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Re: Intel 10 nm Process Increases Transistor Density by 2.7x Over 14 nm
2018/06/30 12:43:08
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now if they could make sticks of static memory for gaming boxes......
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Re: Intel 10 nm Process Increases Transistor Density by 2.7x Over 14 nm
2018/06/30 14:52:29
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It boggles my mind. How do you design something that uses 12 billion components? I wonder how AMD's 7nm will compare. I read an article a few minutes ago that didn't foresee any radical advancements in performance. They were guessing smaller and cooler with some performance tweaks but nothing groundbreaking.
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Re: Intel 10 nm Process Increases Transistor Density by 2.7x Over 14 nm
2018/06/30 15:16:23
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Isn't their aggressive design with too many eggs in a basket a contributing factor to their delay? It's like everyone forgets old roadmaps...
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Re: Intel 10 nm Process Increases Transistor Density by 2.7x Over 14 nm
2018/06/30 16:45:20
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if it works??? lol anyways,... if you are wondering why no new chipset for 9000 series - look to 10nm problems current chipset use 22nm and cpu on 14 nm .... newer chipsset require 15nm and with production taken up by CPU fab there is no room Intel was suppose to be on 10nm already thus freeing up 14nm for newer chipset(larger chipset) 14nm++++ forever????lol intel imploys the chipset to be one fab behind cpu fab that why you're stuck with the 370(390) chipset
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Re: Intel 10 nm Process Increases Transistor Density by 2.7x Over 14 nm
2018/06/30 17:54:05
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I would agree it’s a major achievement to think that they can fit that many. I kind of figured we would have hit a wall for Moore’s law by now but it seems like we are a ways off from that.
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Re: Intel 10 nm Process Increases Transistor Density by 2.7x Over 14 nm
2018/07/02 01:02:29
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I'm not sure what is better for me... To wait when i9-9900K show up and sell my platform or invest similar price as i9-9900K for used i7-6950X. Switch to i9-9900K would cost me more, I need waterblock as well, mobo, maybe even memory. Here I could upgrade on 10 cores I have mobo, block, RAM and to wait some better time with Intel without bugs. I expect to i9-9900K is better in some situation, in some not, after OC i7-6950X he would work better in multi threaded applications. In one moment X99 looked as not so good option as Z170. But now you could extend life time of platform on at least 2020. That's 6 years. Only because strong CPU models. With i7-6950X X99 could be used in gaming record 8 years.
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Re: Intel 10 nm Process Increases Transistor Density by 2.7x Over 14 nm
2018/07/02 12:42:42
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And the 10nm problems loom Intel Custom Foundry’s 10nm meltdown is crushing a $20+B market cap tech giantAfter extensive research, SemiAccurate can say this company cannot survive Intel’s lack of delivery intact. The consequences of this are far reaching for both Intel and their customer. We would like to start this out on a personal note, two actually. First and most importantly is this story makes us sick, it is going to mean the loss of thousands of jobs and the destruction of a once proud and innovative company, all because of executive stupidity. While we are just reporting the issue, it is still pretty horrible to watch and think about, our condolences to those affected but not to those involved at a high level. As you know Intel’s 10nm process is now years delayed, is not economically or technically viable, and is unlikely to ever work financially speaking based on what SemiAccurate understands of the problems Intel is still trying to fix. The customer in question put their entire upcoming line of chips at Intel on 10nm, and Intel failed. There was no Plan B, no out, and according to multiple sources, the customer in question can not survive. This is mainly due to a major industry transition that is going on now, the company in question will not have a product to sell into it. https://www.semiaccurate....market-cap-tech-giant/
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Re: Intel 10 nm Process Increases Transistor Density by 2.7x Over 14 nm
2018/07/02 13:51:54
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Xavier Zepherious And the 10nm problems loom
Intel Custom Foundry’s 10nm meltdown is crushing a $20+B market cap tech giantAfter extensive research, SemiAccurate can say this company cannot survive Intel’s lack of delivery intact. The consequences of this are far reaching for both Intel and their customer. We would like to start this out on a personal note, two actually. First and most importantly is this story makes us sick, it is going to mean the loss of thousands of jobs and the destruction of a once proud and innovative company, all because of executive stupidity. While we are just reporting the issue, it is still pretty horrible to watch and think about, our condolences to those affected but not to those involved at a high level. As you know Intel’s 10nm process is now years delayed, is not economically or technically viable, and is unlikely to ever work financially speaking based on what SemiAccurate understands of the problems Intel is still trying to fix. The customer in question put their entire upcoming line of chips at Intel on 10nm, and Intel failed. There was no Plan B, no out, and according to multiple sources, the customer in question can not survive. This is mainly due to a major industry transition that is going on now, the company in question will not have a product to sell into it. https://www.semiaccurate....market-cap-tech-giant/
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Re: Intel 10 nm Process Increases Transistor Density by 2.7x Over 14 nm
2018/07/08 12:20:21
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Vlada011 I'm not sure what is better for me.. You covered most of the pros and cons of your upgrade conundrum. I'd add that from a nomenclature standpoint alone, Z390 might not have an upgrade path beyond i9-9900K as the "i9" and "x900" subseries were exclusively HEDT; unless they make an i11 or 10th gen processor drop-in-compatible, which they don't have a history of doing that. So your current platform is not only cheaper and easier, but has an upgrade path to a 10-core (unless BIOS mod gets you more cored Xeons). It seems the most logical option to stay on your platform, unless you want to brag having the 'latest and greatest' = you're upgrading for others, to seem relevant against fellow enthusiasts. If I were you, I'd focus on what you do with the system and pay attention to your upgrade habits and tendencies. That being said, while you will have a 10-core upgrade option in the future, understand that time (particularly, AMD) doesn't stop: If it's true that AMD will bring 12-core and 16-core 7nm dies by next year, Intel will respond in kind and this year's 8-core will be last year's quad-core. The thing about technology progress, the rate of adoption follows the mass majority, not the enthusiast minority; it will be a while before from-the-ground-up software written today makes use of more cores at the mainstream client level which have been tailored to quad-cores for 12 years. But even in three years, those programs will be best suited for 6-cores at first, maybe in another three years, then 8-cores; but enthusiast use cases will be beyond mainstream. 10-core might be a limitation within 3 years from an enthusiast sense, and by then AMD will push out their 3nm Zen 5 and with it the possibility of more cores per die, I'm thinking a 20-core and a 24-core die. Based on that, I suggest getting a platform path that will allow more CPU cores than you need now (i.e. go for X299 and get 7820X to start, unless you want to try for a cheap Cascade Lake processor), because it isn't like you won't need them later (we aren't in a quad-core Renascence anymore). It's just a matter of when you get into a particular software suite in the next few years; why upgrade so many times in between for every new thing you get into?
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