EVGA

Ivy Bridge Support?

Author
xilo92
New Member
  • Total Posts : 4
  • Reward points : 0
  • Joined: 2010/08/18 16:19:53
  • Status: offline
  • Ribbons : 0
2012/04/13 08:12:07 (permalink)
I am using a P67 SLI Micro, great mobo has kept my i5 2500k stable at 4.8ghz for months.
Curious if P67 will get a bios update to support ivy bridge? If so what exactly is the advantage to switch to Z77 aside from PCIe3?

Thanks :)
#1

19 Replies Related Threads

    ZelmoQuad
    SSC Member
    • Total Posts : 732
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2005/12/01 21:04:51
    • Location: Columbus, OH
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 6
    Re:Ivy Bridge Support? 2012/04/13 13:58:38 (permalink)
    I didn't write this but found these excerpts from other articles. I think 3.0 is no big whoop.
     
     
    PCIe 3.0
     
    PCIe 3.0 is the next evolution of the PCI Express I/O standard. At 8GT/s bit rate, the interconnect bandwidth is doubled over PCIe 2.0.
     
    The PCIe 2.0 bit rate is specified at 5GT/s, but with the 20 percent performance overhead of the 8b/10b encoding scheme, the delivered bandwidth is actually 4Gbps. PCIe 3.0 removes the requirement for 8b/10b encoding and uses a more efficient 128b/130b encoding scheme instead. By removing this overhead, the interconnect bandwidth can be doubled to 8Gbps with the implementation of the PCIe 3.0 specification. This bandwidth is the same as an interconnect running at 10GT/s with the 8b/10b encoding overhead. In this way, the PCIe 3.0 specifications deliver the same effective bandwidth, but without the prohibitive penalties associated with 10GT/s signaling:
     
     
     
     
      
    At the launch of Intel's LGA-2011 based Sandy Bridge E CPU there was finally had a platform capable of supporting PCI Express 3.0, but the market lacked a GPUs to test it. That all changed this past week as the Radeon HD 7970, the world's first 28nm GPU with support for PCIe 3.0, was tested.
     
    The move to PCIe 3.0 increases per-lane bandwidth from 500MB/s to 1GB/s. For a x16 slot that means doubling bandwidth from 8GB/s under PCIe 2.1 to 16GB/s with PCIe 3.0. As seen in earlier reviews, there's hardly any difference between PCIe 2.1 x8 and x16 for modern day GPUs. The extra bandwidth of PCIe 3.0 wasn't expected to make any tangible difference in gaming performance and in our 7970 tests, it didn't.   
     
    The PCIe 4.0 specifications  are expected to be available sometime in the 2014-2015 timeframe.
     
    The bit rate for the PCIe 4.0 specification will be 16GT/s.  All studies confirmed the potential feasibility of 16GT/s signaling with low-cost enablers.
    post edited by ZelmoQuad - 2012/04/13 14:08:17

    HAF X Nvidia-ASUS IV Formula/i7 3930K OC'd 4.7/C-M Nepton 280L/MZ-75E1T0B-AM/16G Corsair Dominator GT  2133C9/GTX1080-SLI/CM SPM2 1500W on Asus 27", 165Hz
     
    HAF XM- ASUS Maximus-V Gene/3770K/Kuhler 920/Samsung MZ-7TE1TBW, 500GB/8G Corsair Rampage 1600 XMP/GTX690/CM V1000 1000W

    Stryker -Wht - ASUS Rampage V Extreme USB 3.1/i7 5930K  OC'd to 4.4MHz/EVGA CLC 280/  16GB GSKILL 16G-F4-3200Q/GTX1080Ti-SLI/Samsung MZ-7TE1T0B, 500GB/EVGA 1200P2, G510 Keyboard & Nostromo/MadCatz MMO 7/Windows 10 Pro  64-bit
    #2
    xilo92
    New Member
    • Total Posts : 4
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2010/08/18 16:19:53
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 0
    Re:Ivy Bridge Support? 2012/04/13 14:24:31 (permalink)
    So basically if there is a bios update to support ivy bridge I can keep my mobo
    And be fine, sounds good
    #3
    KenMcC
    CLASSIFIED Member
    • Total Posts : 3329
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2010/07/02 07:02:23
    • Location: Garland, TX
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 21
    Re:Ivy Bridge Support? 2012/04/14 11:55:40 (permalink)
    JacobF EVGA product mgr, posted there will be updated BIOS.  I cannot find that post right now.   IF you can't find it, just PM JacobF or MatthewH for the time frame. 

    KenMcC
    Z170 Classy K; i7-6700 CPU,
    Corsair CMK16GX4M2A2400C14
    Seasonic SSR-360GP 360W;
    Samsung 950 Pro M.2 256 GB 
    Samsung 850 Evo 500 GB SATA
    Samsung 850 Evo 256 GB SATA
    Samsung SSD 840 Series 250 GB SATA
     
    Samsung 860 EVO 1 TB SATA
    Windows 10 x64 Prof.  
    #4
    KenMcC
    CLASSIFIED Member
    • Total Posts : 3329
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2010/07/02 07:02:23
    • Location: Garland, TX
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 21
    Re:Ivy Bridge Support? 2012/04/27 12:45:55 (permalink)
    Matthew posted this reply on another Thread within last 24 hours:  "Working on it but no exact ETA yet. "  He also PMed me that the PCIe 3.0 support is almost 100% sure to be included in this  BIOS update. 

    KenMcC
    Z170 Classy K; i7-6700 CPU,
    Corsair CMK16GX4M2A2400C14
    Seasonic SSR-360GP 360W;
    Samsung 950 Pro M.2 256 GB 
    Samsung 850 Evo 500 GB SATA
    Samsung 850 Evo 256 GB SATA
    Samsung SSD 840 Series 250 GB SATA
     
    Samsung 860 EVO 1 TB SATA
    Windows 10 x64 Prof.  
    #5
    feniks
    CLASSIFIED ULTRA Member
    • Total Posts : 7983
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2008/08/02 22:07:39
    • Location: NYC
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 38
    Re:Ivy Bridge Support? 2012/04/27 13:59:39 (permalink)
    KenMcC

    Matthew posted this reply on another Thread within last 24 hours:  "Working on it but no exact ETA yet. "  He also PMed me that the PCIe 3.0 support is almost 100% sure to be included in this  BIOS update. 

     
    cool, great improvement for Z68 platform!

    #6
    snichols
    New Member
    • Total Posts : 31
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2011/07/14 15:37:37
    • Location: Florida
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 0
    Re:Ivy Bridge Support? 2012/04/28 06:13:08 (permalink)
    So are you saying that the z68 FTW will get a bios upgrade that will enable PCIe 3.0?

    P Score are for Babies. Who plays games @ 1280x720 Go for the X Score @ 1920x1080 Why benchmark your machine at anything less then what you play @?
    #7
    Johnny_Utah
    CLASSIFIED Member
    • Total Posts : 4546
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2008/02/13 16:26:04
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 8
    Re:Ivy Bridge Support? 2012/04/28 08:19:27 (permalink)
    snichols

    So are you saying that the z68 FTW will get a bios upgrade that will enable PCIe 3.0?

     
    That is correct, but you also need a PCI-E capable CPU and card..i.e. an Ivy Bridge model and 680.
    Not trying to condescending, I just have noticed many people don't understand this:)





     
     
    #8
    aries4life
    New Member
    • Total Posts : 6
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2011/05/23 17:42:31
    • Location: Florida
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 0
    Re:Ivy Bridge Support? 2012/04/28 09:18:54 (permalink)
    Raw bitrate at 2.x spec is 5.0GT/s
    As it is written, that is a hardware specification. The protocols used in the PCIe 2.x spec were inefficient to the tune of a 20% loss.
     
    Raw bitrate at 3.0 spec is 8.0GT/s
    As it is written, that is a hardware specification. The protocols used in the PCIe 3.0 spec are claiming approximately 100% efficiency.
     
    My interpretation of this data sheet is if a BIOS update, to a motherboard built to PCIe 2.x spec (hardware level), enabled PCIe 3.0 protocols then you would simply regain the 20% loss incurred by the older (soft) protocols. This would pull you up to 5Gbps from 4Gbps.
     
    What are the odds an EVGA rep/engineer could answer that one for me?

    Corsair Obsidian 800D case - Antec TPQ-1200 PSU - Gigabyte Z77X-UD5H motherboard - Intel 3770k - GSkill 2133 - EVGA GTX 680 Superclock - EK 680 waterblock - Swiftech Apogee XT waterblock, Swiftech MCP655 Pump, Swiftech 360mm radiator (push-pull fans), Phobya 5.25" res, 7/16"ID tubing - 2TB Seagate Barracuda M001 (OS) and 3TB Seagate Barracuda M001 (Storage)
    #9
    davevt31
    FTW Member
    • Total Posts : 1130
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2008/10/05 10:33:26
    • Location: Johnstown, NY
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 7
    Re:Ivy Bridge Support? 2012/04/28 09:36:27 (permalink)
    Also on the FTW boards, you wil NOT see PCIe 3.0 on the lanes that run through the NF200 chip, you will only get 3.0 on the lane that is handled by the Ivy CPU itself.


     
       
     
    #10
    KenMcC
    CLASSIFIED Member
    • Total Posts : 3329
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2010/07/02 07:02:23
    • Location: Garland, TX
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 21
    Re:Ivy Bridge Support? 2012/04/28 15:33:55 (permalink)
    Davevt31, you are correct no motherboard with NF200s can deliever more than PCIe 2.x on the output of the NF200s.   I would say,, just my understanding, is if all 16 PCIe lanes are switched to the First PCIe slot then PCIe 3.0 should be availbable to the GPU in that slot.  This does not mean I am correct, just that it makes sense. 

    KenMcC
    Z170 Classy K; i7-6700 CPU,
    Corsair CMK16GX4M2A2400C14
    Seasonic SSR-360GP 360W;
    Samsung 950 Pro M.2 256 GB 
    Samsung 850 Evo 500 GB SATA
    Samsung 850 Evo 256 GB SATA
    Samsung SSD 840 Series 250 GB SATA
     
    Samsung 860 EVO 1 TB SATA
    Windows 10 x64 Prof.  
    #11
    feniks
    CLASSIFIED ULTRA Member
    • Total Posts : 7983
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2008/08/02 22:07:39
    • Location: NYC
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 38
    Re:Ivy Bridge Support? 2012/04/28 17:58:52 (permalink)
    KenMcC

    Davevt31, you are correct no motherboard with NF200s can deliever more than PCIe 2.x on the output of the NF200s.   I would say,, just my understanding, is if all 16 PCIe lanes are switched to the First PCIe slot then PCIe 3.0 should be availbable to the GPU in that slot.  This does not mean I am correct, just that it makes sense. 


    yup, that's how it is. PCIe 3.0 will be available only to the primary GPU lane which is routed straight to CPU ... that is if CPU is Ivy Bridge.
    number of available lanes however will depend on the fact if other red slots are occupied or not. if not then all 16 lanes will be for primary GPU, if any other slot (for nf200) is occupied than only 8 lanes will be assigned to primary slot GPU.

    #12
    enigma96
    iCX Member
    • Total Posts : 367
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2007/05/01 17:05:13
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 0
    Re:Ivy Bridge Support? 2012/04/29 14:45:53 (permalink)
    Wait so if you have the Z68 SLI that too will also get PCI Express 3.0 support? And it will also get Ivy Bridge Cpu support? That would be great. That would mean I don't have to upgrade my motherboard only CPU :-)

    Intel I7 4790
    16GB Corsair
    Evga Gtx 780 Ftw
    Msi Z97 5                                                  
    Samsung 840 Pro
    Corsair Ax760
    Asus PB278Q
    Fractal R4
    #13
    KenMcC
    CLASSIFIED Member
    • Total Posts : 3329
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2010/07/02 07:02:23
    • Location: Garland, TX
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 21
    Re:Ivy Bridge Support? 2012/04/29 16:47:50 (permalink)
    Yes, but I do not know if in SLI what you get.  In my theory, you would get 1 slot of PCIe 3.0 x16 OR 2 Slots of PCIe 3.0 x8.  If you have GPU cards that are PCIe 2.2 , I would expect the PCIe buss would deliever at the PCIe 2.x rate / protocol at the same speeds given above for 1 or 2 Slots.   

    KenMcC
    Z170 Classy K; i7-6700 CPU,
    Corsair CMK16GX4M2A2400C14
    Seasonic SSR-360GP 360W;
    Samsung 950 Pro M.2 256 GB 
    Samsung 850 Evo 500 GB SATA
    Samsung 850 Evo 256 GB SATA
    Samsung SSD 840 Series 250 GB SATA
     
    Samsung 860 EVO 1 TB SATA
    Windows 10 x64 Prof.  
    #14
    feniks
    CLASSIFIED ULTRA Member
    • Total Posts : 7983
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2008/08/02 22:07:39
    • Location: NYC
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 38
    Re:Ivy Bridge Support? 2012/04/29 17:19:47 (permalink)
    KenMcC

    Yes, but I do not know if in SLI what you get.  In my theory, you would get 1 slot of PCIe 3.0 x16 OR 2 Slots of PCIe 3.0 x8.  If you have GPU cards that are PCIe 2.2 , I would expect the PCIe buss would deliever at the PCIe 2.x rate / protocol at the same speeds given above for 1 or 2 Slots.   


    that should be correct, except PCIe 3.0 will technically be available to primary red slot only (routed straight to CPU) and any other red slot (routed to NF200) will be still physically limited to PCIe 2.0.
     
    ... that being said, if you install an Ivy Bridge CPU and drop2x 680 cards in SLI, placing one in primary slot and second one below it then you will get:
    a) primary red running PCIe 3.0 x8
    b) secondary red (either of them) running PCIe 2.0 x8 (native lanes, it could synthetic 16x in fact)
     
    I'd say, stick to single GPU 6xx series card on Z68 (installed in top red slot only) after upgrading to IVB CPU or the penalty coming from NF200 will kill the performance somewhat (not sure how significantly in real life though, more testing needed).
     

    post edited by feniks - 2012/04/30 10:27:47

    #15
    feniks
    CLASSIFIED ULTRA Member
    • Total Posts : 7983
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2008/08/02 22:07:39
    • Location: NYC
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 38
    Re:Ivy Bridge Support? 2012/04/30 09:59:54 (permalink)
    ^ thanks for a BR! took me a while to figure out what I received it for hehe

    #16
    Johnny_Utah
    CLASSIFIED Member
    • Total Posts : 4546
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2008/02/13 16:26:04
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 8
    Re:Ivy Bridge Support? 2012/04/30 10:03:40 (permalink)
    Nice work Feniks!
     
    With a Z77 Board, how will PCI-E 3.0 work?  Since some board will have the PLX chip in it?  Which slots will work with PCI-E 3.0?  Does it work differently than the NF200?





     
     
    #17
    feniks
    CLASSIFIED ULTRA Member
    • Total Posts : 7983
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2008/08/02 22:07:39
    • Location: NYC
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 38
    Re:Ivy Bridge Support? 2012/04/30 10:25:41 (permalink)
    Johnny_Utah

    Nice work Feniks!

    With a Z77 Board, how will PCI-E 3.0 work?  Since some board will have the PLX chip in it?  Which slots will work with PCI-E 3.0?  Does it work differently than the NF200?


    thanks! The diagram is borrowed, found it some time ago somewhere around here.
     
    I read in documentation of PLX PEX 8417 that is uses all 16 native lanes from the CPU (as opposed to NF200 using only 8 of them), I would *guess* that every slot on Z77 board (except those black PCIe x1/x4 routed straight to Z77 chipset) is routed through PLX chip, so I would guess further that all "red" slots must be capable of running PCIe 3.0 with no problems on Z77.
     
    The only question is regarding the number of actual (or rather switched) numbers of PCIe lanes getting assigned depending on placement of cards.
    post edited by feniks - 2012/04/30 10:28:52

    #18
    KenMcC
    CLASSIFIED Member
    • Total Posts : 3329
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2010/07/02 07:02:23
    • Location: Garland, TX
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 21
    Re:Ivy Bridge Support? 2012/04/30 10:33:23 (permalink)
    Feniks, your post refers to a FTW board.  There is no NF200 on the SLI board, nor are there that many slots avialable.  Therefore, I am still assuming you will get
    1 GPU with x16 PCIe 3.0 in slot 1
    2 GPS you should get x8  PCIe 3.0 in Slot 1 AND slot 2 just as you do with PCIe2.2 on the current SB SLI board. 
     
    The original motherboard for this thread was for a P67 SLI.   

    KenMcC
    Z170 Classy K; i7-6700 CPU,
    Corsair CMK16GX4M2A2400C14
    Seasonic SSR-360GP 360W;
    Samsung 950 Pro M.2 256 GB 
    Samsung 850 Evo 500 GB SATA
    Samsung 850 Evo 256 GB SATA
    Samsung SSD 840 Series 250 GB SATA
     
    Samsung 860 EVO 1 TB SATA
    Windows 10 x64 Prof.  
    #19
    feniks
    CLASSIFIED ULTRA Member
    • Total Posts : 7983
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2008/08/02 22:07:39
    • Location: NYC
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 38
    Re:Ivy Bridge Support? 2012/04/30 10:54:07 (permalink)
    hah! point taken , of course I was thinking about P67/Z68 FTW, why not, after all it's what I have LOL!
     
    so the rule would still apply to FTW models. missed the fact P67/Z68 SLI don't carry it so yeah, you are right on SLI PCIe lane speed on non-NF200 boards where all lanes are managed straight by the CPU, PCIe 3.0 8x/8x it shall be
     

    post edited by feniks - 2012/04/30 10:58:27

    #20
    Jump to:
  • Back to Mobile