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what i have now... Asus p6x58d (x16 x16 x1) possible x16 x8 x8 not sure yet gotta look into it but i think it does core i7 930 6 gb 2000 mhz ram kingston 2x 9800 gtx+ 850 watt psu corsair currently going to throw it in another build cuz i think ill need 1000+ for 2 - 3 480s probably going to buy a corsair 1000w psu if you guys think it can handle 2x 480s ok so if i get 2 480s: can i do 3 monitors? and use 3d mode? if i use 2 monitors will i lose performance? would it be a waste of money to get 3 480s? wouldnt the only reason i would want 3 of them be to use 3 monitors? i am considering setting myself up to be 3d ready but its not the most important thing... basically i need to justify the purchase so i dont screw it up gpus confuse me the most... i would like to basically know the difference between me using 2 - 3 monitors and 2-3 gpus and how it will effect performance 3x 480s + 3x 120hz monitors x16 x8 x8 will that perform the same as 2x480s? only difference is im able to add 3rd monitor? see im confused please help ty in advance
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Re:Need help deciding with gtx 480
2010/03/31 12:14:21
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well, so far GPUs havent really been able to utilize all the bandwidth with teh 2.0 spec. So x8 2.0 i believe is teh same as x16 1.0. From what ive heard you might lose a couple frames, no where near enough to worry.
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Re:Need help deciding with gtx 480
2010/03/31 12:15:25
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if your mobo supports 16x 8x 8x then yes you can do 3x gtx 480s. the loss of 16x to 8x on the 2nd/3rd PCIe slots are known only to have a loss of about 2% compared to full 16x lanes. I'm sure that 2% is lower given these cards would be in SLI in the 2nd/3rd slots with the 1st at the full 16x. you will need a bigger PSU as you indicated. verify your mobo will switch from 16x/16x/1x to 16x/8x/8x. http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GTX_480_PCI-Express_Scaling/24.html
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Re:Need help deciding with gtx 480
2010/03/31 12:20:04
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For 2x 480 you're fine with your 850w unit. For 3 monitors you need SLI. So yes you can do 3 monitors and have 3d. Keep in mind you need 120Hz monitors for 3D. And all of them the same. And last but not least you need the new drivers from Nvidia. There will be a performance hit due to the resolution and to the 3d that's for sure. I don't know about TriSLI of 480. Haven't seen a review to tell you if the gains will be worth it. Also the GTX 480 doesn't take to much of a performance hit when running at x8. See link!
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Re:Need help deciding with gtx 480
2010/03/31 12:20:19
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also can u take advantage of 3d with 2 monitors? if i get 2 monitors i was thinking about getting non 120 hz and also i have a mid tower case, should i get a full tower if i am planning on getting 2 - 3 gtx 480s
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Re:Need help deciding with gtx 480
2010/03/31 12:22:33
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yes, my mother board does support either x16 x16 x1 or x16 x8 x8
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Re:Need help deciding with gtx 480
2010/03/31 12:24:51
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Re:Need help deciding with gtx 480
2010/03/31 12:27:07
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I have read a number of reviews comparing x16 vs x8 and the difference is very minimal, almost unnoticable.
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Re:Need help deciding with gtx 480
2010/03/31 12:27:08
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so would the ultimate combo here be 3x 480s with 3 120hz monitors? oh yeah and if i decide to get a realssd c300 crucial solid state drive, can i run them in raid 0 i have heard u guys talking about bottlenecks im new to that term but wondering if it would effect the overall performance and what not so basically taking my mobo what is the ultimate combo: 2 x sata 6 gb/s ports (crucial realssd considering it) x16 x16 x1 or x16 x8 x8 lets say u have to top this board out at its max potential what would u do and why?
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Re:Need help deciding with gtx 480
2010/03/31 12:28:36
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oh and by the way thank you for all of the fast responses you guys are great here a forum i went to yesterday for diamond ring for gf no responded for 24 hours it was aggravating so thx (not trying to go off topic just relating speed of members here to other forums replys its great!!)
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Re:Need help deciding with gtx 480
2010/03/31 12:28:38
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You wont be able to do 3d without the monitors being 120hz. Also dont think that because you have a tv and its "120hz" it'll work. Not all of them will work with the 3d vision kit.
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Re:Need help deciding with gtx 480
2010/03/31 12:32:22
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th3bru1s3r what i have now... Asus p6x58d (x16 x16 x1) possible x16 x8 x8 not sure yet gotta look into it but i think it does core i7 930 6 gb 2000 mhz ram kingston 2x 9800 gtx+ 850 watt psu corsair currently going to throw it in another build cuz i think ill need 1000+ for 2 - 3 480s probably going to buy a corsair 1000w psu if you guys think it can handle 2x 480s That all looks good, 850W is probably sufficient for 2x480, as Nvidia recommends 600W total system power and additional 250W for another GTX 480. If you want more headroom to be safe, 1000W would be perfect. ok so if i get 2 480s: can i do 3 monitors? and use 3d mode? if i use 2 monitors will i lose performance? Yes, you need at least 2 cards in SLI for Nvidia 3D Vision Surround due to a limitation on how many TMDS transmitters are on each physical card. There's only 2 on each, so you need additional cards to drive more monitors up to 3 so far. That means 3x1080p displays max in 3D for now. 3D @ 1080p is a limitation of current video formats, as Dual-link DVI can't pass more than 1920x1080x120. DisplayPort and HDMI 1.4 can handle higher frequency and bandwidth, but there's no true 120Hz displays on the market that currently support this. If you use 2 monitors and both displays are displaying rendered graphics, then yes you will lose performance, roughly half based on resolution alone. If you game in 3D, that effectively cuts your FPS in half also, so if you were getting 120FPS, in 3D you might see 60FPS. Gaming in Nvidia surround basically increases GPU requirements 3-fold, so if you have 3x1080p monitors, that's about 3x the GPU power necessary compared to a single 1080p panel, not counting frame buffer (VRAM) considerations. If you take that further and go 3D Vision, that will again, effectively cut your FPS in half, so 3D Vision Surround on 3x1080p monitors will roughly increase GPU requirements 6-fold compared to a single 1080p monitor. So yes, the GPU requirements are quite insane really, I personally think it will take at least 2x480 in SLI to run most games reasonably well in 3DVS (3x1080p in 3D) based on my experiences with 2x280 in SLI gaming at 1080p (1x1080p in 3D). From what I've read/heard from other users, Nvidia is currently supporting 3xSLI in 3D in Beta, and will officially support it later, so if you are looking at 3DVS at 1080p, you may very well want to go with that 3rd card as I'm sure any additional performance will be appreciated at that resolution and setting. I'm currently looking at 2x470 SLI or 480 SLI just for a single 1080p panel in 3D, it may very well be overkill though, but there are some games where my GTX 280 SLI could use more frames in 3D Vision. Edit: As mentioned by above, 3D Vision requires true 120Hz LCD panels that currently cost $400-$500 each for a 23-24" LCD. Nvidia Surround (multi-monitor, no 3D) can be a mix of any 60Hz panels at the same resolution.
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Re:Need help deciding with gtx 480
2010/03/31 13:02:07
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ok thank you for responses, so if i decide to go 3x 480 i will probably need a 1200 watt psu and if i go 2x 480 it is recommended to get the 1000 watt im just clarifying what i think i learned correct me if im wrong and i was still wondering about the SATA III ( 6gb/s) adding 2 of those will that effect anything with the graphics cards ... bottlenecking i think is the word for it so the best build i can possibly due is: 3x gtx 480s 2x crucial realssd c300 in raid 0 3x 120hz monitors exact same 1200 watt psu will this work? (apocalypsell how did u know i had a 120hz samsung tv ;D ) 2nd choice of product: 1 or 2 hanns g 1920 x 1080 monitors 2x gtx 480s x16 x16 1000 watt psu 2 crucial realssd c300 in raid 0 what i be better off just getting 1 solid state drive because of bottlenecking? money is not an issue here keep in mind i might just get 1 monitor now and add 2 more later and of course i want the gpus to be evga my current one r and i love them plus great C.S. the bottom line (finale question) IF YOU WERE IN MY SHOES... WHAT WOULD U BUY IF MONEY WASNT AN ISSUE WITH THIS MOBO AND U HAD UR SITES ON GTX 480? gpu(s)? monitors (120hz or not)? psu? hard drive(s)?
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Re:Need help deciding with gtx 480
2010/03/31 13:17:34
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Re:Need help deciding with gtx 480
2010/03/31 13:30:36
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th3bru1s3r IF YOU WERE IN MY SHOES... WHAT WOULD U BUY IF MONEY WASNT AN ISSUE WITH THIS MOBO AND U HAD UR SITES ON GTX 480? gpu(s)? monitors (120hz or not)? psu? hard drive(s)? Keep in mind, standard 60Hz LCDs and fake 120Hz or 240Hz LCD TVs will *NOT* work with 3D Vision, here's a list of the currently compatible TVs: http://www.nvidia.com/object/3D_Vision_Requirements.html I've read early reports that even the new 3D capable displays from Panasonic and Samsung do not work with 3D Vision, you have to use different software in conjunction with their native hardware. As for buying priority, here's what I'd do: 1) GTX 480 2) 120Hz 1080p LCD + 3D Vision kit 3) GTX 480 4) Corsair SSD 5) New PSU 6) 2x120Hz for 3 total for 3D Vision Surround 7) 1200W PSU (bump to #4 if needed) 8) GTX 480 9) 2nd Corsair SSD
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Re:Need help deciding with gtx 480
2010/03/31 13:54:38
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thx helps a lot surprises me that most 120hz stuff will not work... i have a 40 inch samsung led 120hz in my bedroom guess that wont work so what would the performance increase be percentage wise if you went from 2x 480 @ x16 x16 to 3x 480 @ x16 x8 x8 with one monitor at 1920x1080? not 120hz
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Re:Need help deciding with gtx 480
2010/03/31 13:59:52
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th3bru1s3r thx helps a lot surprises me that most 120hz stuff will not work... i have a 40 inch samsung led 120hz in my bedroom guess that wont work Nope. It's a very unfortunate side-effect of somewhat "deceptive advertising" by the entire electronics industry. There's a difference between a 120Hz LCD that actually processes two full 60Hz input signals and then outputs a total of 120Hz and an LCD that accepts a single 60Hz input and then interpolates frames to output an image at 120Hz or 240Hz. The latter is NOT compatible with 3d Vision. For 3d Vision to work, your monitor has to be able to receive two distinct images, each at a full 60Hz, and then output them both at a full 60Hz. It's really ridiculously confusing and unfortunate, but the nvidia System Requirements page is kept up to date. If it's not on that page, it's not compatible with 3d Vision.
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Re:Need help deciding with gtx 480
2010/03/31 14:08:41
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chris-nyc It's really ridiculously confusing and unfortunate, but the nvidia System Requirements page is kept up to date. If it's not on that page, it's not compatible with 3d Vision. Amen.. Even the CRT screens have phosphors in them.. Ever hear of ghosting with shutterglasses? It's been a problem for 10+ years and a big reason why 3D vision has never really happened.. CRT monitor makers wanted to have the brightest displays and to do that they put phosphers in the screens that glow long after the first refresh pass.. So the monitor ends up refreshing on top of a glow that existed from the previous refresh and just like that, you've got ghosting.. A lot of the so called "120 Hz" LCD screens do a similar injustice where they're constantly in a phase of blending one frame into the next which totally breaks 3D vision where you're trying to display two very different frames.. There are some exceptions out there, some CRT screens don't have phosphurs in them and some LCDs that really push 120 Hz have not been 3D certified and might work well if you turn off all of the TV's motion processing functions.. But as a general rule, if it's not 3D vision certified, assume it won't work.. I've got 3D vision working on a CRT and the glow from the phosphers prevents me from cranking up the depth.. I can crank up the convergence (pop-out) effect pretty good though without any ghosting.. I plan on buying a Asus 27" 1080p 120 Hz 3D vision certified monitor when they come out this summer..
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