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Hello, after researching from various source, many said that unless it is custom loop, aio cooler actually worse than air cooling. Is that true for evga RTX 3080?
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Re: Is aio cooling card better than air cooler?
2021/05/02 02:34:34
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I dont think so. In cpu department descent AIO coolers are better than best air Noctua nhd15 even if difference is only 4-6°C. AIO on gpu gonna have better thermals and bigger OC potential. If I could afford it, I would go for it.
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Re: Is aio cooling card better than air cooler?
2021/05/02 02:51:10
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Hybrid/AIO cooled cards are better than air-cooled cards is a general statement. That depends so much on airflow, settings, and other factors that generalizing it is unwise. I had a 3080 FTW3 Ultra that once I got it tuned with a nice undervolt, good airflow and all that noise, combined with my 70F ambient, was running at 50-56C in games... and that card was air-cooled. But that, again, was with an undervolt, which makes the card draw less power, and thereby run cooler by generating less heat to begin with. This is even more effective on Hybrid cards. As a for instance, my Kingpin (when it still had the AIO/Hybrid cooler on it) could run at 2100MHz at 1025mV, and 2160MHz at 1068mV - both of those resulted in lower than stock settings temperatures in games, while giving better than stock performance (because stock boost clocks settle at the 2025-2055MHz range on the 3090 Kingpin). The truth is, Hybrid or Air cooling should be a choice based on what you want out of your build, and your plans for it, like if you want to go liquid cooling open loop eventually, get a HydroCopper card, if you want silence, Hybrids can be better than air as long as you don't have a pump noise issue - but right now, it's a "get whatever card you can get" environment for most of those seeking a video card. Things like your ambient, airflow profile, case setup, and future plans all matter when choosing air or hybrid or whatever else. If you have a high ambient room temperature, or poor airflow, a Hybrid can actually perform the same, or worse (if there's lack of airflow) than an air-cooled card in the same situation.
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Re: Is aio cooling card better than air cooler?
2021/05/02 06:03:02
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Aio cooler for gpu are better than aio for cpu (in the cpu sector good air cooler like noctuas are better than most aio). But for a gpu with aio we are talking about a difference of 10/15C vs air cooling.
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Re: Is aio cooling card better than air cooler?
2021/05/02 07:16:25
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Many different variables but if the AiO CLC is well designed/engineered and installed properly, it should be better.
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Re: Is aio cooling card better than air cooler?
2021/05/02 09:37:18
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For the cpu a good noctua will perform as good as about any AIO, for the gpu it's a different case. My air cooled 3080 xc3 ultra hit 83c in games pre hybrid kit, now it just hits 59-60c and boosts higher and more consistently. Not to mention quieter as well .
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Re: Is aio cooling card better than air cooler?
2021/05/02 09:54:52
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almost did the hybrid thing but stopped, just more possible problems for little gain. i'm not going to underclock my (hotter than i would like) 3080 because it has a three year warranty and i know where the ups store is. but another p/p could mean two more argb fans...? (already have a modded 2/140 rack on top)
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Re: Is aio cooling card better than air cooler?
2021/05/02 18:24:41
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Running an undervolt, with an overclock, is possible on almost every 30-series card I think, and it will always result in lower power usage, and thereby lower temps, as well as better frame rates, regardless of if the card is air cooled or Hybrid Cooled. I did an Undervolt/OC on my 3080 FTW3 Ultra & it dropped load temps on the core by 8-12C while also boosting performance over stock because I was running it at a higher clock, with less voltage. I believe my preferred setting was 2040MHz @ 1000mV, but it's been so long since I had that card I could be wrong.
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Re: Is aio cooling card better than air cooler?
2021/05/03 12:38:35
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Difficult, but should work
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Re: Is aio cooling card better than air cooler?
2021/05/03 12:44:59
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yuitachibana Hello, after researching from various source, many said that unless it is custom loop, aio cooler actually worse than air cooling. Is that true for evga RTX 3080?
That's not necessarily true unless you're only running a single 120mm AIO rad which can equate to premium air coolers and sometimes be outperformed. If you're running 240/360mm, should outperform air cooling no problem. Custom liquid cooling is great if you're looking to get the lowest temps possible and you're able to budget for it as it can get pricey. There are more things to learn if you're set on custom cooling like how much capacity is needed, cleaning new gear, maintenance, etc.
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Re: Is aio cooling card better than air cooler?
2021/05/04 09:02:35
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Realistically it depends on a lot of factors, as others have pointed out, like airflow and what kind of operations you're running on it. AIO does often offer a compelling cooling solution if done right, although in my experience air has also been sufficient when done well and not pushing the OC too hard (YMMV)
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Re: Is aio cooling card better than air cooler?
2021/05/04 15:31:25
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There's a lot of different factors that go into what makes your CPU run faster/slower: What programs are you running, what games do you play, how many and what types of background tasks are running. I've run my PC with an AIO cooler and I've never ran into any problems.
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Re: Is aio cooling card better than air cooler?
2021/05/04 17:10:08
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Good air cooling is comparable to good water cooling. Water just has the ability to draw more heat into itself, to it has a higher threshold for performance. It can be harder to work an AIO for both your CPU and GPU, which is where an air cooler may come in handy.
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Re: Is aio cooling card better than air cooler?
2021/05/04 18:43:55
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Short Answer: It depends. Some AIO coolers are just utterly terrible. In my experience just don't go for anything that's too small, and you'll probably be fine. 240mm, and up are what I'd look for if I wanted an AIO.
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Re: Is aio cooling card better than air cooler?
2021/05/06 08:24:10
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I've heard that good airflow can produce comparable or better results than water cooling.
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Re: Is aio cooling card better than air cooler?
2021/05/06 09:52:28
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Depends on your case/tower. Ensure that if you do put in an AIO that your airflow is still good for the GPU and everything else.
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Re: Is aio cooling card better than air cooler?
2021/05/07 04:27:31
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Each one has + and - `ses.
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Re: Is aio cooling card better than air cooler?
2021/05/07 04:43:09
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At the end of the day the electrical component is going to produce the same amount of heat. It really just depends on how fast you can sink that heat away. I've already steered away from water cooling since electrical and water don't mix. A really good air cooler could be better than a poor water cooler.
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Re: Is aio cooling card better than air cooler?
2021/05/07 08:04:36
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100% water is always better than air, keeps it much cooler.
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Re: Is aio cooling card better than air cooler?
2021/05/07 08:23:04
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depends on environmental as well right? if you're in a hot ill circulated room your gonna have a bad time.
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Re: Is aio cooling card better than air cooler?
2021/05/07 08:30:18
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Liquid cooling is better then air. Just think, expose your arm on 10 Celsius air temperature or 10 C water bucket.
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Re: Is aio cooling card better than air cooler?
2021/05/07 11:35:38
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I always thought that watercooling setups would not have the same durability as air cooling.
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Re: Is aio cooling card better than air cooler?
2021/05/07 12:17:19
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I'm seeing a lot of people that are getting high VRAM temps with the hybrid cooling 3080s. I'm wondering if the chips aren't getting enough air flow, since the coldplate is only on the GPU, and the rest of the card's components are cooled by a smaller heatsink and only one fan. Meanwhile on the air-cooled cards, the VRAM shares the same heatsink as the GPU and has two or three fans doing the work cooling it all. There's also some talk from 3090 owners that have trouble cooling the VRAM on the backside of the card, which lends further credence to the idea that they need some strong active cooling.
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Re: Is aio cooling card better than air cooler?
2021/05/07 12:50:19
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FloodControl I'm seeing a lot of people that are getting high VRAM temps with the hybrid cooling 3080s. I'm wondering if the chips aren't getting enough air flow, since the coldplate is only on the GPU, and the rest of the card's components are cooled by a smaller heatsink and only one fan. Meanwhile on the air-cooled cards, the VRAM shares the same heatsink as the GPU and has two or three fans doing the work cooling it all. There's also some talk from 3090 owners that have trouble cooling the VRAM on the backside of the card, which lends further credence to the idea that they need some strong active cooling.
The coldplate on the GPU for AIOed cards like the Hybrids has paste connecting to a VRAM copper plate. It cools both, which is why the Hybrid cooler's temps aren't as impressive as some would expect. The way the block-head works, you can't really put heatsinks on the other side of the copper plate for the VRAM either (I was going to try this until I took my GPU apart & realized it wouldn't be possible). 3090s are an entirely different monster because that thin Copper Plate is now on top of VRAM chips that are stacked on either side of the PCB, resulting in higher backplate-side VRAM temps. I have a thread running about how to "solve" that problem for about $100 or less spent to do so (upgrading thermal pads, adding heatsinks to the backplate) that works very well. These are from my Kingpin when I took it apart to switch to the HC Block, but the AIO/copper VRAM plate setup is the same on all AIO/Hybrid cards:  Should be noted the paste job you see there is my redoing of it, not eVGA's original, that was pretty meh. But as you can see, with the pump head on the card, there's not really any room to put heatsinks over the VRAM areas of the copperplate that's on them.
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Re: Is aio cooling card better than air cooler?
2021/05/09 07:09:29
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i think not, let air coolers stay
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Re: Is aio cooling card better than air cooler?
2021/05/10 09:20:55
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Simanick I've heard that good airflow can produce comparable or better results than water cooling.
IMO that entirely depends on what you do with the GPU and what ultimately you're looking for. With Aircooling, it can be noisy, but as long as fan speeds are at 80% or higher on the GPU cooler, you can get close to the temps that watercooling does. With watercooling, you have a higher heat capacity with water so you can overclock higher and maintain lower temps and be stable. And depending on the card bios and/or the tool of choice, undervolting will yield better results. I wish my 980Ti could undervolt and overclock like my old 690 and 780Ti did. But alas, i did not win the lottery on that one.
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Re: Is aio cooling card better than air cooler?
2021/05/12 10:32:50
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I personally like air cooler, so I don't have to worry about leakage.
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Re: Is aio cooling card better than air cooler?
2021/05/13 07:33:45
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The best air coolers are better than the worst AIOs but the best AIOs are better than the best aircoolers. But AIOs are more expensive than the best air cooling fans. AIOs are also tinkering-heavy due to setting it up (and perhaps lately becoming a status symbol among streamers) while air coolers are done once set up, except for the occasional de-dusting. This is true for CPU and CPU.
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Re: Is aio cooling card better than air cooler?
2021/05/13 08:07:11
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The only Downside to AIO is space in your PC case.
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