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I'm currently on an Intel X79 chipset. Should I bounce to the X299? Or save some money and upgrade to an X99 based motherboard?
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    Re: I'm currently on an Intel X79 chipset. Should I bounce to the X299 or save on an X99? 2017/07/16 18:08:45 (permalink)
    What CPU do you have now?
    What do use the computer for?
    What is your budget?
    Some more info may give people a better idea as to help you.
    Just some food for thought.
    If you have a quad core now, there are cheap used server pulls on Ebay E-1650 hexcore CPUs for 75$
    They are multiplier and BCLK unlocked and they overclock very well. They are like the i7-3960K CPU 6 core 12 threads.
    I have a few of these running and they crunch BOINC very well, running at 4,5ghz 1.33v  Run fairly cool too low mid 50c 100% load, AIO cooler.
    There are E5-2670 8 core and 16 threads for just over 100$
    That may hold you over for a while.
    My E5-1650 and GTX1080 play every game I throw at it high/ultra setting no problem.

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    Re: I'm currently on an Intel X79 chipset. Should I bounce to the X299 or save on an X99? 2017/07/16 18:23:24 (permalink)
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    What CPU do you have now?
    What do use the computer for?
    What is your budget?
    Some more info may give people a better idea as to help you.
    Just some food for thought.
    If you have a quad core now, there are cheap used server pulls on Ebay E-1650 hexcore CPUs for 75$
    They are multiplier and BCLK unlocked and they overclock very well. They are like the i7-3960K CPU 6 core 12 threads.
    I have a few of these running and they crunch BOINC very well, running at 4,5ghz 1.33v  Run fairly cool too low mid 50c 100% load, AIO cooler.
    There are E5-2670 8 core and 16 threads for just over 100$
    That may hold you over for a while.
    My E5-1650 and GTX1080 play every game I throw at it high/ultra setting no problem.




    I really only Game online, Youtubing, iTunes and very light photo editing. I was researching online that even some X99A Motherboards would support my current CPU and memory is that true? I don't design graphics or video edit. How will this move even wow me over? Would it better to go with an X99A motherboard and get a little bit of a performance upgrade? 
     
    CPU: Intel Core i7-4960X Extreme Edition 3.6GHz /Turbo Boost 4GHz
    Budget: I'm selling the following used parts on eBay maybe? Intel 4960x, MSI BigBang X79, Corsair Dominator 2400MHz Quad Channel 16GB
    Video Cards: NVIDIA SLI Titan X Maxwell
    Monitor: Acer Predator X34 Gaming Monitor with NVIDIA G-Sync 100Hz
    5X Corsair SSD
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    Re: I'm currently on an Intel X79 chipset. Should I bounce to the X299 or save on an X99? 2017/07/16 18:31:00 (permalink)
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    Re: I'm currently on an Intel X79 chipset. Should I bounce to the X299 or save on an X99? 2017/07/16 18:41:09 (permalink)
    You have a very nice system right now, hexcore Ivybridge.
    That would be a E5-1660 V2 xeon, I have one of those too, it does not OC as well as my V1s for some reason.
    You would not gain anything by going xeon over what you have, I did not know if you had the hexcore or not, why I asked.
    I am not sure about the 2011v3 x99 board running older Sandy/Ivy bridge CPUs. I haven't heard that my self.
     
    You feel you are being held back? Or just have the upgrade bug?
    Myself I don't think the new systems offer enough performance increase for me to upgrade.
    I have a Haswell quadcore, I am not impressed. Going to wait for a while and see what comes out and if AMD can make Intel drop prices.
     
    I will say x79 boards are selling for good money, and that CPU will bring in a good dollar.
    So if you do sell you will do ok.
    Good luck!!

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    Re: I'm currently on an Intel X79 chipset. Should I bounce to the X299 or save on an X99? 2017/07/16 19:28:57 (permalink)
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    You have a very nice system right now, hexcore Ivybridge.
    That would be a E5-1660 V2 xeon, I have one of those too, it does not OC as well as my V1s for some reason.
    You would not gain anything by going xeon over what you have, I did not know if you had the hexcore or not, why I asked.
    I am not sure about the 2011v3 x99 board running older Sandy/Ivy bridge CPUs. I haven't heard that my self.
     
    You feel you are being held back? Or just have the upgrade bug?
    Myself I don't think the new systems offer enough performance increase for me to upgrade.
    I have a Haswell quadcore, I am not impressed. Going to wait for a while and see what comes out and if AMD can make Intel drop prices.
     
    I will say x79 boards are selling for good money, and that CPU will bring in a good dollar.
    So if you do sell you will do ok.
    Good luck!!




    Yes, just an itch to upgrade while my current hardware has some value retained in it. Technology is a rinse and repeat process. They don't retain tons of their value so you should sell off what you have and make use of the funds to upgrade to the next level gen hardware.
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    Re: I'm currently on an Intel X79 chipset. Should I bounce to the X299 or save on an X99? 2017/07/16 19:48:52 (permalink)
    X299 sounds awesome, however, X79 does do pretty well overall still, the CPUs are not where the huge gains have been, the huge gains have been from the PCH side, X99 was way better than X79, frankly, X79 had some interesting personality quirks to say the least, as well as some underwhelming SATA and USB performance, if you aren't doing huge CPU load type things, the biggest gains will come from the PCH and maybe memory sections.
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    Re: I'm currently on an Intel X79 chipset. Should I bounce to the X299 or save on an X99? 2017/07/16 19:56:13 (permalink)
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    X299 sounds awesome, however, X79 does do pretty well overall still, the CPUs are not where the huge gains have been, the huge gains have been from the PCH side, X99 was way better than X79, frankly, X79 had some interesting personality quirks to say the least, as well as some underwhelming SATA and USB performance, if you aren't doing huge CPU load type things, the biggest gains will come from the PCH and maybe memory sections.




    Yes, I want to upgrade to an X99 because I know in real world performance I will not see any huge gains in gaming. I can upgrade the motherboard and memory for a little over $200. Then once the CPU sells I can go for an 6900K or 6950X and call it a day! :) That alone is over kill. Also my Titan X SLI Maxwell still performs great. I'm not interested in 4K I love the 3440X1440p it hits the sweet spot for gaming!
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    Re: I'm currently on an Intel X79 chipset. Should I bounce to the X299 or save on an X99? 2017/07/16 20:11:13 (permalink)
    I really don't overclock and my stuff runs blazing fast so the minor upgrade will be the right time before my current hardware drops in value for less.
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    Re: I'm currently on an Intel X79 chipset. Should I bounce to the X299 or save on an X99? 2017/07/16 20:25:31 (permalink)
    X58 and x79 motherboards are holding their value because of the cheap hexcore xeons on ebay. 125 up to 250+
    An EVGA x58 classified3 just sold for 250$ and the one before it sold for 300$
    Asus Sabertooth x79 will sell for over 200$Most x79 will sell for 175+
     
    Believe it or not, I just bought 5 NOS Asus P9X79 WS/IPMI boards for 900$ They sell for around 300$ each still, I got a good deal.
    I bought 5, E1650 hexcores for 75$ each. Plus I have 2 other x79, one Sabertooth and one x79 Classified. They have the E5-1650V2
    Overclock them to 4.5ghz with a GTX980Ti or better, they work great for what I do.
    I also have several dual socket 2011 E5-2670, several dual LGA1366 and a couple quad socket AMD servers. Few 1366 x58 dual sockets.
    Some people collect cars, guitars, nicknacks, I collect computers!!!
     
    I heat my house in the Winter with computers running Folding at home and crunching BOINC. 350+ cores, several 980Ti GTX1080

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    Re: I'm currently on an Intel X79 chipset. Should I bounce to the X299 or save on an X99? 2017/07/16 20:36:29 (permalink)
    I am going to get one of these working in my x79 Sabertooth with an adapter. It is ANCI based so it will be a boot drive.
    Samsung 950pro or the OEM 951 have the legacy ANCI ( I believe the term is ANCI} either way it is fast!!
     
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/PM951-NVME-256GB-2280-M-2-NGFF-SSD-PCI-Express-X4-MZVLV256HCHP-OEM-/142447348206?epid=604585375&hash=item212a8609ee:g:zdYAAOSwqVBZa3Wv
     
    Anyway good luck with your build, if I had room I would make you an offer, but I am maxed out.
    Going to sell some x58 boards, only because the x79 has AVX and x58 does not.

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    Re: I'm currently on an Intel X79 chipset. Should I bounce to the X299 or save on an X99? 2017/07/16 21:33:38 (permalink)
    I have the X79 Dark with the i7-4960X CPU (GEN3) and 32GB of Memory running Rock Solid and do not plan on replacing it with the X299.
    If I have to replace before the end of this year it would be with the X99 FTW MB, if next Spring maybe I would replace it with an X299.
    This is my Primary Gaming Computer with the Two EVGA GTX Titans down from Three.
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    Re: I'm currently on an Intel X79 chipset. Should I bounce to the X299 or save on an X99? 2017/07/16 22:18:51 (permalink)
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    I have the X79 Dark with the i7-4960X CPU (GEN3) and 32GB of Memory running Rock Solid and do not plan on replacing it with the X299.
    If I have to replace before the end of this year it would be with the X99 FTW MB, if next Spring maybe I would replace it with an X299.
    This is my Primary Gaming Computer with the Two EVGA GTX Titans down from Three.


     
    Sounds great mate! And there's nothing utilizing 80% or 90% of the hardware from a software prospective because developers are so far behind. Even my Titan X Maxwell SLI setup technology hasn't experienced any lag unless it's coming from resent buggy NVIDIA drivers . I love future next gen hardware but I stopped buying into the hype because I never saw any real world performance other then a small margin of performance gain like 10% 12% not even worth the upgrade for my setup. People will waste their money all the time just because they can I guess. I've become an educated user on Intel's technology road map. X99 is where I'm heading soon. I'm just wondering what you think about keeping the same processor and installing it on an X99-A compatible motherboard? Have you heard of this being setup before? I think it can be done which in turn would allow for me to keep my memory and cpu. Here's the link tell me what you think? LINK: http://www.game-debate.com/motherboard/index.php?mot_id=3610&cpuList=MSI%20X99A%20GAMING%207
     
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    Re: I'm currently on an Intel X79 chipset. Should I bounce to the X299 or save on an X99? 2017/07/16 22:20:52 (permalink)
    bill1024
    I am going to get one of these working in my x79 Sabertooth with an adapter. It is ANCI based so it will be a boot drive.
    Samsung 950pro or the OEM 951 have the legacy ANCI ( I believe the term is ANCI} either way it is fast!!
     
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/PM951-NVME-256GB-2280-M-2-NGFF-SSD-PCI-Express-X4-MZVLV256HCHP-OEM-/142447348206?epid=604585375&hash=item212a8609ee:g:zdYAAOSwqVBZa3Wv
     
    Anyway good luck with your build, if I had room I would make you an offer, but I am maxed out.
    Going to sell some x58 boards, only because the x79 has AVX and x58 does not.




    What does this do for the user?
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    Re: I'm currently on an Intel X79 chipset. Should I bounce to the X299 or save on an X99? 2017/07/16 22:31:20 (permalink)
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    I have the X79 Dark with the i7-4960X CPU (GEN3) and 32GB of Memory running Rock Solid and do not plan on replacing it with the X299.
    If I have to replace before the end of this year it would be with the X99 FTW MB, if next Spring maybe I would replace it with an X299.
    This is my Primary Gaming Computer with the Two EVGA GTX Titans down from Three.


     
    Sounds great mate! And there's nothing utilizing 80% or 90% of the hardware from a software prospective because developers are so far behind. Even my Titan X Maxwell SLI setup technology hasn't experienced any lag unless it's coming from resent buggy NVIDIA drivers . I love future next gen hardware but I stopped buying into the hype because I never saw any real world performance other then a small margin of performance gain like 10% 12% not even worth the upgrade for my setup. People will waste their money all the time just because they can I guess. I've become an educated user on Intel's technology road map. X99 is where I'm heading soon. I'm just wondering what you think about keeping the same processor and installing it on an X99-A compatible motherboard? Have you heard of this being setup before? I think it can be done which in turn would allow for me to keep my memory and cpu. Here's the link tell me what you think? LINK: http://www.game-debate.com/motherboard/index.php?mot_id=3610&cpuList=MSI%20X99A%20GAMING%207
     


    No I have never heard of anyone installing a i7-4960X X79 Chipset based CPU on an X99 Chipset and Socket before.
    Plus using DDR3 Memory in a DDR4 Slot? This seems to be a little out their.
    I do not have a login to see any info
     
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    Re: I'm currently on an Intel X79 chipset. Should I bounce to the X299 or save on an X99? 2017/07/16 22:45:17 (permalink)
    I just looked at the Asus x99-A board, the CPU list does not have the i7-3930K or 4930k (v1/V2 CPUs listed.)
    It lists V3 and V4 CPUs  the i7-5820 and better. It is a socket 2011V3, the older boards are just LGA 2011
    I would like to see the site that says it will be compatible.
     
    Why just change the MB and not get a newer CPU?
    What will you gain that you can not get with an add on PCIE card?
     
    https://www.asus.com/us/M...X99-A-II/HelpDesk_CPU/

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    Re: I'm currently on an Intel X79 chipset. Should I bounce to the X299 or save on an X99? 2017/07/17 17:39:29 (permalink)
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    I just looked at the Asus x99-A board, the CPU list does not have the i7-3930K or 4930k (v1/V2 CPUs listed.)
    It lists V3 and V4 CPUs  the i7-5820 and better. It is a socket 2011V3, the older boards are just LGA 2011
    I would like to see the site that says it will be compatible.
     
    Why just change the MB and not get a newer CPU?
    What will you gain that you can not get with an add on PCIE card?
     
    https://www.asus.com/us/M...X99-A-II/HelpDesk_CPU/


    There won't be any sites (worth anything more than BS anyway) that will say that, as they aren't compatible. Having bought that actual motherboard, I did look into the 2011 specs in general. 
     
    But this should sum it up nicely... http://www.anandtech.com/show/7773/intels-three-versions-of-socket-2011-not-compatible
     
    Not sure what the OP is hoping for... better performance in games? in workload?
     
    If my 5820k and x99-a didn't fry itself along with a Titan X Maxwell (actually, the RMA replacement for it might also be dead)... I would still be rocking it for a few more years. Actually, better example would be my i7-930 + GTX 480 I was rocking before it for 4.5 yrs.
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    Re: I'm currently on an Intel X79 chipset. Should I bounce to the X299 or save on an X99? 2017/07/18 15:20:34 (permalink)
    OP if you go x99, I have a Rampage 10 and a 6850k. I can tell you, it was huge upgrade from MSI x79. The biggest being the m.2.

    I purchased everything used save the board. If you don't buy retail, you can save hundreds for a system that out performs the x79
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    Re: I'm currently on an Intel X79 chipset. Should I bounce to the X299 or save on an X99? 2017/07/19 05:55:30 (permalink)
    I pulled the trigger and purchased an MSI X299 Gaming Pro Carbon AC MB. I only use EVGA for their video card lineup. This build will be in slow mode because I'll have to wait for the top end hardware like performance memory and processor to drop in price. I normally purchase used/OEM never retail on most electronics / hardware anyway to save money. So I passed on the X99 and went future proof with something better.
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    Re: I'm currently on an Intel X79 chipset. Should I bounce to the X299 or save on an X99? 2017/07/19 05:57:05 (permalink)
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    OP if you go x99, I have a Rampage 10 and a 6850k. I can tell you, it was huge upgrade from MSI x79. The biggest being the m.2.

    I purchased everything used save the board. If you don't buy retail, you can save hundreds for a system that out performs the x79



    What is with all the hype on M2? What is the purpose of it?
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    Re: I'm currently on an Intel X79 chipset. Should I bounce to the X299 or save on an X99? 2017/07/19 05:58:30 (permalink)
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    I just looked at the Asus x99-A board, the CPU list does not have the i7-3930K or 4930k (v1/V2 CPUs listed.)
    It lists V3 and V4 CPUs  the i7-5820 and better. It is a socket 2011V3, the older boards are just LGA 2011
    I would like to see the site that says it will be compatible.
     
    Why just change the MB and not get a newer CPU?
    What will you gain that you can not get with an add on PCIE card?
     
    https://www.asus.com/us/M...X99-A-II/HelpDesk_CPU/




    Correct, the website was not correct with LGA2011 for the Intel X99 
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    Re: I'm currently on an Intel X79 chipset. Should I bounce to the X299 or save on an X99? 2017/07/19 09:52:06 (permalink)
    M.2 and other, faster, storage solutions integrated into the boards would be the major advantage to upgrading to X99 or X299 over the X79.  X99 you will have the better price to performance.  X299 will offer marginal gains at a relatively higher price margin between entry level options and performance options.  PCIe lanes are key for running multi GPUs and PCIe based storage.  So if that $999 price barrier for the 44 PCIe lanes on X299 is out of the ball park you would be best suited on X99 where the entry of 40 PCIe lanes is more around the $400-600 mark unless you go into the used Xeon market.  Best bang for buck CPU for gaming would probably be a Xeon 1620v3 or 1630v3 as they are Hyper threaded quad cores like a 1151 I7 but have 40 PCIe lanes to run those multi GPUs and storage solutions but are cheaper than many of the X99 i7 six core offerings.
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    Re: I'm currently on an Intel X79 chipset. Should I bounce to the X299 or save on an X99? 2017/07/19 14:30:55 (permalink)
    I ordered Intel's Core i7-7820X X-Series 3.6 GHz 8-Core CPU to power my MSI Carbon Pro X299 My other question is how does M.2 PCI-E help with gaming performance? Can anyone break this down? Doesn't the video cards and an SSD do that for the user? Why M.2 technology?
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    Re: I'm currently on an Intel X79 chipset. Should I bounce to the X299 or save on an X99? 2017/08/05 15:37:18 (permalink)
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    I ordered Intel's Core i7-7820X X-Series 3.6 GHz 8-Core CPU to power my MSI Carbon Pro X299 My other question is how does M.2 PCI-E help with gaming performance? Can anyone break this down? Doesn't the video cards and an SSD do that for the user? Why M.2 technology?


    NVME (PCIE) game load times aren't helped over what a good quality SSD can give you - https://hardforum.com/threads/nvme-m-2-ram-drive-raid-sata-iii-ssd-game-load-time-comparisons.1911914/ 
    Scroll to the bottom of my first post for more professional results.
     
    Since seek times are essentially the same between a SSD and a M.2 NVME PCIE (or SATA m.2) drive, in game performance should be the same, given the EXACT same CPU, motherboard, RAM, CPU/GPU speeds, GPU, software, etc. A CPU with faster single core performance can increase game load times a little compared to older hardware.
     
    EDIT: Game load times might be better if your SSD didn't support TRIM (hence the quality qualifier), or if there were other issues with your computer (software (windows, or other programs loaded that slow things down) or hardware (not quite stable overclock, etc)).
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    Re: I'm currently on an Intel X79 chipset. Should I bounce to the X299 or save on an X99? 2017/08/08 18:40:31 (permalink)
    Definately don't get an NVMe drive for gaming, as NVMe drives can cause massive stutter/framedrops in games.

    My Intel 750 NVMe drive makes games like Ghost Recon: Wildlands completely unplayable if installed on it
    (stutter only went away when i moved the game to a regular sata SSD).


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    Re: I'm currently on an Intel X79 chipset. Should I bounce to the X299 or save on an X99? 2017/08/08 18:43:38 (permalink)
    SuperConker
    Definately don't get an NVMe drive for gaming, as NVMe drives can cause massive stutter/framedrops in games.

    My Intel 750 NVMe drive makes games like Ghost Recon: Wildlands completely unplayable if installed on it
    (stutter only went away when i moved the game to a regular sata SSD).

    That's interesting. You sure your drive doesn't have a problem?
     
     
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    CSN7
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    Re: I'm currently on an Intel X79 chipset. Should I bounce to the X299 or save on an X99? 2017/08/08 18:49:32 (permalink)
    SuperConker
    Definately don't get an NVMe drive for gaming, as NVMe drives can cause massive stutter/framedrops in games.

    My Intel 750 NVMe drive makes games like Ghost Recon: Wildlands completely unplayable if installed on it
    (stutter only went away when i moved the game to a regular sata SSD).

    Are you sure? I mean I have never heard about things like that... wouldn't there be more of an outcry about it, if it would be a common thing? maybe it was just the intel 750 causing it, or whatever else.
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    Re: I'm currently on an Intel X79 chipset. Should I bounce to the X299 or save on an X99? 2017/08/09 06:33:14 (permalink)
    SuperConker
    Definately don't get an NVMe drive for gaming, as NVMe drives can cause massive stutter/framedrops in games.

    My Intel 750 NVMe drive makes games like Ghost Recon: Wildlands completely unplayable if installed on it
    (stutter only went away when i moved the game to a regular sata SSD).


    You definitely have a drive problem. I play Wildlands all day long not literally with no issues on my Samsung 960 M.2 installed directly on the board. Windows 10 Pro 64 bit installed.




     
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    Re: I'm currently on an Intel X79 chipset. Should I bounce to the X299 or save on an X99? 2017/08/09 08:47:27 (permalink)
    SuperConker
    Definately don't get an NVMe drive for gaming, as NVMe drives can cause massive stutter/framedrops in games.

    My Intel 750 NVMe drive makes games like Ghost Recon: Wildlands completely unplayable if installed on it
    (stutter only went away when i moved the game to a regular sata SSD).



    sounds like a personal problem. NVMe SSDs are proven and work just fine.

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    Re: I'm currently on an Intel X79 chipset. Should I bounce to the X299 or save on an X99? 2017/08/15 18:46:57 (permalink)
    There's almost no savings switching to x99, I was thinking about it but 6950x is still $1500 (beyond all reason) and the Micro 2 (Why EVGA? still a top notch board) is no longer available. Obviously there's other build options but those are the core parts I'd want to use. Very disappointing. 
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