch? It appears to be blocked off, is the fan facing down on it as well? 


    Nothing is overclocked. As I noted I was running my 760 in here for a while and playing the exact same games at the exact same settings. The gpu idles at high temps as well. The second I turn on any game it tries to force itself to max power and max memory. I’ve had to force limit this as if I just keep it at stock it will blow into the lower mid 80s.


    The cpu cooler is new as well. I installed it yesterday and it did nothing to my gpu temperatures only installed it because the stock fan was annoying, even before my cpu temps were good. My psu doesn’t feel hot when running and never really did. The gpu is literally the only part running hot.
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    Re: New 1660 super extremely hot 2020/08/04 13:23:22 (permalink)
    Disassemble it (no need to take off the backplate) and apply new TIM to the GPU chip..Spread a thin, even layer over the whole chip making sure to cover it entirely..If you go with conventional thermal paste, go with new Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut Extreme, or the original Kryonaut..Then see how it rolls, but 74C isn't out of line and certainly isn't 'extremely hot', it's far from 'extremely hot'.

    See Why does my EVGA graphics card run hot? in the EVGA FAQs..It's a little dated but still holds true.

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    Re: New 1660 super extremely hot 2020/08/06 03:42:55 (permalink)
    Temps look exactly what you'd get in that case and environment.  It's nothing to worry about. 
     
    Don't expect to get the same temps as reviewers since they could be in well ventilated cases while in lower ambient room temps.

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    Re: New 1660 super extremely hot 2020/08/06 18:06:10 (permalink)
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    Temps look exactly what you'd get in that case and environment.  It's nothing to worry about. 
     
    Don't expect to get the same temps as reviewers since they could be in well ventilated cases while in lower ambient room temps.


    I guess I’m just shocked. Playing anarcute a small low graphic indie game and my gpu is at high temp 70% fan speed when I force the power down to 80%. It was 80 degrees otherwise which seem crazy to me for such a low graphic game...
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    Re: New 1660 super extremely hot 2020/08/07 02:29:21 (permalink)
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    Opening my case for air doesn’t seem to change much



    It's not an airflow issue then..Applying new TIM to the GPU chip (easy) like I said in Post #7 above would be the thing to do and see if it matters..Sometimes the factory TIM doesn't get applied properly.

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    Re: New 1660 super extremely hot 2020/08/07 05:57:49 (permalink)
    If you are running into a lot of stress on a GOU while playing a low graphics indie game, that most likely shows the game isn’t optimized like it could be. I know this doesn’t directly deal with your concern, but that concern is a game developer issue and not necessarily a GPU issue.

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    Re: New 1660 super extremely hot 2020/08/11 08:35:14 (permalink)
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    Temps look exactly what you'd get in that case and environment.  It's nothing to worry about. 
     
    Don't expect to get the same temps as reviewers since they could be in well ventilated cases while in lower ambient room temps.


    I guess I’m just shocked. Playing anarcute a small low graphic indie game and my gpu is at high temp 70% fan speed when I force the power down to 80%. It was 80 degrees otherwise which seem crazy to me for such a low graphic game...



    Like Bob says, change your paste.  Also raise up you bottom front fan and dress your cables neatly so they don't disrupt air flow.
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    Re: New 1660 super extremely hot 2020/08/11 09:36:37 (permalink)
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    Hey so I had a quick question for anyone who has this card

    I just got my 1660 super dual fan within the last week. Unless I’m playing an old game or a 2D game my gpu always runs hot and the fan gets fast. Messing with max power in precision x1 and setting it to 80% helps a bit. But even then the lower I can get the temps is 74c and that’s at 65-70% fan speed and the fans sound like a jet taking offf.

    I tested Witcher 3, outer world, raft, GTA5, and Deus ex. Deus Ed seemed to struggle with heat the least sticking at 70c and fan in the 70s.

    The kicker is my old gets 760 that replaced with this stays cooler in the same exact games. Even at the same settings -obviously not running as well when I would raise the settings-

    My case is a NR400 micro atx. My CPU is is running fine temperature wise. And honestly my evga 760 sc ran better heat and fan speed wise.

    Micro ATX cases and cooler temps on your system well... that's one of the disadvantages of stuffing 500 watts of electronics in a small space with small airflow. Could you give us a better idea of how your case is set up for air flow? We might have some ideas to lower your temps. Given your temps are not rocketing up, the GPU is brand new, I doubt changing paste would have any effect.

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    Re: New 1660 super extremely hot 2020/08/11 10:08:11 (permalink)
    I've just received GTX 1660 with same cooler after RMAing my GTX1060 and really... this cooler is weird to say at least, imo it's broken.
    1) NO COOLING on VRM- I mean man... I know it's relatively low tdp card with 3 good drmos (NCP302155) but this is ramping the fans imo as they have to spin really fast to cool those drmoses with just airflow (that's the only explanation for that high rpm and noise despite GPU core being relatively cool)
    2) VRAM cooling is hilarious- what the heck... 9mm of thermalpads, this is pointless from thermal conductivity standpoint.. there is enough room for small radiators or just a plate... 
    3) Compare the size of radiator of GTX1060 SC or FTW with 1660 SC (dual fan)... You've got one heatpipe less and a lot less surface area on newer card, no wonder it's like a jet engine.
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    Re: New 1660 super extremely hot 2020/08/11 12:13:51 (permalink)
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    I've just received GTX 1660 with same cooler after RMAing my GTX1060 and really... this cooler is weird to say at least, imo it's broken.
    1) NO COOLING on VRM- I mean man... I know it's relatively low tdp card with 3 good drmos (NCP302155) but this is ramping the fans imo as they have to spin really fast to cool those drmoses with just airflow (that's the only explanation for that high rpm and noise despite GPU core being relatively cool)
    2) VRAM cooling is hilarious- what the heck... 9mm of thermalpads, this is pointless from thermal conductivity standpoint.. there is enough room for small radiators or just a plate... 
    3) Compare the size of radiator of GTX1060 SC or FTW with 1660 SC (dual fan)... You've got one heatpipe less and a lot less surface area on newer card, no wonder it's like a jet engine.



     
    Yeah that does seem a bit...umm...sub optimal...

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    Re: New 1660 super extremely hot 2020/08/13 11:20:18 (permalink)
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    I've just received GTX 1660 with same cooler after RMAing my GTX1060 and really... this cooler is weird to say at least, imo it's broken.
    1) NO COOLING on VRM- I mean man... I know it's relatively low tdp card with 3 good drmos (NCP302155) but this is ramping the fans imo as they have to spin really fast to cool those drmoses with just airflow (that's the only explanation for that high rpm and noise despite GPU core being relatively cool)
    2) VRAM cooling is hilarious- what the heck... 9mm of thermalpads, this is pointless from thermal conductivity standpoint.. there is enough room for small radiators or just a plate... 
    3) Compare the size of radiator of GTX1060 SC or FTW with 1660 SC (dual fan)... You've got one heatpipe less and a lot less surface area on newer card, no wonder it's like a jet engine.



     
    Yeah that does seem a bit...umm...sub optimal...


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    Re: New 1660 super extremely hot 2020/08/13 11:46:19 (permalink)
    EVGA GeForce GTX 1660 Super SC Ultra Review - TechPowerUp
     
    "Interesting design choice. Not only did EVGA use thermal pads as thick as pencil erasers, but they stacked two of these up near the main cluster of memory chips to reach between the two flattened heat pipes. Perhaps they did this to disperse retention force, rather than convey heat. Now, this thick thermal pad of course doesn't transfer heat from the memory chips to the heatsink all that well as a lot of heat will migrate through the BGA solder balls and into the PCB instead." (bottom of page)

    And I was thinking the same thing since there's no heatsink for them..That's real weird..I would take the things outta there and see how it rolls..Seems to me they would just act like insulation and retain heat.

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    Re: New 1660 super extremely hot 2020/08/13 13:25:14 (permalink)
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    "Interesting design choice. Not only did EVGA use thermal pads as thick as pencil erasers, but they stacked two of these up near the main cluster of memory chips to reach between the two flattened heat pipes. Perhaps they did this to disperse retention force, rather than convey heat. Now, this thick thermal pad of course doesn't transfer heat from the memory chips to the heatsink all that well as a lot of heat will migrate through the BGA solder balls and into the PCB instead." (bottom of page)

    And I was thinking the same thing since there's no heatsink for them..That's real weird..I would take the things outta there and see how it rolls..Seems to me they would just act like insulation and retain heat.



    They do conduct something but as GDDR5 chips are Flip-chip BGA most of the heat is conducted back to the pcb... and then we have a metal backplate... without any thermalpads... I wonder why they didn't slice the ones from GDDR chips and stick them in between pcb and backplate, it'd more :D 
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    Re: New 1660 super extremely hot 2020/08/13 22:18:38 (permalink)
    yeah gamers nexus was like **** thats 9mm of thermal tape with now bracket normally the thermal tape should not exceed .5mm with a plate to transfer the heat.  general this is what everyone does but EVGA somehow cheaped out. for some reason.  They should do right and fix this issue for everyone or replace all are cards with ones that do not overheat.
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    Re: New 1660 super extremely hot 2020/08/13 22:26:03 (permalink)
    its funny about the whole airflow thing because Linus tech tips has an old video where they had to shove a T-shirt into the case filled with Boxes to get the airflow impeded. and they tested bad cable management will do nothing to impede airflow because air will flow around those spots do to the way pressure works.  and even them it only increased it marginly but not enough to themal throttle a card unless overclocked.
     
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    Re: New 1660 super extremely hot 2020/08/13 23:16:46 (permalink)
    My guess on this is that Evga had left over coolers they could use, or a sku that would fit this card from another, and used it instead of paying for the r/d and factory setup of another whole style for a cost effective low/middle of the road card. As long as the gpu itself is cooled well, the mem dont matter as much on this sku. Like you guys mentioned about the ram being a bga type part and the pcb pulling the heat, the air that will flow over them should be enough to cool them between the two. Now, the putting 9mm of TIM tape on there isnt about cooling the chips but making sure the cooler sits solid and securely by taking up the gap the gpu may cause sitting a bit higher since this cooler isnt designed for this card,imo anyway. Thats what im thinking anyway, cause youd never see this on a high end hot running card, so easy cheap solution and it works.

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