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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce GTZ Titan Z 2014/06/02 09:44:24 (permalink)
Why go with EK Water Blocks for anything?
There are quite a few excellent water block manufacturers that are far less controversial and far more honorable.
Has EKWB suddenly changed their manufacturing processes so their water blocks no longer corrode from using plain distilled water?
I've certainly seen no headlines stating so. Have you?
Plus, EK flat out lied about the compatibility of their back plates for the EVGA GTX780 Ti KPE.
And, having just checked their so-called EK Cooling Configurator, they still are.
How much payola did EKWB lay down for this deal? It's the only reason EVGA would go with such a sub-par water block company.
Using EKWB cooling on the most expensive video card extant is merely a stunt.
A litmus test for how gullible, short sighted and/or stupid customers really are.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce GTZ Titan Z 2014/06/02 11:51:25 (permalink)
Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.
 
Our waterblocks never have corroded from distilled water itself. Silver is the main problem, many manufacturers do not recommend silver and over the years I have seen nickel blocks from just about every manufacturer with corroded blocks due to silver. The difference being, unlike some manufacturers, we still honor the warranty even if you use silver in your loop, feel free to check out our warranty terms if you don't believe me. And apparently you don't read the news, corroding blocks are nearly nonexistent for a couple years now starting when we launched our CSQ line. 
 
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce GTZ Titan Z 2014/06/02 16:48:19 (permalink)
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No longer can they say that the titans were not designed for gaming..  Both here, and on Nvidia's website state's that it was...  Tbh, it's not worth the price.. And I fear this card will go the way of the 7990... Its priced 1k to much.. 


Titan's were, and always will be designed for gaming.  They were the only Nvidia cards that came with the premium 6gb of memory for the longest time and Nvidia knew they could charge premium for it while justifying that price because of some double precision mumbo jumbo.  Only after Nvidia has sold most of it's stock of Titan's/Titan Blacks, do we now get the 780 6gb versions to choose from.
 
Forget double precision, 99% of the people that bought these were benchmark addicts and gamers.  True professional cards have ECC memory to help support all that extra precision and customized drivers where Titan's use standard Geforce drivers.  If I had the money to burn, and wanted the very best quality card for professional work, I'd go with the Quadro K6000 any day with its 12gb of total memory, not 6gb per core like the new Titan Z.  And the K6000's also support SLI (note the SLI headers in the pic).  Too bad the Geforce Drivers won't support them...
 
Do you think 12gb would be enough for all the 4k gamers touting that 6gb is "required" for some of today's current games?
 





Not sure if you deal with gpu rendering on a daily basis, but the K6000 has the same amount of cores as the Titan Black. The Titan has 1/2 the memory, but it's also 1/5th the price of the Quadro. It is a well known fact that the higher end geforce cards perform extremely well with gpu renderers like Octane, and are more cost effective than their "professional workstation graphics" equivalent. The only people I've seen with quad-Titan set ups are the ones who do use gpu rendering software, because the Titans scale better than one $5,000 Quadro. So these might be marketed for "gamers", but Nvidia has essentially created a new market for these without cutting into their "pro" market. 
 
As far as the $3,000 Titan Z goes...Its pretty much over-priced by a thousand dollars. I don't think that the card will satisfy either gamers, or professionals. 




Not sure what you were trying to get across, but I'm well aware of specs on Titans, Geforce's, and Quadros, and I know what they're used for.  The point was Titan's were designed to be and are marketed as gamer cards, period, no matter what they can be are or are used for. 
 
I've never really seen any Quad Titan setup outside of benchmarking, and would be a waste for gamers.  Titan's may be used for certain applications, but they still use GEFORCE drivers.  NVidia only justified the high cost of the Titans with their "double precision" performance enabled with the card's firmware.  But without ECC memory, and in true professional applications and 3D simulations where precision and accuracy really do matter, the Titans just won't cut it.  Do some 3D simulations in the medical or engineering field for days with a Titan (if the software app even supports it) and have the results tainted because of too many memory errors, and you'll wish you had used a Quadro.  If your job relies on how accurate your work can be, it doesn't matter how much the card costs, you will buy the best for the money.  And that is the Quadro.  SLI those Quadro's and stick a Tesla in there for good measure.  You'll get performance.  Quadro's also support Quad SLI.
http:// www.nvidia.com  / object / quadro-sli-technology.html
(had to use spaces as I'm not worthy enough yet to post links.)
 
With the minimal cost of memory and with AMD cards having on average more memory than their NVidia counterparts, NVidia should have put more memory standard on their cards.  Honestly, since the K6000 does support 12gb of memory and is the same as the Titan Black, which is also the same as the 780 Ti (minus precision), why didn't the other cards come with more memory?  The Titan Black could have easily come with 12gb of memory and the 780 Ti could have easily came with 6gb.  This would have satisfied a lot of people and given the extreme gamers their ultimate "gamer card" with the Titan Black 12gb, and give the rest of use the 780 Ti 6gb that all of us have been asking for over many months.
 
The Titan had 6gb, the Titan Black should've had 12gb.
 
The 780 had 3gb, the 780 Ti should've had 6gb standard.
 
Titan Z?  It should've had AT LEAST 12gb per core.  It seems 6gb is old news and I'm surprised NVidia's now "Top of the Line" card debuts with only 6gb per core.  Thanks to a member's diligent testing, we've seen on this forum already that Watch Dog's can use more than 6gb on highest settings.  That limitation coupled such a high price tag (again due to the double precision feature which few will even use), killed this beast before it even hit the stores.




The Quadro K6000 does NOT support SLi in a typical system.  Quadro SLi is only supported in certain certified systems, with VERY few being certified to SLi the Quadro K6000.
 
The list of certified systems is here:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/quadro_sli_compatible_systems.html
 
If NVidia had permitted Quadros to be SLi'ed in any system supporting regular GeForce SLi (like they should), I'd have bought Quadros long ago.
 
Many here have slammed the Titan Z for its high price, and yes it's high, but in the DigitalStorm review, it traded blows with the R9-295X2, and did so while running on AIR.  Watercooling this card and pushing up the clocks should result in a significant performance boost that should defeat the R9-295X2, while using less power.  The really appealing thing about this card is the room that it saves in a high-end system.  If water-cooled, you can get 4x Titan Black performance out of 2x Titan Z and thus have two (or more) slots left over for use by other cards, like the Xeon Phi.
 
This fact alone can make the Titan Z appealing to many people.;)
 
I do concur with the folks who say the card should have had 24GB of RAM (especially at that price), but what really irritates me about the Titan Z is the lack of a third power connector on the card, when the silk screening for it on the PCB is clearly visible.  For a card such as this, not including this connector is completely unacceptable.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce GTZ Titan Z 2014/06/03 06:09:42 (permalink)
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The Quadro K6000 does NOT support SLi in a typical system.  Quadro SLi is only supported in certain certified systems, with VERY few being certified to SLi the Quadro K6000.



Sounds like you contradicted yourself... It doesn't support SLI, but it then again, it does support SLI... lols.
 
Actually all I said was that the K6000 supported SLI and never specified any specific system or circumstance.  The main point I was trying to make was that it be a great gamer card if people could imagine gaming with dual 12gb cards with the power of the GK110 and if it supported Geforce drivers, which it doesn't.  Also posing the question why didn't the other GK110 cards come with 12gb ram since they had the same GK110 chip, like the Titan, Titan Black, and the 780 Ti, so obviously the GK110 supports 12gb.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce GTZ Titan Z 2014/06/03 09:12:12 (permalink)
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The Quadro K6000 does NOT support SLi in a typical system.  Quadro SLi is only supported in certain certified systems, with VERY few being certified to SLi the Quadro K6000.



Sounds like you contradicted yourself... It doesn't support SLI, but it then again, it does support SLI... lols.
 
Actually all I said was that the K6000 supported SLI and never specified any specific system or circumstance.  The main point I was trying to make was that it be a great gamer card if people could imagine gaming with dual 12gb cards with the power of the GK110 and if it supported Geforce drivers, which it doesn't.  Also posing the question why didn't the other GK110 cards come with 12gb ram since they had the same GK110 chip, like the Titan, Titan Black, and the 780 Ti, so obviously the GK110 supports 12gb.


I didn't contradict anything...I said "Quadro K6000 does NOT support SLi in a typical system", which is a typical GeForce SLi system and then mentioned the fact that very few systems are certified to SLi the K6000.  The Quadro K6000 would indeed make for a good gamer card if you could SLi it in a normal SLi system and clock it up to the speeds of the GeForce line.  Unfortunately, with the K6000 you have two choices...install one by itself in a system, or restrict yourself to buying one of the "approved" workstation systems (which aren't overclockable at all) in order to run Quadro SLi.  The worst thing is that a system needs to be re-certified for each subsequent Quadro that comes out, which may or may not happen.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce GTZ Titan Z 2014/06/03 17:23:47 (permalink)
NVIDIA GTX Titan Z 4K 4-way SLI Benchmarks:

 
NVIDIA GTX Titan Z 1080 & 1440p Benchmarks:

post edited by Sajin - 2014/06/03 17:56:22
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce GTZ Titan Z 2014/06/03 18:27:52 (permalink)
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Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. Our waterblocks never have corroded from distilled water itself. Silver is the main problem, many manufacturers do not recommend silver and over the years I have seen nickel blocks from just about every manufacturer with corroded blocks due to silver. The difference being, unlike some manufacturers, we still honor the warranty even if you use silver in your loop, feel free to check out our warranty terms if you don't believe me. And apparently you don't read the news, corroding blocks are nearly nonexistent for a couple years now starting when we launched our CSQ line.  As far as compatibility with the EVGA 780 Ti KPE, what are you talking about?


I only use EK blocks, and have no issues... Just saying.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce GTZ Titan Z 2014/06/04 11:43:14 (permalink)
Titan Z is priced just fine evident by having 50% better double precision capability than R9-295 and using 25% less power to do so; it is a better product for what its features are most useful for since all GeForce GTX700 cards have double-precision disabled, hence premium.  
 
The funny part is the ignorant hypocrisy of the jealous majority in here-- you can't just agree with nVidia's marketing whenever you like, either pick for all or against all.  You use nVidia's marketing with Titan Z to suggest that the card really is for gamers thus fail because it can't do better than cheaper competition.  But I'm betting many of you will deny nVidia's marketing against something you'd never get for gaming, like a slower graphics card.  Let's quote nVidia regarding GTX750 which can't even SLI: 
http://www.geforce.com/ha...p-gpus/geforce-gtx-750
nVidia
GeForce GTX 750
Powered by first-generation NVIDIA® Maxwell™ architecture, the 750 delivers twice the performance at half the power consumption of previous generation cards, all at a great value. For serious gamers, this means you get all the horsepower you need to play the hottest titles in beautiful 1080 HD resolution, all at full settings.
Yup, serious gamers use GTX750, therefore Titan Z is meant for gamers, eh?  
 
 
It is okay to see past company marketing: I don't believe for one second that the majority of Titan Z's sales are by gamers.  Just the same, I'm sure many of you will disagree with nVidia that serious gamers won't get GTX750, right?
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce GTZ Titan Z 2014/06/04 12:00:20 (permalink)
nVidia
GEFORCE GTX, The ultimate GPU for gamers. Delivers fastest performance and all the latest gaming technologies.

 
Wikipedia
The first GeForce products were discrete GPUs designed for use on add-on graphics boards, intended for the high-margin PC gaming market.

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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce GTZ Titan Z 2014/06/04 12:12:26 (permalink)
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Just the same, I'm sure many of you will disagree with nVidia that serious gamers won't get GTX750, right?

Serious gamers looking to get into PC gaming with a low budget would buy a GTX 750.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce GTZ Titan Z 2014/06/04 18:52:31 (permalink)
Holy moly, these things are going for between $3-$5K on eBay right now!  ...And 12Gb of VRAM, wowzers!  After this card will SLI become obsolete?

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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce GTZ Titan Z 2014/06/04 19:23:07 (permalink)
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Looks like you all went EK for the block this time instead of Swiftech....this going to be the trend going forward?


Good Catch, I wonder why?
 


 
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce GTZ Titan Z 2014/06/04 22:34:13 (permalink)
SC in stock at Amazon again, only two left:
http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-Superclocked-Support12GB-12G-P4-3992-KR-Graphics/dp/B00KLTHMH4/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1401945842&sr=8-3&keywords=gtx+titan+z
 
There were two Titan Black HC's in stock as well, but they were gone because I bought them. 
 
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce GTZ Titan Z 2014/06/05 06:18:28 (permalink)
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Serious gamers looking to get into PC gaming with a low budget would buy a GTX 750.

+1
The GTX 750Ti is one of the fastest cards I have seen to date on any Win7/Win8 Desktop, and add to that the low power consumption and the fact that it is somewhere in between the 560 Ti and the 650 Ti Boost for gaming performance.  It's also an affordable card at around $160.  Entry level or budget gamers finally have a card that doesn't require a monster power supply.  The majority of games, 95% or better, can be played on the 750Ti card.  Not everyone can afford to spend over $200 for a gamer card or even care about SLI.
 
I don't know about everyone else, but I'm tired of every generation of video card costing more and more.  I'm glad to see that the 800 series may be going back to the "better, faster, cheaper" way of thinking, if the 750's are any indication.
 
Trivius1
Holy moly, these things are going for between $3-$5K on eBay right now!  ...And 12Gb of VRAM, wowzers!  After this card will SLI become obsolete?



No, because SLI gives the same or better performance for a cheaper price.  In general, you can overclock the cards in SLI more so than you can the Titan-Z since the base clock is much lower on this, as it was required to be.
 
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Titan Z is priced just fine evident by having 50% better double precision capability than R9-295 and using 25% less power to do so; it is a better product for what its features are most useful for since all GeForce GTX700 cards have double-precision disabled, hence premium.  
 
The funny part is the ignorant hypocrisy of the jealous majority in here-- you can't just agree with nVidia's marketing whenever you like, either pick for all or against all.  You use nVidia's marketing with Titan Z to suggest that the card really is for gamers thus fail because it can't do better than cheaper competition.
 
It is okay to see past company marketing: I don't believe for one second that the majority of Titan Z's sales are by gamers.  Just the same, I'm sure many of you will disagree with nVidia that serious gamers won't get GTX750, right?



Oh yes, companies all the time market products that aren't intended for their target group of consumers...
 
No one can prove who is and who isn't buying these cards, so I can't prove gamers are buying them, and you can't prove "graphic professionals" are either.  One thing that CAN be proven is that NVidia IS marketing the Titan-Z card to gamers based on their own website, whether gamers are buying them or not, so this fact can't be refuted.  Also, what is there for anyone to be jealous about in here?  Actually I pity anyone who spends money on the overpriced Titan-Z.  Even with the double precision, and taking into account it's still only using Geforce Drivers, one can hardly justify the super inflated price of this card.  Since the Titan-Z it is actually two "slower" GTX Titan Blacks on one PCB, the card should be no more expensive than around $2,000.  No, I simply don't buy it...  This thing is way overpriced for the small amount of performance gain you get from the second onboard GPU, even if the card supports double precision or not.  Anyone who does buy this is simply paying for NVidia's R&D cost to develop the thing.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce GTZ Titan Z 2014/06/05 10:55:35 (permalink)
EVGA!  PLEASE ADVISE WILL THE TITAN CARDS FINALLY BE REDUCED IN PRICE NOW THAT THE TITAN Z has been released?
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce GTZ Titan Z 2014/06/05 11:49:01 (permalink)
EVGA! PLEASE ADVISE WILL THE TITAN CARDS FINALLY BE REDUCED IN PRICE NOW THAT THE TITAN Z has been released?



post edited by AWK16 - 2014/06/05 11:54:39
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce GTZ Titan Z 2014/06/05 12:04:38 (permalink)
If your not from EVGA than don't reply please
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce GTZ Titan Z 2014/06/05 12:10:56 (permalink)
If your not from EVGA than don't reply please


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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce GTZ Titan Z 2014/06/05 12:24:18 (permalink)
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EVGA!  PLEASE ADVISE WILL THE TITAN CARDS FINALLY BE REDUCED IN PRICE NOW THAT THE TITAN Z has been released?



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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce GTZ Titan Z 2014/06/05 12:55:30 (permalink)
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I don't know about everyone else, but I'm tired of every generation of video card costing more and more.
We're in a recession, that hasn't gone away; and in these economic times, I see no reason why companies shouldn't milk the wealthy because they behave as if immune to such woes.  Is there some reason you or anyone cannot accept that these products are not aimed at you or me or anyone fussy about the price?  Apply some logic and Occam's razor to the situation:  Clearly nVidia is not listening to those that can't afford them nor are they regretting their actions if they keep doing it.  They aren't missing out on our dollars for these generations of premium products.    
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No one can prove who is and who isn't buying these cards, so I can't prove gamers are buying them, and you can't prove "graphic professionals" are either.
Showing off your ignorance isn't recommended, you seem to be mixing Quadro and Tesla as if they are the same.  Most GeForce cards can do 95% of the "graphics professional" workload that a Quadro as a result of drivers (in which some drivers can be hacked to make a GeForce function as a Quadro).  But GeForce GK110 cards have one-eighth the dual-precision capability of all others using the same GPU.  Quadro and Tesla are certified, which is only useful if the user is part of an organization/business with liability concerns, i.e. profit-oriented.  If they are working on a private or non-profit or education project, then getting a Tesla K40 at almost twice the cost of Titan Z with one GK110 isn't worth it.  
 
 
As for cost analysis:
  • Tesla K40 is a dual-slot card and four can fit in a standard dual-CPU workstation chassis, making the cost of the Teslas just over $21,000.
  • For equivalent dual-precision in one chassis, four Titan Blacks can be used in their space and save $17,000.  If there was more space for another four workstation chassis', then a total of 20 Blacks can spare no expense.
  • Going Titan Z and using waterblocks gets four of them in the same single chassis space and still saving over $8,000 while getting twice the computer performance in one chassis as either Black or Tesla K40.  Using up the money saved would need less chassis space as the Black option.  
Going for Z makes more sense than using Blacks or Teslas in terms of 'compute per volume'; of course typical gamers are narcissistically oblivious to any usage outside their own interests, so to them Z is still fail regardless.
 
jisbell12
Oh yes, companies all the time market products that aren't intended for their target group of consumers...
Who buys these "Sports Utility Vehicles" or even luxury supercars despite how they are advertised on TV or magazines?  What about basketball shoes or mountain bicycles or smartphones?  The point of marketing is to incite an emotional response, to get people to buy stuff.  
 
Like I said above, nVidia also markets their lowest-end cards to gaming, even though most among the loud minority of vocal enthusiasts antagonize everyone else for buying cheap as if they might as well get a console.  The word "gamer" and "enthusiast" incite their own emotional reactions, people want to identify with them and get whatever is associated.  Most people drive SUV's within a big city urban environment, it has become the modern 'station wagon' and hardly advertised as off-road capable vehicles with sports in mind.  Who knows what the Titan series will become years from now, collectors item or a new product line away from GeForce, Tesla and Quadro.
jisbell12Also, what is there for anyone to be jealous about in here?
Look up any online dictionary:
Jealousy is an emotion, and the word typically refers to the negative thoughts and feelings of insecurity, fear, and anxiety over an anticipated loss of something of great personal value, particularly in reference to a human connection.

Most people that have been looking forward to a dual GK110 card a long time, expecting it to be called "GTX790", are put off by the price of Titan Z and have a "if I can't have it, no one should" attitude dismissing its worth and patronizing anyone that justifies or defends it.  Thus you have "pity" for those that consider the price a drop in their proverbial bucket, as if it is your business to judge their spending habits and determine how "one can hardly justify the super inflated price of this card."  
 
There are people that pride themselves on always getting the best, and Titan Z's price makes them feel insecure, so they lash out as if nVidia spit in their face of flipped them the bird.  There is a lot of emotion here, yet you wonder what's to be jealous of?  You're either oblivious or guilty yourself.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce GTZ Titan Z 2014/06/05 23:03:56 (permalink)
I would love to see more information regarding the ACX-style cooler:
hxxp://videocardz.com/50758/evga-geforce-gtx-titan-z-acx-cooler-spotted-computex
 
 
(EDIT: Welp, sorry about the URL...not enough posts yet. Serves me right for lurking for 12 years.)
post edited by DTsai - 2014/06/05 23:07:03
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce GTZ Titan Z 2014/06/06 05:35:11 (permalink)
Hello all,
 Well, there goes my plans to build a PC with 790's in sli or 3 gtx 780 ti kingpins with 6gb. Looks like I'll be waiting for the full 800 family cards now.
 
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce GTZ Titan Z 2014/06/06 06:00:27 (permalink)
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I would love to see more information regarding the ACX-style cooler:
hxxp://videocardz.com/50758/evga-geforce-gtx-titan-z-acx-cooler-spotted-computex
 
 
(EDIT: Welp, sorry about the URL...not enough posts yet. Serves me right for lurking for 12 years.)


Wow, that is a 'long' time to be lurking...(since 2002!)

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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce GTZ Titan Z 2014/06/06 08:08:25 (permalink)
DTsai
I would love to see more information regarding the ACX-style cooler:
hxxp://videocardz.com/50758/evga-geforce-gtx-titan-z-acx-cooler-spotted-computex
 
 
(EDIT: Welp, sorry about the URL...not enough posts yet. Serves me right for lurking for 12 years.)


With the ACX cooler it looks like the card is now a dual slot instead of a triple slot. 


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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce GTZ Titan Z 2014/06/06 08:36:41 (permalink)
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"all that stuff you just said..."

Honestly, I really have no need to quote line for line or word for word someone's post on some forum.  I said once before, the only reason I even brought up the Quadro was as a way of pointing out it would be nice to have 12g cards in SLI with the same GK110 chip that all Nvidia high end cards use.  Tesla doesn't even have monitor hookups, and you're talking about putting four of them into one chassis...  and putting 20 Titans into one chassis... and water blocks on Titan Z's for professional use... you're just pulling what you want out of thin air to support some sort of justification to your way of thinking.  I'm not an expert on Quadros (and never claimed to be), and neither are you, so stop pretending to be.  To be an expert, you'd have either developed the damn thing or have enough money to buy lots of Quadros and tested them in multiple situations with multiple software packages.  I may not be an expert, but I am knowledgeable, and have had personal experience with both Titans and Quadros since I have friends that work in the medical field that tried Titans and ended up needing Quadros to do the job (TL:DR OT side story).  The fact remains, that a true professional card has ECC memory, period.  Try to use a Titan card in any situation where accuracy really is needed, and you'll see why there IS a difference and why cost doesn't matter. 
 
In your post, you justified the cost of the Titan Z then talked about how overpriced the Quadros are.  It really doesn't matter who uses the Titan cards and for what purpose.  Honestly, once you get into the cost range of the Titan Z and the high end Quadros, price is a non-issue anyway.  One is $3,000 and the other is $4,500, so they're both too damn expensive for 99.99% of the people who even buy graphic cards to even afford, period.
 
And yes, again, no one can prove who is or who isn't buying what card for what specific purpose.  None of us work in any sales/marketing team for any company that creates or distributes Nvidia cards.  And even if we did, we'd have to ask every person what was their intended purpose for buying said card.  The only indisputable fact is that all Titans, and I quote Nvidia's own website here, are gamer cards and marketed as such, period, no matter what they can or cannot be used for or who buys them for what purpose.
 
Titan Z
"GeForce® GTX™ TITAN Z is a gaming monster, the fastest graphics card we’ve built to power the most extreme PC gaming rigs on the planet."
 
Titan Black
"GTX TITAN Black is the ultimate gaming GPU for a pure gaming experience—the perfect balance of sleek design, uncompromising performance, and state-of-the-art technologies."
 
Titan
"With the DNA of the world’s fastest supercomputer and the soul of NVIDIA® Kepler™ architecture, GeForce® GTX TITAN GPU is a revolution in PC gaming performance. GeForce GTX TITAN graphics card combines extraordinary power, advanced control features, and game-changing thermal and acoustic capability to provide an entirely new class of super-performance graphics card."
 
And lastly, I'm not jealous over who buys what or for what purpose, nor do I care one way or the other.  And I really believe no one else is here, either.  I simply buy what I want for my intended purpose and let everyone else do the same.  But, buying faster and faster technology can be a very powerful addiction just like drugs.  So yes, I still pity those who buy every new graphics card whether they need it or not, simply because it is the latest and greatest thing when it only gives them some sort of bragging rights within the online community they belong to or a few more fps in one or two games.  It costs money that adds up over time and some have families that are hurt by this.
 
I really believe that everyone here, with common sense, agrees the Titan Z is overpriced for its intended purpose and target market, and don't understand why you keep defending the Titans as if you have some vested interest in that particular line of cards.
 
My apologies to everyone else for this TL:DR post and promise to try my best not to make another.  (hears cheers in the background)
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce GTZ Titan Z 2014/06/06 14:57:57 (permalink)
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Hello all, Well, there goes my plans to build a PC with 790's in sli or 3 gtx 780 ti kingpins with 6gb. Looks like I'll be waiting for the full 800 family cards now. 


Jacob has said there probably won't be a 6gb kingpin, and there is no word of a "790" that I know of yet. Things change, but if you hold your breath, you may pass out.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce GTZ Titan Z 2014/06/06 15:03:27 (permalink)
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DTsai
I would love to see more information regarding the ACX-style cooler:
hxxp://videocardz.com/50758/evga-geforce-gtx-titan-z-acx-cooler-spotted-computex
 
 
(EDIT: Welp, sorry about the URL...not enough posts yet. Serves me right for lurking for 12 years.)


Wow, that is a 'long' time to be lurking...(since 2002!)


That's actually some cool info.  Maybe FTW edition coming?
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce GTZ Titan Z 2014/06/07 10:38:49 (permalink)
This product comes with a 3 year warranty Registration is recommended
I don't think so timmy. for this price, its LIFETIME or nothin
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce GTZ Titan Z 2014/06/07 23:01:22 (permalink)
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This product comes with a 3 year warranty Registration is recommendedI don't think so timmy. for this price, its LIFETIME or nothin


Are you buying one or two? If not, the warranty means nothing, lol. If it is aimed at computing, like they say (take that with a half a grain of salt) then it is meant for professionals, and not many pieces of professional equipment will come with a lifetime warranty, as it is meant to be abused until it doesn't function anymore. No way there should be a lifetime warranty on something that is meant to be abused. Maybe a 5 year...
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce GTZ Titan Z 2014/06/08 00:43:47 (permalink)
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This product comes with a 3 year warranty Registration is recommendedI don't think so timmy. for this price, its LIFETIME or nothin


Are you buying one or two? If not, the warranty means nothing, lol. If it is aimed at computing, like they say (take that with a half a grain of salt) then it is meant for professionals, and not many pieces of professional equipment will come with a lifetime warranty, as it is meant to be abused until it doesn't function anymore. No way there should be a lifetime warranty on something that is meant to be abused. Maybe a 5 year...

evga used to provide lifetime warranties. so. and im buying zero of these cards. I still think my 780 has many miles left on it {provided it doesn't crap out in the next 2 years}
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