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Re: Hydro Copper
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Re: Hydro Copper
2020/09/03 12:44:15
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vulcan1978
Again, there is no FE this time around.
https://www.nvidia.com/en-gb/geforce/graphics-cards/30-series/?nvid=nv-int-cwmfg-64629#cid=gf73_nv-int-cwmfg_en-gb
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I see it now, first instance I've seen it called the Founders Edition, thanks. And god damn, Nvidia really hit one out of the park with the cooler design this time around, that is just, breathtaking, and functional. If I wasn't putting it under a water block I would be going with FE, nothing else compares to this, nothing even comes close, everything else just looks cheap and "gamery".
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Re: Hydro Copper
2020/09/03 16:48:58
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And god damn, Nvidia really hit one out of the park with the cooler design this time around, that is just, breathtaking, and functional. If I wasn't putting it under a water block I would be going with FE, nothing else compares to this, nothing even comes close, everything else just looks cheap and "gamery".
It looks like they really focused on the air cooler design this time around. It does look nice and really curious how it performs. On paper it looks immaculate. Bottom fan blowing air in to cool the core/VRAM/VRM(?) and venting it out the rear almost instantaneously through the enlarged I/O open panels while the top fan exhausts air above the GPU to the rear case fan to send it all out. I mean how do you not love this?! Now that's how air cooling should have been done a while back!  I would also be really curious how well this cooler would perform in a SLI sandwich configuration. Mind you this doesn't matter to me but really happy to see an improvement for the many that still enjoy air cooling their rigs.
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Re: Hydro Copper
2020/09/04 22:09:50
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@ EVGA / Jacob
If you could please keep us posted on the 3090 Hydro Copper I'm very curious on the release date. If you think it's going to be a really really long time, I can go the reference / EK route like I did with the 10 series, but I'd prefer to buy the EVGA Hydro Copper if it won't take too long post launch. Thanks very much.
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Re: Hydro Copper
2020/09/24 10:03:03
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@ EVGA / Jacob
If you could please keep us posted on the 3090 Hydro Copper I'm very curious on the release date. If you think it's going to be a really really long time, I can go the reference / EK route like I did with the 10 series, but I'd prefer to buy the EVGA Hydro Copper if it won't take too long post launch. Thanks very much.
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Re: Hydro Copper
2020/09/24 10:06:29
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i was considering the AIO version of the 3090 nit might just build a custom loop given all the new water cooling stuff that's out there now..
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Re: Hydro Copper
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Re: Hydro Copper
2020/09/25 20:15:38
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EKs block is coming mid-october and without a backplate. Hoping Hydro Copper is the better choice.
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Re: Hydro Copper
2020/09/25 20:17:39
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Xaelias
First real look at the first EK block.
Obviously no word yet on compatibility with anything else than reference PCB.
Comes without a backplate
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Re: Hydro Copper
2020/09/25 23:11:02
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... but you can buy a backplate from EK. It costs money. But besides that what is the problem?
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Re: Hydro Copper
2020/09/25 23:48:06
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So going the EK route would be more expensive
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Re: Hydro Copper
2020/09/25 23:56:05
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Yes, correct. But it always is: buying a Hydro Copper from EVGA you a paying for the block, but you are not paying for an air cooler that you don't use. By getting an air cooler, you pay for it, but you are not using that. At least you can reinstall the air cooler if you want to see it. And a large audience is ready to buy used air cooled cards.
As regards the EK: their product page states that they have modified their design from the 2000 series to the 3000 series. They are using thicker copper blocks in order to reach deep set components (past tall ones) and contact more hot components for active cooling. According to their marketing anyways, maybe it is a lie. There would be a bit more material cost, but significant extra machining time. Regardless of their explanation prices have been jacked up again.
What I would say in EK's defence is that their 2000 coolers worked very well. I own one for my 2080 Ti. Many users on this forum complain of poor performance of EVGA's Hydro Copper block. It used a much simpler to machine heat engine, compared to EK. And I imagine EVGA will not change the heat engine on the 3000 series Hydro Coppers.
I would be very happy if they did modernise it, but... well... let's see.
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Re: Hydro Copper
2020/09/26 00:54:09
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The Hydro Copper cards look great.
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Re: Hydro Copper
2020/09/26 01:19:57
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There's like zero need for a watercooler if you're not going to OC right?
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Re: Hydro Copper
2020/09/26 02:03:48
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Right. And to be honest there is zero need to water cooler *** EVEN IF *** you overclock.
What water-cooling does is it allows you to run components cooler (which may or may not allow an improved overclock... probably not in the case of Ampere where bios power limits are quickly reached, without shunt mods) and have an overall quieter system.
For example my overclocked 2080 Ti has a custom loop all to itself (no CPU) with a D5 pump and a 560 thick radiator in push / pull. The pump is at 50% and the fans at 400rpm and it runs at 40-43 deg C. It is not totally silent. But almost. In comparison an air-cooled card would have fans running at 1800-2000 rpm and the card would run much hotter.
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Re: Hydro Copper
2020/09/26 02:21:53
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Interesting to hang on these forums. I had never heard of a waterblock, or any kind of block before. Very cool stuff.
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Re: Hydro Copper
2020/09/27 03:35:45
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Yes, correct. But it always is: buying a Hydro Copper from EVGA you a paying for the block, but you are not paying for an air cooler that you don't use. By getting an air cooler, you pay for it, but you are not using that. At least you can reinstall the air cooler if you want to see it. And a large audience is ready to buy used air cooled cards.
There are advantages and disadvantages on both. Hydro Copper GPU - Longer Warranty on Hydro Copper block since it's included with the GPU as opposed to buying it separately. Air Cooled GPU + Hydro Copper - You have both coolers so if any issues should arrise, you could swap the other cooler and get back up and running. - Better chances of resale with both coolers versus just having a Hydro Copper GPU for sale. (Agree with you) - Slightly less in cost since you're doing the installation.
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Re: Hydro Copper
2020/09/27 03:50:48
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There's like zero need for a watercooler if you're not going to OC right?
Silence is the other need. I actually have my 2080 Super underclocked and have it on an AIO to keep it whisper quiet. The fans on this original cooler sound like jet engines to me when they fire up under load. But I am more sensitive to fan noise than others I guess.
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Re: Hydro Copper
2020/09/27 04:23:32
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At idle, my water-cooled rig is almost... almost totally silent. At full blast, my rig is... almost totally silent. I say almost totally silent. I am a real noise hound and my hearing is very good. Most people would call it silent. Fans run at 400rpm idle. and c.800-1000 rpm under load. The water-cooling cost quite a lot to set up. But it is there now and will last me multiple builds. And I probably get similar acoustics to the new tower mac pro without the expense of that mac. And my case / water-cooling set up is much, much more upgradable to modern components than said mac pro.
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Re: Hydro Copper
2020/09/27 04:33:24
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agree. silence it the best application for me. I'll never go back to air cooled with my custom setup.
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Re: Hydro Copper
2020/09/29 13:07:50
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Interesting to hang on these forums. I had never heard of a waterblock, or any kind of block before. Very cool stuff.
Watercooling my GPUs was the best idea I've had. My balls don't get sweaty when gaming and I hit 48-50C max under 1440p games. I overclocked my 1070Ti Hybrid to over 2 Ghz And it runs cool. I hated using my old 780 that cooked my bedroom up like a furnace. Hybrid cards are the way to go if you like Watercooling done for you. This will be my first time installing a waterblock myself for the 3080. Awaiting my EK Kit and EVGA to release the blocks.
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Re: Hydro Copper
2020/09/29 13:12:48
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There's like zero need for a watercooler if you're not going to OC right?
Well...noise reduction. I do overclock my cards as far as they'll go, but even if I wasn't, I'd still put a waterblock on them because they run virtually dead silent. I have effectively a quad radiator (a triple and a single) and I have 8 fans total on it but all run on fairly low speed and make almost no noise at all. To some, the noise from the cooling fans isn't a big deal on air-cooled cards or CPUs, but I find it quite annoying, so I always liquid cool both my CPU & GPUs and always will. :)
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Re: Hydro Copper
2020/09/29 13:15:55
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There's like zero need for a watercooler if you're not going to OC right?
There's no need for it, no. But if you enjoy your computer not acting as a giant heat furnace, it disperses a lot less heat out those radiators than a fan blower. It's preference at that point w/o OCing. Mild OC does not even need watercooling fyi
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Re: Hydro Copper
2020/09/29 13:28:34
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adaemus
There's like zero need for a watercooler if you're not going to OC right?
Something else that hasn't been mentioned yet is that the 30 series will boost to higher clock speeds if your temperature stays lower. Even if you don't OC you'd see small gains running the same card under water vs by air. You can also do this by turning your card fan speed up to 100%, but that's too loud to be practical.
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Re: Hydro Copper
2020/09/29 15:09:44
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There's no need for it, no. But if you enjoy your computer not acting as a giant heat furnace, it disperses a lot less heat out those radiators than a fan blower. It's preference at that point w/o OCing.
I am sorry to contradict you, but that is simply NOT true: Water-cooling makes almost no difference to the degree to which your room heats up. The reason for this is that the electrons that are made (by voltage) to move around (current) your GPU and CPU make pretty lights on your monitor by in doing so all that voltage and current = power is converted into heat. The same amount of heat gets generated from the GPU and CPU. With air-cooling you are using smaller heatsinks and fewer, faster spinning fans to dump that heat out of the case into the room. With water-cooling you are transferring heat into the fluid which acts like a "heat capacitor" and stores heat, and you use radiators which are essentially larger heat sinks. And you use more fans - which, because there are more of them - are able to spin much slower. Nearly the same amount of heat gets dumped into your room once the fluid in the loop gets up to a steady temperature. There are minor differences caused by silicon efficiency at low temperatures, but this is offset by extra heat generated by water pumps which is either dumped straight into air in the case (DDC) or dumped into the water (D5).
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Re: Hydro Copper
2020/09/29 15:54:37
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I see a lot of people asking in the stickied thread but no responses.
1. When is the expected launch of hydro copper cards?
2. Are the ports similar to 2080 ti FTW3? on 3090 FTW3?
I can only hope that the hydro copper 3090 is no longer than the 2080 ti FTW, I have about 1mm of clearance to my reservoir lol.
Anyone have any guesses on power consumption? I'm pretty sure my card sucks down 373w peak. Curious what 3090 can do.
Judging by what I see on eVGA's front site, the spacing looks the same as a HC 2080Ti 
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Re: Hydro Copper
2020/09/29 16:58:07
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dominic2189
There's no need for it, no. But if you enjoy your computer not acting as a giant heat furnace, it disperses a lot less heat out those radiators than a fan blower. It's preference at that point w/o OCing.
I am sorry to contradict you, but that is simply NOT true:
Water-cooling makes almost no difference to the degree to which your room heats up. The reason for this is that the electrons that are made (by voltage) to move around (current) your GPU and CPU make pretty lights on your monitor by in doing so all that voltage and current = power is converted into heat. The same amount of heat gets generated from the GPU and CPU.
With air-cooling you are using smaller heatsinks and fewer, faster spinning fans to dump that heat out of the case into the room.
With water-cooling you are transferring heat into the fluid which acts like a "heat capacitor" and stores heat, and you use radiators which are essentially larger heat sinks. And you use more fans - which, because there are more of them - are able to spin much slower.
Nearly the same amount of heat gets dumped into your room once the fluid in the loop gets up to a steady temperature.
There are minor differences caused by silicon efficiency at low temperatures, but this is offset by extra heat generated by water pumps which is either dumped straight into air in the case (DDC) or dumped into the water (D5).
+1 Well said.
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Re: Hydro Copper
2020/09/29 17:31:02
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There's like zero need for a watercooler if you're not going to OC right?
Zero need? TEMPS! I run 26 idle and about 45 under load, PLUS I don't have to listen to fans, I'd NEVER not water cool, it's just so much better in my opinion 
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Re: Hydro Copper
2020/09/29 17:39:11
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If you don't mind, can you tell me what cpu block, tubes and fitting you used?
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Re: Hydro Copper
2020/09/29 17:55:36
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I have AC in my home. My gaming room is always nice and soothing. Air, water, no matter
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